Mom Left 3 and 1 Year-Old Kids to Sleep in Bushes for a Week While She Slept in Motel Room

originally posted by: RunForTheHills
a reply to: poiSoN466
You are right, we need to be asking for a solution! There are way too many homeless people and I think a solution is much better than bickering about the problem. and if at all possible these kids should be kept with their parents. And yes I have and am doing so as of now, gave people with no place to live a room and bed in my house. The solution in this last case is to take care of them until the mother can finish RN schooling and provide for her three babies. I have taken in people all my life but this does not help the masses. We really do need to find a solution!

It must come down to the almighty buck and the government spending it where they want to and ignoring the plight of the poor and homeless. There are different categories of homeless. We have those who have fallen on hard times, or through the cracks somehow. We have those who just do not wish to live on the grid and want to be left alone. We have drug addicts and alcoholics...Each of these issues needs to be addressed.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: poiSoN466

Cant see why considering i'm in no way a US citizen, its not like i'm at hand to help, if I was I would most certainly be willing to assist the children.

As to the mother who left her kids in a bush for a week, well you can't teach pork! Help the kids they obviously deserve a chance!

Your post seriously confuses me, because quite honestly it sounds like you are saying these kids don't deserve a chance because they were left in a bush for a week? I seriously hope that's not the case.

a reply to: poiSoN466

"People like you"

Tut tut. You don't know me, so please don't make assumptions, i'm not exactly in the perfect position to help myself, geographically of financially!

originally posted by: Night Star
From the article, it says she had vouchers for hotel stays and they ran out. Why didn't she go back to wherever she got the vouchers and let them know? I'm confused. Why wasn't she on welfare while she had an address? My heart breaks to see a family torn apart, but how can a one year old and a three year old be safe on their own for any length of time? They were dirty and hungry. I just don't understand why she wasn't getting welfare?

This situation is circumstancial depending on a few aspects. I've seen PLENTY of times where people that NEED welfare and food stamps and cash assistance, don't get a single penny. The government find some loophole to not provide them the funding they need, and then in turn, give food stamps to someone who lies on the questionnaire that has a part time job and is living at home with mommy and daddy.

All too often this has happened, which isn't a flaw with anything except our government and its institutions.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: poiSoN466

"People like you"

Tut tut. You don't know me, so please don't make assumptions, i'm not exactly in the perfect position to help myself!

Then if you can't help, don't judge. End of story.

Offer solutions, or don't offer anything at all. Complaining about things on ATS isn't going to provide any solutions to anything. If you aren't a citizen and you don't live here, what gives you the right to judge anything about this issue?

a reply to: poiSoN466

"Then if you can't help, don't judge. End of story."

So i don't get an opinion, everybody judges my friend! Have some kids then you can have yours.

a reply to: poiSoN466

Thank you for answering. That is very sad that anyone desperately needing help would be denied.

a reply to: Night Star
Exactly, Those are the same questions that were not addressed by the media that we would all like to know. However if you read the story the babies were never left on their own. The cops found the mother sleeping with her babies, and she is the one that told the police men that they were with their father the previous week sleeping in the bushes. It is heartbreaking but even in our small community, I found out we too have a tent city and many homeless people, Which is just unbelievable because we are a small town. This is terrible and its happening all over even in our own back yards. I just can not condemn someone that I do not know their circumstances.

In my town, there were a colony (literally a colony) of homeless people that were living behind Wal-Mart. Some were children, some were mothers with their babies. Guess what the city did?? PHYSICALLY removed them from the small place they had made what they call a home, and dispersed them somewhere else on the streets.

In andy06shake's eyes though, they should have been arrested. Sometimes I will never understand the thought process of people.

"LETS THROW THEM IN JAIL AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THEM instead of helping them incorporate themselves back into a society, bring this country together and make it stronger"

Newsflash, they're human beings too, and they deserve every shot at having a family and shelter as you do. Again, I could careless if you aren't from this country, aren't a citizen, aren't currently living here, and every other excuse you can come up with as to why you're allowed to bash homeless parents that have to find some way to take care of their children. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

a reply to: poiSoN466

Should she have been thrown in prison?? No, she should have been offered a helping hand and a solution. Neither of which was done. So regardless of whatever the case may be as to why her children were sleeping in the bushes, the authorities are just as disgusting for being so willing to ship these kids to a place where there's a shot they may not be adopted for years come. Trust me, being a foster child isn't glamorous, and for those of you that think it's so much more glamorous than "rhododendrons" please do yourself a favor and visit some of the approved foster institutions that our glamorous government ships these kids.

You are right, even if drugs were involved, help should have been the action taken when they found a Family in such straits. Something very wrong in our society.

As for foster care...when I was a child a little girl foster child next door told me all about sex she had learned from her wonderful foster Father, I was to young to even understand but I never forgot. Many of the foster Families I have met are in it for the money and have no care for the kids.

originally posted by: Night Star
From the article, it says she had vouchers for hotel stays and they ran out. Why didn't she go back to wherever she got the vouchers and let them know? I'm confused. Why wasn't she on welfare while she had an address? My heart breaks to see a family torn apart, but how can a one year old and a three year old be safe on their own for any length of time? They were dirty and hungry. I just don't understand why she wasn't getting welfare?

Why do you think places give out unlimited vouchers? They certainly don't!

What makes you think welfare provides housing? It certainly doesn't!

There IS NO SAFETY NET!!!! STOP BELIEVING THE LIES!

The media and others (including a bunch of posters here on ATS) make people think the poor automatically get housing, utility and food provided to them. There's section 8 housing vouchers but the waiting list in most places is years and sometimes decades. Where I live the list had been closed for a decade and when it finally opened 10,000 people applied for spots. A few years later just about 100 people received vouchers!

Welfare or not - landlords want a deposit plus first and last months rent - and that's if you can even find a decent place. Go take a look at some places that you can live on welfare payments - then tell me if you think bushes might be safer!!

I think it's horrible of the media to make people think she was sleeping all cozy when we all know the real answer was she was probably a prostitute trying to get enough money for her kids. She couldn't say that because it would be another charge.

If she would have asked for help, most likely she would have had her kids taken from her . Unlike the fantasy people have been taught, foster homes are NOT safe and loving places. Most likely the kids would have been separated never seeing their parents or siblings again. According to statistics, they most likely would be sexually and physically abused, never adopted, live in multiple homes and become homeless as teenagers.

originally posted by: Daughter2

originally posted by: Night Star
From the article, it says she had vouchers for hotel stays and they ran out. Why didn't she go back to wherever she got the vouchers and let them know? I'm confused. Why wasn't she on welfare while she had an address? My heart breaks to see a family torn apart, but how can a one year old and a three year old be safe on their own for any length of time? They were dirty and hungry. I just don't understand why she wasn't getting welfare?

Why do you think places give out unlimited vouchers? They certainly don't!

What makes you think welfare provides housing? It certainly doesn't!

There IS NO SAFETY NET!!!! STOP BELIEVING THE LIES!

The media and others (including a bunch of posters here on ATS) make people think the poor automatically get housing, utility and food provided to them. There's section 8 housing vouchers but the waiting list in most places is years and sometimes decades. Where I live the list had been closed for a decade and when it finally opened 10,000 people applied for spots. A few years later just about 100 people received vouchers!

Welfare or not - landlords want a deposit plus first and last months rent - and that's if you can even find a decent place. Go take a look at some places that you can live on welfare payments - then tell me if you think bushes might be safer!!

I think it's horrible of the media to make people think she was sleeping all cozy when we all know the real answer was she was probably a prostitute trying to get enough money for her kids. She couldn't say that because it would be another charge.

If she would have asked for help, most likely she would have had her kids taken from her . Unlike the fantasy people have been taught, foster homes are NOT safe and loving places. Most likely the kids would have been separated never seeing their parents or siblings again. According to statistics, they most likely would be sexually and physically abused, never adopted, live in multiple homes and become homeless as teenagers.

Thank God people have joined this conversation with actual common sense. Kudos to everybody that sees the larger picture here.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: poiSoN466

"Then if you can't help, don't judge. End of story."

So i don't get an opinion, everybody judges my friend! Have some kids then you can have yours.

You sure get your opinion, just letting you know that your opinion makes you no better than the scum that shoved this woman in jail. If you're okay with that, than so am I. As for me having kids, your natural ability to assume incorrectly gives me a very insightful look into how ignorant you really are.

a reply to: RunForTheHills

I'm in a small town too from the smallest state and we have plenty of homeless here too. We have food kitchens and shelters and our mailmen every so often, collect canned goods and also a local grocery store has a big bin where people can donate food. Shelters are often filled to capacity though and in the colder months it's tough. I am in debt with medical bills and on a limited income and still I donate. It may not be a lot but I cannot afford to do anything on a big scale.

With the lack of jobs and too many people applying for the same jobs, it is tough. So many of our businesses are outsourced which doesn't help. And with rising costs of food and medical etc, I'm afraid things are going to be a lot worse before they get any better.

originally posted by: Daughter2

originally posted by: Night Star
From the article, it says she had vouchers for hotel stays and they ran out. Why didn't she go back to wherever she got the vouchers and let them know? I'm confused. Why wasn't she on welfare while she had an address? My heart breaks to see a family torn apart, but how can a one year old and a three year old be safe on their own for any length of time? They were dirty and hungry. I just don't understand why she wasn't getting welfare?

Why do you think places give out unlimited vouchers? They certainly don't!

What makes you think welfare provides housing? It certainly doesn't!

There IS NO SAFETY NET!!!! STOP BELIEVING THE LIES!

The media and others (including a bunch of posters here on ATS) make people think the poor automatically get housing, utility and food provided to them. There's section 8 housing vouchers but the waiting list in most places is years and sometimes decades. Where I live the list had been closed for a decade and when it finally opened 10,000 people applied for spots. A few years later just about 100 people received vouchers!

Welfare or not - landlords want a deposit plus first and last months rent - and that's if you can even find a decent place. Go take a look at some places that you can live on welfare payments - then tell me if you think bushes might be safer!!

I think it's horrible of the media to make people think she was sleeping all cozy when we all know the real answer was she was probably a prostitute trying to get enough money for her kids. She couldn't say that because it would be another charge.

If she would have asked for help, most likely she would have had her kids taken from her . Unlike the fantasy people have been taught, foster homes are NOT safe and loving places. Most likely the kids would have been separated never seeing their parents or siblings again. According to statistics, they most likely would be sexually and physically abused, never adopted, live in multiple homes and become homeless as teenagers.

I asked because I didn't understand. I have never been homeless. I have been poor where we just about made it from paycheck to paycheck, but not homeless. I have never been on welfare, just disability. The only people I know on welfare all have children. I didn't understand how anyone with children could be denied welfare. This thread has been educational for me and I'm sure others as well.

a reply to: poiSoN466

"In andy06shake's eyes though"

There is that presumption again, does it just flow, or do you actually require basis for such? Your not me, short of some preternatural aspect that's undisclosed, stop presuming to know what if anything I may or may not perceive!

Kids need help, Mother requires better accommodation to ply her trade(Far away from the children if indeed prostitution is part of her lifestyle choice). As to the father, well one can only hope!

Short of the above why were the kids in bushes while she was breathing air?

It's not a presumption. I'm giving you my OPINION, since everybody is entitled to there's (words straight out of your mouth) based on the direct dialogue you have supplied me. Facts are fact, and the fact is, you have written what you have written. Plain and simple.

originally posted by: poiSoN466
Overall, the amount of bashing going on in this thread sickens me. Can you people stop focusing on the fact that these kids were sleeping in the bushes and she is a terrible mother etc etc. How about you focus on the REAL problem at hand. This countries inability to shelter and house homeless people. You're looking at a small pinpoint object on a much larger social issue. You're so quick to condemn her for her actions, yet not a SINGLE one of you have offered a solution. You're content with arresting her and shipping her kids somewhere.

Would you have offered her a place to stay if you ran across her?? Given her money to feed her kids? Done anything of the sort to help this family out? Nope, you would have seen this poor family on the side of the road, quickly ran home in your car full of gas, with your mortgaged house, hopped on the internet, typed in ATS's website, and posted a forum topic on how disgusting these people are having children living on the streets.

Please grow up and quit being so simple minded and one track minded. It grosses me out that this country is in the state it is at, and I think I've seen maybe one or two posts with a mention of this. Want to be mad at somebody? Be mad at your government for not providing people like this, the proper attention they need. Instead they'd rather line their own pockets with gold while destroying every fundamental fact of everybody's rights that exists.

Should she have been thrown in prison?? No, she should have been offered a helping hand and a solution. Neither of which was done. So regardless of whatever the case may be as to why her children were sleeping in the bushes, the authorities are just as disgusting for being so willing to ship these kids to a place where there's a shot they may not be adopted for years come. Trust me, being a foster child isn't glamorous, and for those of you that think it's so much more glamorous than "rhododendrons" please do yourself a favor and visit some of the approved foster institutions that our glamorous government ships these kids.

Again, please refer to this post if you wish to actually contribute to the topic at hand. You are consistantly being a part of the problem and not the solution. I wish to not further discuss anything you have to contribute to this topic if it's going to be how unfit this mother is and how this is her fault and she should rot in jail.

a reply to: poiSoN466

"just letting you know that your opinion makes you no better than the scum that shoved this woman in jail"

Do you have children poiSoN466(Probably not considering your stance on the matter)? If so would you keep them in a bush, ever? A one year old and a three year old? For a week? While you are most lightly horizontal for the $$$?

I done some things in my time, then you grow up, kids change your perception on the world, hence the reason why reasonable parents do not keep them in bushes, or perceive said act as acceptable, for whatever reason. Or do you disagree?

That's my opinion, you have my leave to presume as such. If that makes me a bad person then "I am what I am". Your still a boy through or you would know far better.

a reply to: poiSoN466

Sorry, are you answering yourself? Mistakes are easily made i suppose! LoL