the upside down world, or do you love Satan?

Is evil enlightenment?

I have this feeling that anything that is perceived as evil or negative in one's outer world or in one's experience, is for one's own good.

Oppression, depression, paranoia, alienation, rejection, suffering of all kinds, the list of words goes on...

Your adversary is your helper. Madness is creativity and insight. Etc.

When I had my spiritual awakening I had an experience some call Christ consciousness and during it it felt like the world is upside down. All my curses are in fact blessings.

Close in time to this was my awakening to "the conspiracy" and the Jews. Not sure which came first, the conspiracy or the Christ consciousness.

After that I've been a seeker. I've begun to meditate. I feel that all the evil in my outer world is for my enlightenment. The surveillance, TPTB/the conspiracy for example. But I have also begun to wonder if my unloving mother is an upside down phenomenon where my physical mother, like all physical things, is merely a shadow of it's true essence. I have been thinking a lot about the Jews/Israel and I can't help but think that my mother might be to me much like what the Jews are to humanity as a whole. For some reason I find it much easier to forgive politicians, bankers etc. than my mother. But all these things might be a light shone on my inner darkness to show me where to direct my effort in my spiritual work, without which there would be no way to know that. Ever since I started thinking like this and started meditating I have noticed a change in myself. I'm less neurotic and more stable. When my boss is an asshole it doesn't affect me much. I just look at him with compassion.

I believe fearmongers like Alex Jones in a way are "shills" and they work for the establishment. Just like whistleblowers, Bitcoin, and any and all opposition to the establishment. Some of the opposition is sincere and some of it is "controlled opposition". Something like Alex Jones or whistleblowers such as Snowden affect the psychology of the masses in such a way that the sum of that change is a more paranoid, quieter, more conformist people. This of course leads to more power to the already powerful. This is inevitable and ultimately good for everyone because it ultimately enlightens everyone.

Maybe the evil conspiracy is nothing but the light from above?





And a stairway to heaven?


Doesn't that last picture look an awful lot like this:


So do you love Satan?

Thoughts?

Not sure what the purpose of this thread is but it sounds like you are asking if the bad that may come in ones life is really a blessing, and if that is what your asking then yes.

Satan, specifically Lucifer never was evil, just followed a different nature than it's peers.

If you swimming in the ocean and a shark bites your leg off, was it evil or simply following it's natural instinct? There are many entities, some actually evil, most following their natural path of exploration that just so happens to be uncommon to you or I, then with the lack of knowledge regarding said entity, our brains tells us it's evil or "not good" when really its just what the entity does in it's world.

originally posted by: Krystian
Not sure what the purpose of this thread is but it sounds like you are asking if the bad that may come in ones life is really a blessing, and if that is what your asking then yes.

Satan, specifically Lucifer never was evil, just followed a different nature than it's peers.

If you swimming in the ocean and a shark bites your leg off, was it evil or simply following it's natural instinct? There are many entities, some actually evil, most following their natural path of exploration that just so happens to be uncommon to you or I, then with the lack of knowledge regarding said entity, our brains tells us it's evil or "not good" when really its just what the entity does in it's world.

I agree. It's really hard to think outside of the box that is the norms and education we receive since childhood.

OP
funny thing about threads like this
you mention AJ: a fear monger you say?
what the hell was noah then?

satan is just a boogie man for chidren to blame their stolen cookies on
or to blame stolen countries full of dead children on...
either way;
its an attempt at not taking responsibility for one's actions
which in an adult world is upside down...or backwards...or something

If you screw up then you have to fix your screw up:s. Good for you OP that you can see beyond the temporary since all souls are works in progress going from one state to another. I cannot love what some people are right now since they have extreme ego/self/demonic behavioral tendencies that they cannot control vs the ones who seem to have learned a greater control. I myself a mix of both. But I can love what they will become one day when they have fixed what they have broken.

This place might be good for you to evolve spiritually since you will have a lot of heavy spiritual weight to carry that will make your soul strong just like weightlifting makes a physical body stronger. But there is the harmonious ways to evolve to en-light-ment (light/chi flow) where you do not need to have so much external opposite to master to gain control over self.

In one sense some of you are playing a game with a ridiculous hard setting just to gain extreme control over your behavioral tendencies. And then we have the souls who cannot even handle very easy.

originally posted by: Danbones
OP
funny thing about threads like this
you mention AJ: a fear monger you say?
what the hell was noah then?

satan is just a boogie man for chidren to blame their stolen cookies on
or to blame stolen countries full of dead children on...
either way;
its an attempt at not taking responsibility for one's actions
which in an adult world is upside down...or backwards...or something

It really depends on what you want to leave behind. You can see this place as a teaching place where you can learn things and move on, and not really care to much if the place you leaves behind is slanted far towards ego demonic or harmonious divine. If you care then you have to limit the behavior of the insane ones so they can learn a lesson also and not be allowed to cause extreme suffering.

But since people cannot receive the information since they are so doped up on current news/propaganda telling them what is real it will be a race to the bottom again. The current news/propaganda to create problem->solution is a rehash historically to 2nd world war Nazi Germany and the people are to caught up in the manipulation to see thru it.

When it goes to hell again people will wake up and know the insanity of those in power again and act on it or not depending on their morals.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
If you screw up then you have to fix your screw up:s. Good for you OP that you can see beyond the temporary since all souls are works in progress going from one state to another. I cannot love what some people are right now since they have extreme ego/self/demonic behavioral tendencies that they cannot control vs the ones who seem to have learned a greater control. I myself a mix of both. But I can love what they will become one day when they have fixed what they have broken.

Maybe you find this video helpful:



Where I differ from Bashar is that I include "Illuminati" in this, whereas Bashar screams and shouts when the word "Illuminati" is mentioned and wants to shove all related issues under the carpet, an attitude I think helps no one.



I think that your neighbor really is no different from your outer world in general and thus the first video of Bashar ought to include all of your outer world, even TPTB. (which I guess is kind of what he means but still...) In fact, I consider it likely that the more evil a person or group of people, the more they contribute to your enlightenment, and are really more deserving of your love and not less.

This place might be good for you to evolve spiritually since you will have a lot of heavy spiritual weight to carry that will make your soul strong just like weightlifting makes a physical body stronger. But there is the harmonious ways to evolve to en-light-ment (light/chi flow) where you do not need to have so much external opposite to master to gain control over self.

In Judaism they talk about "the path of pain" vs "the path of the Torah". So yes, the enlightenment and liberation can probably be attained to a large extent without suffering. But when you fall astray God comes and kicks you in the butt so that you find the right path in any case.

I don't know if you meditate. If you don't I recommend this book:

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399726189&sr=1-1&keywords=mindful ness+in+plain+english

I also recommend specifically looking into loving kindness meditation. There is a good guided such meditation by Jon Kabat-Zinn that used to be on youtube but seems to only be available for purchase now such as here:

www.amazon.com...=dm_ws_sp_ps_dp

It is the track called Heartscape.

a reply to: introspectionist

..if only it were that simple?

this is all starting to sound a bit like that zeitgeist presentation, where they manage to explain everything away without spending any serious time on subjects like freemasonry, illuminati, the theosophical society & new-age movement, blavatsky, et al (..in the end it all started to smell a bit like socialism)


i think the whole argument(?) can be summarized here?

If you swimming in the ocean and a shark bites your leg off, was it evil or simply following it's natural instinct? There are many entities, some actually evil, most following their natural path of exploration that just so happens to be uncommon to you or I, then with the lack of knowledge regarding said entity, our brains tells us it's evil or "not good" when really its just what the entity does in it's world.

the old chestnut of "we're just animals"
if an entity just "does what it does" then why does something like the ADL exist?
just let the malcontents of the world do what they do, right?
(some more fuel for the OP's jewish conflagration there)
it doesn't work because you're trying to take morals out of the equation
and we all know animals supposedly have no concept of good or evil
(that's why we refer to their actions as neutral or natural)
i say "supposedly" just there because it's usually the same alternative circuit who are the first to wax lyrical about dolphins being good and so on

..are you an animal?
(..can someone also clarify what that "evil shark/evil animal" might be?)
(edit) "evil entity" ..that's what was actually said.. "evil entity" *chuckles* ...anyone care to offer up what one of these evil entities that potentially bite our legs off might be (don't forget that crucial part) these things that aren't *really* evil, y'know, on account of how they're just doin' what they do
..the one who can answer that? might well be the same one who'd admonish the grieving relatives?
"hush, foolish children, your mommy is one with the universe now"

what's the "christ consciousness" then? ...that shark bites your leg off, you end up dying in the ocean and supposedly find yourself floating around in the afterlife *pop* and have some kind of mystic realization that we're all one or something? ..i don't get it? ..i would have to observe the sequence of events as they unfold, if you struggle against the shark and try to preserve yourself it indicates you don't have any real convictions in what you're saying?
i may as well just ask a reader, "do you feed yourself every day in an attempt to stave of starvation?" but i already know the answer to that..

removing morals, concepts of good/evil, right & wrong from the equation while drawing inspiration from the animal kingdom is probably not the way to go.. entire empires can't sidestep that little enigma. good luck

a reply to: UNIT76

I understand what you're saying and it's something I think about a lot. However I believe in mind over matter and God. Of course I don't know how the universe works, what's right and wrong, how various religions are connected, how spirituality and politics are connected etc. But I do believe there is a lot to my hypothesis of the evil in your outer world being for your good, being a light shone on your inner darkness. Mindfulness meditation is to a large extent about this. You sit and are "mindful" and you observe thoughts and emotions in your inner space emerging, floating by, and dying, without judgement. When you do this you see the world and yourself from a different perspective. I'm not advanced in it. I'm just a beginner. But I already see results. I recommend it to everyone.

a reply to: introspectionist

I think religion and satan.. it's all upside down.

I do not think we should believe in anything that is beyond our experience. Only what we experience is real, and we should not draw any conclusions beyond that.

Speculation is what is evil.

a reply to: nOraKat

If that is your view then you'll probably like mindfulness meditation if you haven't already tried it. In the book I linked to the author takes this example; You are sitting in meditation and you hear a sound from the kitchen. When you hear that sound you immediately create a movie in your mind of what produced the sound such as for example someone dropping a dish. Then you have thoughts about whether or not you should react to the sensory input you just received, is there danger etc. Mindfulness is the mental faculty that occurs before any thoughts or emotions. Pure awareness of the sound without judgement, without any emotional labels etc. To stay in that state of pure awareness with no judgement and just observe is the goal of mindfulness meditation.

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399744640&sr=1-1&keywords=mindful ness+in+plain+english

Funny that I seem to get very few stars nowadays, any degree of
ostracization fits well with this topic and is something I'm quite used to...

What jews are to humanity? What about everyone else? I find it hard to believe in things that I've never seen any evidence of. I'm funny that way.

a reply to: introspectionist

Depends on you definition of meditation. I have ways to connect to source and exchange information. If you need a ego demonic environment to become en-light-ened then that is your route.

I can evolve on a planet without insane ego demonic behavioral tendencies from a birth amnesia to source activation with harmonic spiritual guidance. So your route of ego demonic behavioral tendencies to grow spiritually is not my road and are in fact more in the way than helping out since it creates a feeling of duality between the ego demonic and the spiritual ones and makes me long for being somewhere else where insanity is not tolerated to run rampant.

I thought of these things, but by knowing a working brain mechanic replacement with accurate input -> output equaling the brains and creating a program doing the same I am pretty sure that there is no duality where "evil" creates "good".
This world seems more like new life either becomes wise, working together towards the goal to help and create or it's wiped out after a long time, like a virus in a body.

The system automatically fits itself to the maximum we can give. 9000 years of that and we're still slaves.
The working time went from 3 minutes a day to the maximum for the least we can live with, yet because the way we grow up is completely controlled barely anyone can become aware of it.

And nope, our work force is most likely used to cause more harm than help for the sum of all.

This seems relevant. I actually was watching this video when I found this thread.

"Always go up, down will only cause more forgetfulness" (relevant part of the video starts are 3:30)




Up is order. Up is Light. Up is Heavenly. Up is God.

Down is chaos. Down is darkness. Down is Hell. Down is Satan (The "Fallen" beings).

Interesting thread, and interesting video...