Trending now.....Two teenage boys shot dead in California during burglary attempt

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'm sorry but I do have a big heart for these kids. Kids are
are just that, kids. And to have no remorse for them is
testament to where this country is heading and why it
is going to get there. What kind of parents raise their kids
in such a way, that they end up getting gunned down in a
situation like this? The parents should absolutely be held
accountable, because they are. Anyone who doesn't have
empathy for kids getting killed, maimed or even hurt badly.
Is uncaring, cold, and morally and even mentally unsound
IMO.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'm sorry but I do have a big heart for these kids. Kids are
are just that, kids. And to have no remorse for them is
testament to where this country is heading and why it
is going to get there. What kind of parents raise their kids
in such a way, that they end up getting gunned down in a
situation like this? The parents should absolutely be held
accountable, because they are. Anyone who doesn't have
empathy for kids getting killed, maimed or even hurt badly.
Is uncaring, cold, and morally and even mentally unsound
IMO.

I have kids and raise them to the best of my ability. I expect them to know right from wrong and to understand that if they do something to someone else that is wrong, there are always consequences....whether it be getting hit, shot, stabbed, whatever. I would be extremely distraught if one of these kids was my kid....I can only hope my kids never make a stupid decision such as the one these made.

Sure the parents are at fault in most situations. Does this mean that the kids are not at fault? They know stealing isn't right, and they know they are not supposed to be in a house that is locked, that is not their house.

Again...these concepts are not hard to comprehend....we are not talking about linear differential equations here....this is very basic stuff we learn at a young age....parents don't even have to teach it. The first time you get caught taking something that isn't yours you get in trouble....keep doing it and the trouble gets worse.

I'd have had no choice but to shoot myself, so I dont feel sorry for that. But, I do feel bad for the un-necessary loss of such young lives. At that age, everything is a video game. Stop-start over...and everyone gets up again. Sadly, the reality is they dont.

a reply to: randyvs
Yes, it is a shame that 2 youngsters lost their lives. BUT, that loss of life was as a direct result of poor judgement and malice. Who is to blame? The parents? Society? The kids?

Regardless, anyone has the right, no the responsibility, to protect themselves to the best of their ability. In a situation like this, the person has NO time to analyze the perpetrators for intent of malice. One MUST assume malicious intent if they are going to remain alive or unmolested. A fact of life. The moral of the story: You break into my house, you are going to face the consequences of your decision. My desire to stay alive trumps your malevolent or non-malevolent intent.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I can only hope my kids never make a stupid decision such as the one these made.

This is prolly the same attitude that cost two young boys in
Sacremento Ca. thier lives. You are as wrong as you can possibly
be to say such a thing. And even valdate my suspicions that people
are losing the ability to parent their kids properly. I see it
everywhere from total neglect to parent wannabes that think they
can be their kids friend. Gawd that just makes me puke. Not saying
this is a fact for you. But you are dead wrong with your above
statement. You can do far better than hope.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I can only hope my kids never make a stupid decision such as the one these made.

This is prolly the same attitude that cost two young boys in
Sacremento Ca. thier lives. You are as wrong as you can possibly
be to say such a thing. And even valdate my suspicions that people
are losing the ability to parent their kids properly. I see it
everywhere from total neglect to parent wannabes that think they
can be their kids friend. Gawd that just makes me puke. Not saying
this is a fact for you. But you are dead wrong with your above
statement. You can do far better than hope.

Dead wrong how? I can't make them always do the right thing. I can teach and hope. Outside of keeping them inside my own house locked up 24/7, they make their own decisions and choices....I have raised them to make the right ones. Does that mean they always will? Nope. I parent my kids better than those I see in their schools and in public. They have manners and respect their elders, even sometimes when respect is not due, simply because they are older than my kids. My kids all have a healthy appreciation for consequences as I allow them to fail and sometimes get hurt so they can learn from their mistakes. But by the teenage years, if they don't know NOT to break into someone's home and steal something then yes, I can only HOPE something like this doesn't happen to them.

a reply to: rockflier

Regardless, anyone has the right, no the responsibility, to protect themselves to the best of their ability.

Why waste the space writing about something that is so obvious?
Of course this lady had the right to do everything she did. I find
no guilt with her at all? So save it, because it's obvious who is to
blame here. Parents are responsible for thier kids. G-D period.
The one kid was sporting a whopping 14 yrs for GAWDS sake.
Obviously he was the follower. So WTF is the problem you people
are having with remorse. Some ignorance just makes me wanna
smack people in the back of the head!

a reply to: randyvs

I believe I said it is a shame they lost their lives. Is that not an expression of remorse?
Feel free to smack away if you desire. Place and time at your discretion.

a reply to: rockflier

I didn't say or mean anyone in particular. But don't tempt me.

a reply to: randyvs
EDIT: Inappropriate response.

originally posted by: randyvs
The one kid was sporting a whopping 14 yrs for GAWDS sake.

14 Year Old Boy Murders Parents to Get Out of Chores
14 Year Old Girl Charged with Murder
Grandmother Testifies Against 14 Year Old Murdering Grandchild

I could keep going ... but you get the idea.
A 14 year old criminal breaking into your home could easily be a killer.

Can someone who is against this ladies action please tell me what the proper thing to do in this situation is? Play dead? Hide in a closet or beg for mercy? Using force to protect your life from an intruder seems like the only logical thing to do to protect yourself? Why should anyone expect a home invader to not be an immediate harm to you or your family?

a reply to: FlyersFan

And I don't get your post at all. So AND?

a shooter is bound by all the laws and concepts of morality to know exactly what they are shooting at
if they don'tr they are guilty of negligence or manslaughter or even murder
ask any real hunter.
or watch a real wstern ( did John Wayne ever shoot an unarmed man?...in any movie ever?)
geez, someplaces they paint COW on their cows when the americans come to hunt (true story)
millions of rounds per kill in IRAQ...(lots of dead children for nothing)

I suppose some will want argue with me when I say
shooting an unarmed non threat out of FEAR is the hight of low cowardice
but you won't see those keyboard warriors shooting at the swat teams when they come to the wrong house and its theirs...or shooting a cop while the cop shoots a homelessman for nothing.

however if threatened to the extent were one one's life is in actual danger :
blast away
eta
make sure though your move isn't racist...or that your assailants aren't illegals..
or the authorities might not do good justice
as we have seen

a reply to: Vasa Croe

"Teach and hope"? Lady I have taught my kids and I know they
wouldn't do anything like this ever. If you don't know yours
wouldn't? That's just wrong. I know other peoples kids that
I know wouldn't think of this ever. I know others that would.

a reply to: Danbones

Can one pre suppose that a person entering your residence by force poses a life threatening situation? If not, at what point does it become life threatening? At that point, would it be possible to defend oneself or merely accept that one's life is soon to end? All hypothetical, not a statement.

If anyone is to blame it's the parent. They raised their kids up till that point and if they'd have done a better job the kids wouldn't be doing # like this. You may see them push gun laws or what not but it's only deflections from self blame.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Vasa Croe

"Teach and hope"? Lady I have taught my kids and I know they
wouldn't do anything like this ever. If you don't know yours
wouldn't? That's just wrong. I know others people kids that
I know wouldn't think of this ever. I know others that would.

Likewise with my grown sons. 38 and 40 and they NEVER did crap like this. Having an Army Ranger for an old man did not hurt in that respect.

a reply to: rockflier

Without saying every kid needs an army ranger for
a dad, altho with some it would possibly be a vast
improvement. It sounds like you agree that you can
know your own kids. I'm sure you don't wake up every
day hoping neither of your boys robs a liquor store or
commits a homicide. I'm sure you know and would claim it
all the way to hell and back.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: rockflier

Without saying every kid needs an army ranger for
a dad, altho with some it would possibly be a vast
improvement. It sounds like you agree that you can
know your own kids. I'm sure you don't wake up every
day hoping neither of your boys robs a liquor store or
commits a homicide. I'm sure you know and claim it
all the way to hell and back.

To be honest, in my youth I probably needed a Ranger to discipline me. I was invited to join in 1968 due to some bad decisions in my life. I 100% knew my sons would never do these things. I would have bet my life on it. They both are Texas A&M graduates and professionals now. I do have to give credit to their mother for many of their values and behavior. I was deployed much of the time.They are raising my grandchildren with those same values.