REAL COST of OBAMACARE given to me by the Insurance Company!

For the life of me!!

Has no one even considered the final implications?

Most people don't die healthy. What happens then? Liens.

The PPACA is all about taking everything you have AFTER you die.

Why do you think there was such a drive to get everyone 'signed up?'

a reply to: tadaman

Why our Founding Fathers rejected direct democracy and why I would appreciate it if people would stop trying to replace the Republic with it.

The Founding Fathers universally rejected democracy and hoped that posterity would never turn the United States into one. The word they used was “Republic,” which is not synonymous with “Democracy.” The word “Democracy” is not in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. Even the Pledge of Allegiance is “to the Republic for which it stands.”
So why did they reject Democracy? Because it is inherently flawed with the “share the wealth” philosophy, which only works as long as there is someone else’s money to share. Those receiving are quite pleased with getting something for nothing. But those forced to give are denied the right to spend the benefits of their own labor in their own self-interest, which creates jobs no matter how the money is spent. They also lose a portion of their incentive to produce.

Fraser Tyler, author of The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic authored more than 200 years ago said it best. “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

tenthamendmentcenter.com...

originally posted by: IseeThroughYourBS
I hope it hurts the liberal losers who voted for the bum the most. I hope they can't afford it and suffer...after all,they brought it upon themselves.

Your concern for your fellow man is truly heartwarming.

a reply to: Snarl

It's Fundamental Transformation of the Nation, one patient at a time.

For the record, the ACA is NOTHING like the NHS or Canadian healthcare. I feel bad for my American friends because all Obamacare seems to accomplish is to make healthcare more expensive and restrictive than it already was for Americans.

(And I am not saying that Canadian Healthcare is Nirvana. I don't want to yank the discussion off topic with that debate again.)

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Truly.

I am going to end all my healthcare posts the same way until something changes.

This is how I feel about the health care bill. The bill was essentially a gift to the health insurance industry, and industry that is failing to keep first world health available to the common American citizen. With the new law we are now being forced to pay for a defective product.

all in all, OCare is a complete disaster and it was never meant to do anything but enslave everyone to the medical-industrial complex and help people die, and also help bring in more socialism and drive more and more people to dependency on the State, because that is what the NWO is all about, dependency and slavery.

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originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: Snarl

It's Fundamental Transformation of the Nation, one patient at a time.

I agree wrabbit. And, it won't be too far in the distant future where cremation as a method of burial is no longer an option. Land is much too valuable, ask the BLM, to plant us worthless dead ones in.

Des

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
all in all, OCare is a complete disaster and it was never meant to do anything but enslave everyone to the medical-industrial complex and help people die, and also help bring in more socialism and drive more and more people to dependency on the State, because that is what the NWO is all about, dependency and slavery.

I wouldn't give the government that much credit.

It looks a lot more like a bureaucratic government clusterf**k. Only a government committee could take an expensive system that already barely delivers as promised and make it more expensive, provide less service and call it a success.

"The Government" can never provide a product or service as well as the private sector. You don't get $100 of services from $100 of taxes paid. Ever.

a reply to: Leonidas

yes we are enslaved to government bureaucracy and did I not say dependency on the government? I thought that was what I said. Government is in bed with the medical establishment and insurance companies promoted Obamacare when the Democrats were shoving it down our throats with ridiculous statements like, "we just have to pass the bill to find out what's in it". What responsible Congress people act like that? Oh that's right, Congress people who won't subject themselves to the same hideous stuff they subject us to.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

and this is my same response to that.

Different times, different conditions.

When our founding fathers wrote that most people couldnt even read a bible since it was frowned upon still to an extent ....back from when it was outright illegal to do so.

We are an ever increasingly educated people. So what, when we reach a 100% literacy, 80% math comprehension, 70% knowledge of natural sciences, and general complete understanding of psychology and world politics...we still entrust our world to people who may or may not try as hard being that they were born to the right class with access.

No.

Thats when the real revolutions start and society REALLY faces disintegration or adaptation.

Because the state of the average person is the same as it was then and the same concerns are still valid....RIGHT. Why then do we worry to educate and improve our citizens...just to have ever increasing numbers of increasingly angry free men who by their minds discovery face the same fiscal and political slavery as their illiterate peasant ancestors?

And again, either its a purist slave mentality or just pathetic.

You choose what best fits your reasoning.

EDIT TO ADD:
I bet you end all those conversations, like the one going on in this thread with a "well what can you do right?"

EDIT TO ADD more:
because the words of an "expert" will sway the truth in our hearts and minds. Yes. more of the same crap. All of a sudden these handful of men who lived a few hundred years ago get to dictate how human progress and evolution will best be governed. They are "experts" right.

To bad they didnt leave a valid road to gain that expertise for people not born to a certain class with access and not routed in the very tyrannical nature to power that they fought against...and then quietly overthrew after a banking collapse in the new nation (gasp! how original)...to then write the new contract for government behind closed doors.

Yeah I am convinced...nothing more to do here...moving along. The "end all be all" is at work here...I´ll just go lay down and die now.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: Wrabbit2000

NO. WE didn't. THEY did. Those who were naive enough to think the government was going to actually "fix" something, give something away, make something better, gave a damn about somebody DID. In doing so, they have bought the rest of us on a shiite ride that we didn't choose and can't get off of.

THEY. NOT WE. NOT ME.

my Friend, I hear Ya,
I got the card for you, it goes in your wallet or purse in your case.

It's a Shame, Obamacare just hurts the people, Not Help.
It is really a shame, but these cards may actually become more common as the prices for healthcare gets even higher.

a reply to: Xeven

No the ACA was not meant to lower your insurance cost if you work

the Prez told us that OCare would lower premiums. Now everyone's premiums have gone up not down. He lied as sure as the sun comes up.

a reply to: spirit_horse

Yes, true Sticker Shock and it's not going to get any better.
Did she help you with your decision?

I saw the chart in the first post and laughed. It is so obviously different than my experience. My wife's insurance costs dropped from $1100 to $472 per month with the almost the same exact coverage thanks to Obamacare. I have other care. I couldn't read the whole thread with all the overblown rhetoric. Those who trash the ACA for the most part don't understand it and haven't had to deal with insurance before. It has been a good deal for everyone I have talked to. Some could not keep their previous insurance, not because of Obamacare, but because the insurance companies cancelled. Many insurance companies just raised prices and forgot to mention that if a person signed up for Obaamcare the price would go down by about half. There are way too many lies floating around. Obamacare isn't going away anymore than Medicare is going away. It perhaps should be tweaked, but that is a good thing.

a reply to: Orygun

so you may be an exception.

It is well known that each state has different providers. It is also well known and well documented that over all....most people are paying more.

a thumb wasnt made for sun block.....

a reply to: Orygun

Good for you. Seriously. Nobody is saying that it wasn't good for 15 people. But you seem to be saying that those who are bad mouthing Obamacare are lying. Why would they be lying if they did indeed get the deal of a lifetime that was promised? That would be kind of stupid wouldn't it? If everyone was getting the deal you were, then folks wouldn't go around talking about how much it sucks. They would be grateful.

Nobody in their right mind would want to get rid of something if it benefitted them just because of who imposed it.

Well...i always said "Single Payer" is the way to go....just sayin.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: YouSir

That will take us all, together and like minded in so far as at least breaking this cycle of partisan show business.

Ummm...Listen W...I like you.......However...I think you missed the part of my post which stated I Voted for...Neither the red or blue candidate...therefore that negates your partisan comment.......perhaps if you and all the other's on both sides who ..."have seen the light"...had voted third party...like I did...and broken out of that red/blue mold...wouldn't have to consider purple as the only alternative...

Look...I get it...but don't lump me into that "WE" because I did break out of that mold and left the false paradigm...
To be honest...I think your all too entrenched, for your "duality as one" concept to ever bear any fruit...But hey.......prove me wrong...


YouSir

originally posted by: dagann
Well...i always said "Single Payer" is the way to go....just sayin.

It'd be writing a blank check to a system immune from laws dealing with monopolistic, price fixing, price gouging and anti-competive practice supported by federal and state law bought and paid for by medical, pharmaceutical and insurance interests.

Its the failure to address the true causes and driving forces behind the cost of healthcare that's disappointing. As it stands now all we've done is legitimize what amounts to be a crime syndicate, going single payer under these circumstances would be an unmitigated disaster.

Making ALL medical related business subject to legislation such as Sherman Act and the Robinson-Patman Act would be a step in the right direction.

How to Fix the Budget

In the link above Carl Denninger lays out how costs could be reduced by 80% - were this done most would not even have to rely on insurance for routine medical care. In turn since care would be truly affordable government coverage of the poor would be a practical endeavor at reasonable cost to taxpayers.

I view ACA as the fox taking over the chicken house in its grab for power and greed at the expense of American citizens.