Georgia’s Sweeping Gun Law Sparks Religious Backlash

a reply to: Danbones

Of course Jesus is well able to defend all who are His.

. . . and any others He chooses to defend.

Nevertheless, the NT is not 100% pacifistic as some make it out to be.

I tend to have trouble killing even a chicken for food.

However, I hope I'd be well able to defend a family or other close loved one in a terrorist or similar situation.

originally posted by: yamammasamonkey
The Bill only permits one to carry into these establishments if the individual establishment chooses to allow it. Sounds like the most reasonable law I have ever heard.

See that's it exactly. I don't think there is anything unreasonable about it.

So one guy doesn't want guns in that establishment he is exercising a choice he is entitled to.

I am still trying to figure out what the controversy is supposed to be. Maybe you are as well.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yes, exactly! Someone let me know when the Pope makes a statement about this gun law, until then it is just one man's opinion regardless if he is the leader of a 56,000 member church. Now all it will take is the leader of another church to welcome it's members to carry, and he will get to see if his congregation agrees with his opinion.

Yeah...there are going to be a lot of these "not in my place" reactions, and expectedly so.

Just the rumor of a gun in a school here in GA last week brought out gazillions of police cars, helicopters. Then again, the law doesn't go into effect until July 1.

This law's going to be ridiculous to attempt to enforce, and many people are still going to be alarmed at seeing people with guns everywhere. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

a reply to: SpaDe_

The Pope?

Who gives a flying copulatory event what the man who currently occupies that outmoded, and entirely anti-Christian position thinks? The man might be better than the last I don't know how many people who landed the job, but his position is no more valid for all that. The very existence of a Pope goes against the word of Jesus...

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way and the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"

He did not say no man cometh unto the Father, but by me and a procession of very dodgy persons, who have a habit of covering up the truth, making life abysmal for folk for centuries, who will burn witches, start warrior orders, hire mercenaries, and start an organisation which spends more maintaining its buildings than it does on good works!

The Popes opinion, like the entire existence of the papacy, could not be less important!

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: smithjustinb

He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors. ’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”

Luke 22:36-38


I guess the good bishop doesn't know his bible.

Dangit...you beat me to it!!
" and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one....38 Then they said: “Lord, look! here are two swords.” He said to them: “It is enough.”
My favorite part of that is the fact that they were already armed...you don't think the swords were just laying around the upper room do ya...nope...the disciples were packing!

Also...when asked what would Jesus do...I often muse
(John 2:15) . . .after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those with the sheep and cattle out of the temple, and he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

a reply to: TrueBrit

My point being that on the scale of who is important in the church this guy putting his opinion out there is really a nobody. That is why I said let me know when the Pope makes a statement. Nice little rant though.

a reply to: SpaDe_

And my point is, that no matter how publicly respected, the only valid opinion on this matter is that of the individual. As a person who is prevented by UK law, from arming myself in the manner to which my ancestors were accustomed, in my own damned country I might add, I feel pretty strongly about this issue the states are having with everyone and anyone taking the opportunity to erode the freedoms given the people in the US, with regard to firearms and arming themselves in general.

Georgia seems to have been sensible enough to pass good, constitutional law here, and the fact that anyone has spoken ill of it is testament to stupidity. Even if the deluded old man wearing half a set of curtains in public has anything to say about it, he should damned well keep it to himself for a change. The fact is that this move is probably the most sensible taken by a state, with regard to firearms, that could have come about in the face of all the anti freedom nonsense that has been coming out of Washington, and this Church leader fellow ought to recognise that, because otherwise, when they come for his Bibles, instead of everyone else's guns, he is going to be DAMNED aggravated that he would not let his parishioners pack heat at the altar.

originally posted by: Danbones
hmmm
on the one hand
does jesus have the parts to protect a person in a church or anywhere?
or do christians actually need guns to do that job?
what good is jesus then..you know Daniel in the lions den
truth or fiction?
will jesus stop a drone?
will a gun stop a drone
jesus said what about guns?....thou shalt have no idol before me?, thou shalt not kill?..live by the sword die by the sword?...
render unto Cesar?

at what point when christians have to choose:
guns or jesus...
which is going to win?

You are right the bible says not to worship false idols, the NRA worships guns...Is it even compatible with Christianity?

This is a bit off topic, but I suspect it may soon become the preferred way to brush your teeth in America.

Jesus said he didn't come to bring Peace but a sword.

He even told his disciples to go and buy swords to defend themselves.

Enough with the God is Love and Full of Peace and Love only - God's not like that and nor is Jesus.. go read your bible. Sometimes God and his Son Jesus calls for us to take up arms either for defense or offense, depending on the situation.

I do not however believe guns belong inside the Church building, or a school.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
Why the exceptions?

Ask the Archbishop.

The answer is easy--hypocrisy.

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: Danbones
hmmm
on the one hand
does jesus have the parts to protect a person in a church or anywhere?
or do christians actually need guns to do that job?
what good is jesus then..you know Daniel in the lions den
truth or fiction?
will jesus stop a drone?
will a gun stop a drone
jesus said what about guns?....thou shalt have no idol before me?, thou shalt not kill?..live by the sword die by the sword?...
render unto Cesar?

at what point when christians have to choose:
guns or jesus...
which is going to win?

You are right the bible says not to worship false idols, the NRA worships guns...Is it even compatible with Christianity?

That's a silly statement. By that measure does the ACLU worship books or just think people should be free to own and read books?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: Danbones
hmmm
on the one hand
does jesus have the parts to protect a person in a church or anywhere?
or do christians actually need guns to do that job?
what good is jesus then..you know Daniel in the lions den
truth or fiction?
will jesus stop a drone?
will a gun stop a drone
jesus said what about guns?....thou shalt have no idol before me?, thou shalt not kill?..live by the sword die by the sword?...
render unto Cesar?

at what point when christians have to choose:
guns or jesus...
which is going to win?

You are right the bible says not to worship false idols, the NRA worships guns...Is it even compatible with Christianity?

That's a silly statement. By that measure does the ACLU worship books or just think people should be free to own and read books?

it is a silly statement

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Crazy people! I swear, this faction of right-wing nut jobs with guns is getting more scary every day! Being in public is getting scarier all the time. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yet you say its those of us with concealed carry licenses are the ones who are afraid........

Thats hilarious.......

a reply to: ~Lucidity

This law's going to be ridiculous to attempt to enforce, and many people are still going to be alarmed at seeing people with guns everywhere. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

And thats because of the fear mentality that society, political parties, and media has put on them.....

its an irrational fear.......

And they say the people with guns are the ones who are scared lunatics......

They freak out on us for having them.........yet refuse to educate themselves enough, and think logically enough not to be concerned with people legally carrying them........

Youre fine with the gov having firepower , despite the fact that they have abused that right, and have consistently shown themselves to be heavy handed in everything they do towards the American people......

But you dont want the PEOPLE to be armed?

What kind of cognitive dissonance is that?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: ~Lucidity

This law's going to be ridiculous to attempt to enforce, and many people are still going to be alarmed at seeing people with guns everywhere. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

And thats because of the fear mentality that society, political parties, and media has put on them.....

its an irrational fear.......

And they say the people with guns are the ones who are scared lunatics......

They freak out on us for having them.........yet refuse to educate themselves enough, and think logically enough not to be concerned with people legally carrying them........

Youre fine with the gov having firepower , despite the fact that they have abused that right, and have consistently shown themselves to be heavy handed in everything they do towards the American people......

But you dont want the PEOPLE to be armed?

What kind of cognitive dissonance is that?

Are you speaking to me? I carry. I've carried for decades, concealed. I was simply commenting on what's going to be.

a reply to: mahatche

Of course it is. Gun owners don't "worship" guns any more than the ACLU "worships" books. Both groups believe in civil liberties and fight to protect them. This is what it's about, not some stupid claim about "worshiping" an object.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Post was directed more to the people freaking out in the thread over someone carrying a weapon who doesnt have a badge.......

The fact that they are ok with thugs open carrying with a badge and a system to protect them with their bad decisions, but are scared to death of citizens doing it astounds me

originally posted by: Snarl
Luke 22:36-38

I guess the good bishop doesn't know his bible.

originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
" and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one....38 Then they said: “Lord, look! here are two swords.” He said to them: “It is enough.”
My favorite part of that is the fact that they were already armed...you don't think the swords were just laying around the upper room do ya...nope...the disciples were packing!

Also...when asked what would Jesus do...I often muse
(John 2:15) . . .after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those with the sheep and cattle out of the temple, and he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Oh really?

I believe you are mistaken. The sword (or swords) in question were needed to fulfill a prophecy, just before Jesus would need to die. He did not condone violence. He said as such when the sword was drawn to use:

Matthew 26:52 - '"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.'

Do you forget the persecution of the early Christians by the Romans - often with the Christians not fighting back as they were slain?