Very unusual object photographed in Arizona sky

I zoomed right in on it........
looks nothing like a bird.......

originally posted by: lambros56
I zoomed right in on it........
looks nothing like a bird.......

Nothing like a bird.

originally posted by: Rob48

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It's a bird.

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: draknoir2

Sometimes I wonder, honestly.

Second line.

One has to.

But I'm pretty sure I can ace the Turing test, and "bird" was my first thought when I saw it.


Native Americans are highly spiritual, so it stands to reason this would affect their interpretation.

The appendages on the object look rigid to me. And they're pointing straight down.

What are the chances, if this object is indeed a bird, that I would capture an image at the split second that the wings are in that position?

I'm no statistician, but the percentage would be extremely minute, IMHO.

Again, birds tend to soar and glide. And in my experience, they're not invisible to the naked eye.

originally posted by: htapath

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: draknoir2

Sometimes I wonder, honestly.

Second line.

One has to.

But I'm pretty sure I can ace the Turing test, and "bird" was my first thought when I saw it.


Native Americans are highly spiritual, so it stands to reason this would affect their interpretation.

The appendages on the object look rigid to me. And they're pointing straight down.

What are the chances, if this object is indeed a bird, that I would capture an image at the split second that the wings are in that position?

I'm no statistician, but the percentage would be extremely minute, IMHO.

Again, birds tend to soar and glide. And in my experience, they're not invisible to the naked eye.

I'd say the chances would be the same as they were for the guy who captured the bird in Rob's photo... wings down... not soaring.

People don't tend to notice birds and bugs. That's why there are so many blurd and rod photos posted here... things only noticed after viewing the photos

I wasn't there, but your story and photo fit the pattern.

a reply to: draknoir2

Is the object shaped like the surrounding clouds, or are the clouds shaped like the object.

If birds of a feather flock together, are the clouds and the object traveling together?

The image in the OP has not been altered in any way.

originally posted by: htapath

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: draknoir2

Sometimes I wonder, honestly.

Second line.

One has to.

But I'm pretty sure I can ace the Turing test, and "bird" was my first thought when I saw it.


Native Americans are highly spiritual, so it stands to reason this would affect their interpretation.

The appendages on the object look rigid to me. And they're pointing straight down.

What are the chances, if this object is indeed a bird, that I would capture an image at the split second that the wings are in that position?

Try google images using that claim!

originally posted by: wmd_2008

originally posted by: htapath

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: draknoir2

Sometimes I wonder, honestly.

Second line.

One has to.

But I'm pretty sure I can ace the Turing test, and "bird" was my first thought when I saw it.


Native Americans are highly spiritual, so it stands to reason this would affect their interpretation.

The appendages on the object look rigid to me. And they're pointing straight down.

What are the chances, if this object is indeed a bird, that I would capture an image at the split second that the wings are in that position?

Try google images using that claim!

The vast majority, if not all, of the images that result from such a search, have been uploaded by birdwatchers. And still I've yet to see a single image of a large bird high in the sky with wings pointing straight down.

I was capturing an image of the weird looking clouds when I caught the object. Funny though, the object is dead center at the top of the pic. Again what are the chances?

a reply to: alldaylong

how old are you?
(serious question)

a reply to: htapath

Well your object is not that high and the 2 pictures I link are in flight but will post another later on mobile just now.

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: draknoir2

Is the object shaped like the surrounding clouds, or are the clouds shaped like the object.

If birds of a feather flock together, are the clouds and the object traveling together?

The image in the OP has not been altered in any way.

See if you can find an image of a bird gliding through the air with its wings pointing STRAIGHT down. The old Atlanta Falcons helmets don't count.

originally posted by: Rob48

Show any person on the street this photo without filling in the blanks for them and I am willing to bet they will say it's two birds in the sky, not one bird and one very unusual object.


There's always a chance your "object" is something else, but to claim that it in no way resembles an indigenous species of bird in flight is just confirmation bias at work.

Just my two cents worth,

Remember Deny Ignorance the ATS moto.

I checked google earth for the location of OPs home where he took aledged photographs.
And I was fairly amazed at the big cavern deep into the ground around this location,

Now I am off an opinion its a bird but maybe not off this realm/time it looks prehistoric in nature to me.

Pictures off ground opening/caverns ?

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: Rob48

Show any person on the street this photo without filling in the blanks for them and I am willing to bet they will say it's two birds in the sky, not one bird and one very unusual object.


There's always a chance your "object" is something else, but to claim that it in no way resembles an indigenous species of bird in flight is just confirmation bias at work.

One could find an image of a person at a distance standing upright while wearing brown pants and a green shirt. Then one could Photoshop them next to a forest in such a way that they blend right in with the trees.

But that wouldn't prove that the trees are people.

a reply to: htapath

Looks like an owl traveling to the right and away from the camera, they are mysterious birds and uncommon to see in the daytime but they do get around.

Sort of wild this thread went to 300+ replies over that pic. But stay vigilant and you`ll never know what you might see flying or floating around up there.

a reply to: htapath

Remember we sre talking about still images you seem to be under the impression large birds never flap their wings.

But stay vigilant and you`ll never know what you might see flying or floating around up there.

Indeed. Go camping in rural areas of Arizona and just watch the night sky. I've seldom been disappointed, and the peace and quiet is a nice bonus.

a reply to: htapath

What are the chances, if this object is indeed a bird, that I would capture an image at the split second that the wings are in that position?

rationalwiki.org...

Shuffling a deck of cards

Do you want to witness an "improbable" event right now in your very own home?

Take a standard deck of 52 cards, shuffle it well and spread the cards in a line. Look at them well. Assuming an ideally random shuffle, the probability of a card sequence in this exact order is...

1 in 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000

Really. And yet despite this very low probability, you just got that sequence. Which may be mindblowing if you haven't studied statistics or combinatorics. Of course, this is because the probability that is given to you is ex ante and when you are reading the sequence of the cards after you shuffle them, you are simply validating what you see. The ex post probability of getting that particular sequence is always 100%

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: htapath

Remember we sre talking about still images you seem to be under the impression large birds never flap their wings.

I've spent a lot of time outdoors, in case you haven't gathered that much by now.

I see large birds every day, as a matter of fact. They are very efficient and flap their wings only when necessary.

Also, there are right angles on this object, which is problematic to the bird theory.

The appendages on the object appear to be rigid. Couple this with the fact that the object is shaped like the clouds, and the weirdness factor is elevated.

If the clouds had not looked so unusual, then I would not have even pulled over and captured the image.

a reply to: htapath

Sorry right angles the RESOLUTION of the object is not goid enogh to claim that as for the assumption they look ridgid, again a still image with a fixed moment in time. Shaped like the clouds seems more like head in the clouds.

I read up to page 12, then I had enough. OP, it's a bird, its so clearly a bird that nothing else makes sense.

The wings are not flapping, they are in the position of being drawn up, not down, hence the square look. Here is a picture that is almost exactly the same as your bird [facing the other way], only this one has a white head.



Only now you have to imagine the head darker and the resolution of the image to be so low that when you zoom in, all you can see is squares, which are not strange machine components or solid, but artefacts due to the bad resolution a phone has. I have also been photographing for almost 40 years, my husband is a professional photographer, why oh why would you not accept when people know about this and explain it to you?

I have very rarely seen someone so desperately stating that the obvious and proved [by many images and the explanations of how cameras work] can not be true.

It's a bird and if you [OP] don't agree, please come up with credible reasons that it isn't. You can't, because it is a bird!

What do you want us to say?