What's the deal with Chi?

Okay, I'm a man of science and will always favor it over spirituality because it can be proven. I realise the latter is a hot topic and many religious people live by it, but I think it's mostly hype. However, the more I see Shaolin monks in action, the more I believe that Chi is real and impossible to prove scientifically. They can accomplish things that would kill any normal human instantly. The video below is perhaps one of the most impressive feats I have seen so far. The monk is clearly applying lots of pressure to the drill and, well, it's just nuts:



Then there is this guy who is also quite impressive but extremely camera shy and very reluctant to film his methods. Of the few pieces of film that were captured, I'm quite impressed:



Just curious to hear other people's thoughts on Chi.

originally posted by: Sharted
Okay, I'm a man of science and will always favor it over spirituality because it can be proven. I realise the latter is a hot topic and many religious people live by it, but I think it's mostly hype. However, the more I see Shaolin monks in action, the more I believe that Chi is real and impossible to prove scientifically. They can accomplish things that would kill any normal human instantly. The video below is perhaps one of the most impressive feats I have seen so far. The monk is clearly applying lots of pressure to the drill and, well, it's just nuts:

Then there is this guy who is also quite impressive but extremely camera shy and very reluctant to film his methods. Of the few pieces of film that were captured, I'm quite impressed:

Just curious to hear other people's thoughts on Chi.

I don't know anything considering the validity of chi but I know it's possible for people to have DNA that differs in a way it seems super human.

*edit*
I assume the one guy has more elastic skin than usual people. The other guy probably stores more electricity than normal because of a gene as well. I don't know.

originally posted by: Sharted
Okay, I'm a man of science and will always favor it over spirituality because it can be proven. I realise the latter is a hot topic and many religious people live by it, but I think it's mostly hype. However, the more I see Shaolin monks in action, the more I believe that Chi is real and impossible to prove scientifically. They can accomplish things that would kill any normal human instantly. The video below is perhaps one of the most impressive feats I have seen so far. The monk is clearly applying lots of pressure to the drill and, well, it's just nuts:

No that's not clear at all. I don't think he's applying much pressure. The stomach and throat deflect pretty easily with little pressure, and the drill bit is probably dull. I've drilled holes in wood with a dull drill bit that wouldn't cut my skin before, this doesn't require any Chi. I was actually more impressed by the sledgehammer on the back thing than a drill but I couldn't see what was under his pants that those spikes were resting on.

Then there is this guy who is also quite impressive but extremely camera shy and very reluctant to film his methods. Of the few pieces of film that were captured, I'm quite impressed:

If the multimeter says it's electricity, and the man says it's not electricity, it's Chi, I go with the multimeter. The human nervous system is operated with electricity and some humans have demonstrated unusual capabilities relative to the electrical operation of their body. While some of these demonstrations are remarkable, I haven't seen anything that seems to be evidence of "Chi", unless Chi is another word for electricity in the second video.

By the way, here's the scientific explanation for a common "chi" demonstration:

Chi energy revealed!


This guy explains how to defeat his grand master Chi knockdown punch by holding your tongue a certain way in your mouth, or by wiggling your big toes, which sounds like complete nonsense. His technique is probably based on some kind of hypnosis and apparently only works on people who believe it/can be hypnotized:

Chi Debunked

I'm not sure how to embed a video, but here. This guy does a guided session that helps you feel chi. I also have a couple books on how to manipulate chi.... But I've been slacking, but here
www.youtube.com...

If the multimeter says it's electricity, and the man says it's not electricity, it's Chi, I go with the multimeter. The human nervous system is operated with electricity and some humans have demonstrated unusual capabilities relative to the electrical operation of their body. While some of these demonstrations are remarkable, I haven't seen anything that seems to be evidence of "Chi", unless Chi is another word for electricity in the second video.

The thing is, there were no readings if you listen to the video. That's what they couldn't figure out. People were getting shocked but no readings were detected on their meters.....As for the drill being blunt - they show you it drilling through a bit of wood with ease. Just a small piece but still much thicker than human skin! I sure as hell wouldn't try to put a drill through my head, no matter how blunt the bit is, would you?

originally posted by: A1nth0ny
I'm not sure how to embed a video, but here. This guy does a guided session that helps you feel chi. I also have a couple books on how to manipulate chi.... But I've been slacking, but here
www.youtube.com...

You just paste the part of the video URL after "v=", like so:

chi is not religious, you misunderstand it that first video is a 'chi' trick and i can't be bothered to watch the second one. i've seen and experienced the real stuff. there is more to this world and reality science has yet to learn.

originally posted by: Sharted
The thing is, there were no readings if you listen to the video. That's what they couldn't figure out. People were getting shocked but no readings were detected on their meters.....As for the drill being blunt - they show you it drilling through a bit of wood with ease. Just a small piece but still much thicker than human skin! I sure as hell wouldn't try to put a drill through my head, no matter how blunt the bit is, would you?

But he didn't try. I say some indentation on his stomach and throat which as I said don't take much pressure to deflect, but I didn't see much indentation on his temple.

Why would I want to try to drill holes in myself? Maybe if I was doing a magic show to impress people which is mostly what a lot of Chi demonstrations seem to be.

I will try my best but Chi does not go well with science simply because science does not believe and therefore has no nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs to describe it.

For those that do know how to manipulate Chi, please skip the following, trying to describe it is as difficult as.

Chi is your internal energy. You may want to think of it as, sort of, your emotional energy. It can be manipulated and if you are starting out, try using your imagination to manipulate it.

A monk can change their heart rate at will. You can try this yourself at home. To speed it up, switch your mind to sexual thoughts and it will increase. Think of a calm ocean and it should decrease. At the same time, use your imagination to tell your heart to alter its speed. You need to create new pathways in the brain and this is how you do so.

Anger, calmed and redirected by your imagination can do all sorts of things. The thing is, most people live as slaves to the body, that is the body reacts to situations by throwing all sorts of chemicals into your system to slow down or speed up. Adrenalin is an example and a classic one.

What if you could call upon adrenalin at will, well, using your imagination, you can.

Chi goes much further than this, it is the power of your spirit, your soul, it is the energy field that leaves the body postmortem. This energy can be directly accessed and to start the journey you can start with your imagination. Eventually, you can take direct control but you have to start somewhere.

Sadly, if you do not believe, then you will never consciously control Chi.

The first step on the path to enlightenment is self knowledge, knowing your flaws, your personality and eventually your soul.

You can be controlled by your body or you can control it. It is your choice.

We have all heard and may have seen people do incredible things like lifting a car off a child or sending an attacker crashing to the ground even though their mass is much greater. Chi can and does act spontaneously in some people who simply believe that they must do something. There is no question of if they can, it becomes an imperative, I must therefore I will, and they succeed.

That is the best I can do, perhaps someone wiser than I can offer more.

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a reply to: pheonix358

well said. can't offer words cos umderstanding comes through silemce, experience and practice.

a reply to: taoistguy

I never said Chi was religious. I said religious people are spiritual.

a reply to: pheonix358

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Apparently when in grave danger the human body can call upon superhuman strength. They use muscle power that is normally dormant but Chi can somehow channel this at will. Maybe it's not all muscle power, but muscles are energy so who knows.

@Arbitrageur I just found two videos quickly as examples. Feel free to scrutinize them and call them # if you like, but it wa sonly to highlight my point. It's easy to discredit stuff on a forum yet people who actually practice and believe in Chi are the ones you see on TV. Who should I believe?

originally posted by: Sharted
a reply to: taoistguy

I never said Chi was religious. I said religious people are spiritual.

you said that and that spirituality is unprovem. then you start talking about chi...

a reply to: Sharted

Okay, I'm a man of science and will always favor it over spirituality because it can be proven. I realize the latter is a hot topic and many religious people live by it, but I think it's mostly hype

Chi doesn't really have anything to do with religion, it does but it doesn't. Chi was never mentioned when I went to (Presbyterian) church, it was something I learned about through my Grandma because she was big into Feng Shui.

Chi is our energy & energy can be manipulated. I haven't watched the videos because I do know that people can manipulate energy. I remember watching something several years back about these monks who could levitate when they were deep in meditation. I thought it was so cool & wanted to go live with Monks so I could be at peace with myself.

a reply to: knoledgeispower

Man I wish I never used the word religion now. It seems people are confused about my meaning. Simply put. Religious people are very spiritual by nature. I then said most spirituality is mostly hype (on the religious end i.e. faith healing etc). Notice the word "mostly" was used, I didn't say "all". Then I mention how I am convinced Chi is real. This had nothing to do with religion at all. I was merely saying something about other spiritual things that are bogus.

originally posted by: Sharted
a reply to: knoledgeispower

Man I wish I never used the word religion now. It seems people are confused about my meaning. Simply put. Religious people are very spiritual by nature. I then said most spirituality is mostly hype (on the religious end i.e. faith healing etc). Notice the word "mostly" was used, I didn't say "all". Then I mention how I am convinced Chi is real. This had nothing to do with religion at all. I was merely saying something about other spiritual things that are bogus.

many religious people are not spiritual. and vice versa, you keep equating chi with something spiritual. it is not. your ideas of religion and spirituality are incorrect.

originally posted by: Sharted
a reply to: knoledgeispower

Man I wish I never used the word religion now. It seems people are confused about my meaning. Simply put. Religious people are very spiritual by nature. I then said most spirituality is mostly hype (on the religious end i.e. faith healing etc). Notice the word "mostly" was used, I didn't say "all". Then I mention how I am convinced Chi is real. This had nothing to do with religion at all. I was merely saying something about other spiritual things that are bogus.

Yes you did make a confusing muck of your opening statement & again when you said "I was merely saying something about other spiritual things that are bogus" implying that chi is pertaining to spirituality. Chi doesn't really have anything do spirituality/religion. Some spiritual people & some religious people deal with chi but it's not entirely a spiritual thing.

faith healing, while I would guess 98% are fake, there is some people who can heal. It's again the same principal of manipulating energy. If everyone is made of energy, and some people are able to manipulate it, then healing can occur.

I've seen it happen on a very much smaller scale where it was only temporary relief but it still happened.

I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me - Philippians 4:13

Don't think of Christ as Jesus Christ, instead think of how Jesus tried to teach people how to be more like him, for his way is the right way. It's a state of mind one has to put themselves into before they are fully to access their full potential. That's why Monks can do it, as they spend a lot of time meditating and practicing in order to get themselves into that state of mind.

originally posted by: TheProphetMark
I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me - Philippians 4:13

Don't think of Christ as Jesus Christ, instead think of how Jesus tried to teach people how to be more like him, for his way is the right way. It's a state of mind one has to put themselves into before they are fully to access their full potential. That's why Monks can do it, as they spend a lot of time meditating and practicing in order to get themselves into that state of mind.

This is Christian dogma and really is very off topic. Jesus did not teach Chi, you need the teachings of Buddha for that, assuming you want to wade through all of the crap inserted by pontificating men who added their thoughts on what they thought Buddha may have meant if he was trying to control the masses.

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Chi really isn't hard to understand.

It's one of those things you gotta try for yourself.

Not really something you can explain to others.. only show. It's easy and interactive.

It's a form of meditation in motion. Channeling that energy to flow through your body into the outside world. Fill it with your house, give life to charms and those things dealing with Feng Shui.

It's a thing. A real thing.