Violence is Good

originally posted by: Gallowglaich

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Gallowglaich

Is you aren't willing to commit violence, you aren't a man - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You speak as tho you aren't a 'man' because someone doesn't want to fight?

Mindset like this is literally half the problem with the way people raise their kids. Womanizers, cut throat capitalists, and people who shove their way through lineups are grown up on this mentality of not being 'a man'.
It sickens me when people attempt to use the words "man up" to males, and then they wonder why feminism has gone astray from it's original roots.

Take a look at this TED talk from a male feminist, and he can explain to me better on what I am trying to say.

Violence doesn't solve anything, it creates more problems. 'manning up' is such a phony stereotype of the typical male egotistical D.bag.

This is just a coward's justification of cowardice. I am not advocating violence against women or children. In fact, I've already stated twice that I'm referring to fair, consenting violence between two adult men. I don't condone any kind of indiscriminate, wanton aggression toward innocent people. I am not advocating criminality. Please get this into your head and don't accuse me of it again.

You said "war is good", do you know what happens during a war ?

Someone is playing video games too much.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
a reply to: Gallowglaich

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Violence is just as human as love, compassion, jealousy, greed, empathy, and fear, it is the physical expression of anger and hatred, just like sex is the physical manifestation of attraction or love. -
>>

No.

The ability to NOT use violence despite experiencing anger, fear, hate etc. is what makes us human.

I am honestly not sure whether you're just a smarta$$ trolling in a sarcastic way or whether your post is meant seriously.

Tell me, what is "good" about violence? How does it benefit me if I hurt/kill you..rather than seeking a constructive solution?
What does violence create, what do I (or you) gain from it?

What about those "violent urges" of men or "young men"? In how far is it good when young men give in to your alleged urges to commit violence? Is your idea of a perfect world that we're all running around with a big club and smash each others skulls in when we have an opportunity?

Say this is an instance of power struggle: if you hurt/kill me, you establish dominance/eliminate the opposition and thus division and indecision is dealt with, and we have achieved unity, consolidation of power, and a clear path forward to advancement. So conflict is necessary to advance.

a reply to: Gallowglaich

But I'm to tired to get violent, workin 55 hrs a week, takin care of a wife and two kids, got side jobs going on, house is falling apart at the seems. Between all that and keeping the family truckster running I'm freakin beat. How does a dude like me move up to the status of being a true man?

originally posted by: gosseyn

originally posted by: Gallowglaich

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Gallowglaich

Is you aren't willing to commit violence, you aren't a man - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You speak as tho you aren't a 'man' because someone doesn't want to fight?

Mindset like this is literally half the problem with the way people raise their kids. Womanizers, cut throat capitalists, and people who shove their way through lineups are grown up on this mentality of not being 'a man'.
It sickens me when people attempt to use the words "man up" to males, and then they wonder why feminism has gone astray from it's original roots.

Take a look at this TED talk from a male feminist, and he can explain to me better on what I am trying to say.

Violence doesn't solve anything, it creates more problems. 'manning up' is such a phony stereotype of the typical male egotistical D.bag.

This is just a coward's justification of cowardice. I am not advocating violence against women or children. In fact, I've already stated twice that I'm referring to fair, consenting violence between two adult men. I don't condone any kind of indiscriminate, wanton aggression toward innocent people. I am not advocating criminality. Please get this into your head and don't accuse me of it again.

You said "war is good", do you know what happens during a war ?

Someone is playing video games too much.

That is a common retort that I've noticed being used in these kinds of arguments. I have been in life or death situation and proved my courage and fortitude.

And I don't play video games.

originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: Gallowglaich

But I'm to tired to get violent, workin 55 hrs a week, takin care of a wife and two kids, got side jobs going on, house is falling apart at the seems. Between all that and keeping the family truckster running I'm freakin beat. How does a dude like me move up to the status of being a true man?

You misunderstand me. A man in your situation should never have conflict as a priority. As long as you are willing to wound, maim, and kill in the defense of your family, you are a true man.

originally posted by: Gallowglaich

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
a reply to: Gallowglaich

>>
Violence is just as human as love, compassion, jealousy, greed, empathy, and fear, it is the physical expression of anger and hatred, just like sex is the physical manifestation of attraction or love. -
>>

No.

The ability to NOT use violence despite experiencing anger, fear, hate etc. is what makes us human.

I am honestly not sure whether you're just a smarta$$ trolling in a sarcastic way or whether your post is meant seriously.

Tell me, what is "good" about violence? How does it benefit me if I hurt/kill you..rather than seeking a constructive solution?
What does violence create, what do I (or you) gain from it?

What about those "violent urges" of men or "young men"? In how far is it good when young men give in to your alleged urges to commit violence? Is your idea of a perfect world that we're all running around with a big club and smash each others skulls in when we have an opportunity?

Say this is an instance of power struggle: if if you hurt/kill me, you establish dominance/eliminate the opposition and thus division and indecision is dealt with, and we have achieved unity, consolidation of power, and a clear path forward to advancement. So conflict is necessary to advance.

You gotta be trolling right ...

originally posted by: Gallowglaich


I fought a good bit in my youth. A product of rough southern raising coupled with prideful and stubborn ways. I never cared much for getting my @ss kicked but reveled in victory; as if you can call it that.

However violence NEVER gave me pleasure. Winning did.

That being said the violence we committed never escalated to the likes of what I've seen these days. No one retrieved a firearm and shot the person who whipped up on them. We dusted off, shook hands and went about our business.

Resolving issues BEFORE they result in violence is good. My aching bones can attest to that.

edit on 5/5/2014 by TiedDestructor because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Gallowglaich
This is what the UFC is for..

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: Gallowglaich

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
a reply to: Gallowglaich

>>
Violence is just as human as love, compassion, jealousy, greed, empathy, and fear, it is the physical expression of anger and hatred, just like sex is the physical manifestation of attraction or love. -
>>

No.

The ability to NOT use violence despite experiencing anger, fear, hate etc. is what makes us human.

I am honestly not sure whether you're just a smarta$$ trolling in a sarcastic way or whether your post is meant seriously.

Tell me, what is "good" about violence? How does it benefit me if I hurt/kill you..rather than seeking a constructive solution?
What does violence create, what do I (or you) gain from it?

What about those "violent urges" of men or "young men"? In how far is it good when young men give in to your alleged urges to commit violence? Is your idea of a perfect world that we're all running around with a big club and smash each others skulls in when we have an opportunity?

Say this is an instance of power struggle: if if you hurt/kill me, you establish dominance/eliminate the opposition and thus division and indecision is dealt with, and we have achieved unity, consolidation of power, and a clear path forward to advancement. So conflict is necessary to advance.

You gotta be trolling right ...

No, and I'm unsure why you think I am.

originally posted by: TiedDestructor

originally posted by: Gallowglaich


I fought a good bit in my youth. A product of rough southern raising coupled with prideful and stubborn ways. I never cared much for getting my @ss kicked but reveled in victory; as if you can call it that.

However violence NEVER gave me pleasure. Winning did.

That being said the violence we committed never escalated to the likes of what I've seen these days. No one retrieved a firearm and shot the person who whipped up on them. We dusted off, shook hands and went about our business.

Resolving issues BEFORE they result in violence is good. My aching bones can attest to that.

Yes, but look at some of the sissy young guys these days and tell me they're better off....

edit on 5-5-2014 by Gallowglaich because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Gallowglaich

Well, I am at that. Well done

a reply to: Gallowglaich

S&F!

I concur because ...

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion [aka violence] against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

... and so anyone not willing to resort to violence, only when and where required, does themselves and everyone else a complete disservice!

You made a great argument! Thank you!

I see his point, and it goes along with the fact that schools have taken away most forms of "violent" team sports.

For instance, dodgeball was removed.

We have warning labels on EVERYTHING.

"Don't do that, you might get hurt".

There was a time where one would learn a valuable lesson by getting ones kiester kicked.

You also learned when to, and when not to use violence. Typically invoking violence at the wrong time, gets you in deep poo. Where as the appropriate use of violence saves your bacon.

This also points to why so many violent home invasions turn out going bad for the homeowner, because the perpetrator is willing to go to any means to get what he wants. Where as the homeowner does not fully commit.

Force must be met with force, of equal or greater, in order to win.

a reply to: Cygnis

You also notice how prevalent bullying in schools seems to be now. Verbal abuse can be devastating and extremely damaging to a kid's psyche. The kid feels degraded, ostracized, and powerless, and there is absolutely nothing he can do about it. If he snaps and hits that bully right in the face, he will probably get suspended- actually, scratch that, in most public schools these days fighting actually gets you immediate expulsion, even if it is your first offense.

I remember my dad telling me about how his teacher actually allowed boys to settle their disputes by fighting, overseeing the whole thing and making sure nobody got seriously hurt. And even if the recipient of the bullying got beaten, he would be motivated to get stronger and quicker, he would practice punching things until he turned it around and whooped that bully's ass.

Nowadays, the desperation and hopelessness just builds up inside these kids until they feel the need to bring a gun to school and murder people in cold blood, probably because they feel so alienated that they end up considering everyone around them an enemy that deserves to die.

It's a bad situation, and it's made worse by the fact that this system is too blind and removed from reality to see the root of the problem.

I get what your saying. War while a terrible thing does have it's place and it's purpose. While I personally don't like violence it as a women it is essential that I be prepared to use it in order to defend my self. I also agree with your post about bullying. Bruises and bones heal psychological scars leave a lasting mark especially in young children. My Mother is a primary school teacher and she's not allowed to use a red pen when doing her marking because it's potentially damaging to the children's psyches.

We as a society have gotten to the point where most students come out of schools as weak uniform automatons with no idea how to survive in the real world.

I got my butt kicked more than once in primary school and I also spent my childhood wrestling with my older brothers and i'm all the better for it. In some places it's even become illegal to smack a misbehaving child on the butt as discipline.

Violence has it's place in society. but violence for violence's sake should be avoided unless it's between two informed and consenting adults like going a round in a boxing ring.

a reply to: Gallowglaich

This is true, you can only keep the pressure in so long, before the top blows.

Be it the 9 yr old getting bullied, or the disgruntled employee who was used as a whipping boy for years before he was terminated.

Tho, there is also temperance that people must apply, granted there is no recourse anymore. The legal system is flawed and caters to the person with the most money, rather than the law-abiding.

Society seems to forget that emotions and tempers flare. They are trying to confine us to simply being a bland state of being with no emotional response. Sadly the mental drugs being pushed cause some to snap, and others to be stupid.

In a local county near where I live, you go to JAIL for CUSSING someone out. "Fighting words" they call it. What a load of crap.

However, as I have said, there is a time for violence, and a time for just walking away. Sometimes, it's just not worth teaching them a lesson. I had this experience the other day at a walmart. I turned down an isle, and was immediately cussed out, and physically threatened. I simply laughed, and walked away. It wasn't worth my time to deal him. It would have been an easy provocation to get him to engage me, but why? There was no point, he was rude and crude, and obviously out of his mind. There is no moral victory kicking someone's posterior if they do not have the brains to understand said butt-kicking. /shrug

What a sad man you must be, lol only real men do violence, what era are you from seriously.

I believe there is something deeply ingrained in human males that is satisfied by combat. I have boxed, and sparred in karate and tae kwon do. The trick is to keep it a sport, with agreed upon rules, and a referee. I think participating in such sport makes one a kinder and more respectful person. Most of the people responsible for unacceptable violence, in my opinion, have not satisfied this primal urge.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
What a sad man you must be, lol only real men do violence, what era are you from seriously.

Grow up, face the harsh reality. I'm not going to coddle you and tell you peace is always the answer. That we are innately good. It's just not true.

I feel sorry for you.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I believe there is something deeply ingrained in human males that is satisfied by combat. I have boxed, and sparred in karate and tae kwon do. The trick is to keep it a sport, with agreed upon rules, and a referee. I think participating in such sport makes one a kinder and more respectful person. Most of the people responsible for unacceptable violence, in my opinion, have not satisfied this primal urge.

Well put, you have the right of it.