Odessa slaughter: How vicious mob burnt anti-govt activists alive

a reply to: Vovin

PROVE that they were armed. PROVE that they were "attempting to overthrow government". PROVE that it was their "acknowledged headquarters".

PROVE that they weren't armed. PROVE that they were "not attempting to overthrow government." PROVE that it was not their "acknowledged headquarters."

I think Russia now has a duty to protect the people in the east of the Ukraine and to ensure that water is turned back on for the Crimea region because they are not $4bn behind on payment for water unlike the Ukraine who is still getting gas from Russia so lets not hear the "Gas as a political weapon" when Russia is forced to turn the gas off because Kiev now has money to pay a least a part of it's bill. Very reasonable for Russia if you ask me.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Vovin

PROVE that they were armed. PROVE that they were "attempting to overthrow government". PROVE that it was their "acknowledged headquarters".

PROVE that they weren't armed. PROVE that they were "not attempting to overthrow government." PROVE that it was not their "acknowledged headquarters."

I asked you to backup your claim about force being used by Russia in this so called war/invasion or what ever the word smiths want to call it because all I got was a picture of two old people that had been beaten up but were still able to walk unlike the 48 people that got burnt alive.

Show me burnt out tanks or russian tank shells embeded in building or even a few russian troops using force from a machine gun or anything because the only tanks I've seen are from Kiew and the same is true for all the military force being used in the Ukraine so far.

Indeed I am still wating for this "PROVE it"

a reply to: VirusGuard

I asked you to backup your claim about force being used by Russia in this war and all I got was a picture of two old people that had been beaten up but were still able to walk unlike the 48 people that got burnt alive.

If I put a gun to your head, I do not need to pull the trigger for it to be considered a violent crime. Russia admits to deploying its troops in Crimea. That was an act of violence. There is strong reason to believe that Russia has also arranged violence elsewhere, and may even have orchestrated the trade building massacre that you are so happy about.

Show me burnt out tanks or russian tank shells embeded in building or even a few russian troops using force from a machine gun or anything because the only tanks I've seen are from Kiew and the same is true for all the military force being used in the Ukraine so far.

Way to move the goal posts. How about this:

www.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: yuppa
Theres no need to argue Sidd. they will dissapear when ukrain is a russian puppet. We all know what they are but choose to let them keep spouting on and on so best to just post what you can and just ignore them from now on.

We need to think about this !

You suport the states view and have no facts or comments to back up what you are saying and accuse people that make coments and provide link, vids, pictures as "spouting" out.

Please offer up something, anything to suport this claim because we are all ears and would like your input to this adult converstaion if you could please

a reply to: VirusGuard

You suport the states view and have no facts or comments to back up what you are saying and accuse people that make coments and provide link, vids, pictures as "spouting" out.

And you do nothing but attack people who do not tow Moscow's line.

a reply to: DJW001

Russia admits to deploying its troops in Crimea. That was an act of violence.

I see well the USA admits to having military bases all over Europe so by your definition it must be an act of "violence" right !

The Crimea has Russian troops all over it now after the election and they were asked to come in but again being a bit of a words smith you want to rewrite what violence involves when it comes to troops !

Well charging down the streets in tanks and killing people with guns could be considered "violence" but not locking people inside a building and burning them alive, no that is just plain old murder, murder by the state in this case.

Why do you find having to think about allowing the people in the east of the country who have voted to break away from an unelected government so hard to deal with because after being bombed by the military and having nazi dogs set on them I can fully understand their feelings.

Is it voting you have trouble with and feel that they should seize power by force like in Kiev or just the fact that these people are not so much Pro Russian but Anti USA/EU

The deeds of Russia unless we are talking bed time stories don't seem to quite match up to this picture of being the aggressor else this thread would have lots of pictures with Russians in uniform attacking Kiev but it does have lots of images of the Ukraine military being around as people topple over dead so could it just be that you has backed a three legged hourse

And you do nothing but attack people who do not tow Moscow's line.

I debate people who have no facts to back up a claim and sorry don't see it as my love of Russia but more my dislike of the USA and the jewish bankers who now control every aspect of life in the US of A

Iraq, Libya, Afganistan have tasted american democracy in recent years all on the back of 9/11 lies and if you look at who the USA has invaded over the years or is killing people using drones because they are so big and brave then the world looks like it's had pepper thrown over it.

You won't find me trying to defend Mike Tyson for being a visious little animal and you won't find me defending the USA or its bankers for poking its nose in where its not needed.

a reply to: VirusGuard

They claimed that last week's Odessa Massacre was somehow Russia's fault. In fact, NATO's neo-Nazi thugs chased pro-Russia protestors into the Trade Unions Building, burned them to death, and strangled survivors trying to escape - the result, intentional or not, of another Operation Gladio false flag provocation.

USA insulting world's intelligence

They must really, REALLY think we're stupid.

Then again, if they can convince us that 19 debauched pseudo-Muslims led by a terminal kidney patient in a cave in Afghanistan could outwit the world's most advanced air defense systems and blow up three buildings with two planes, they have good reason to think we are stupid enough to believe almost anything.

I know some of you will never read the source, because Russia is responsible for everything!

a reply to: maghun

Russia is responsible for everything!

Well yes they keep moving the country closer to american missile systems in Europe but don't ask me why we have these missiles in Europe because no one I know likes or sees a reason for them being here but you won't here our politicains saying what the man on the streets says because they are all soaking up them bribes that US deligations keep bringing them.

Whats a few dozen burt dead men, woman and children when you get to buy a bran new Merc each year and you pass laws to protect yourself so no one can ever hold you to account.

originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: VirusGuard

They claimed that last week's Odessa Massacre was somehow Russia's fault. In fact, NATO's neo-Nazi thugs chased pro-Russia protestors into the Trade Unions Building, burned them to death, and strangled survivors trying to escape - the result, intentional or not, of another Operation Gladio false flag provocation.

USA insulting world's intelligence

They must really, REALLY think we're stupid.

Then again, if they can convince us that 19 debauched pseudo-Muslims led by a terminal kidney patient in a cave in Afghanistan could outwit the world's most advanced air defense systems and blow up three buildings with two planes, they have good reason to think we are stupid enough to believe almost anything.

I know some of you will never read the source, because Russia is responsible for everything!

They just have a look at who's posting and go from there, don't bother looking at the articles, pictures and videos posted, this thread has turned into a farce, with unsubstantiated theories being said like they are fact and actual evidence being shat on. I posted a video that shows the pro-Kiev supporters breaking in and starting a fire and taking the deceaseds passports so they couldn't be identified and all I got back is attacks on me.

All I can say is, for those who are researching and finding out the truth keep up the good fight.

a reply to: VirusGuard

I see well the USA admits to having military bases all over Europe so by your definition it must be an act of "violence" right !

No, it is only an act of violence when those troops mobilize to threaten the local populace.

The Crimea has Russian troops all over it now after the election and they were asked to come in but again being a bit of a words smith you want to rewrite what violence involves when it comes to troops !

No. If the US troops on Okinawa mobilized to threaten the locals, it would still be an act of violence.

Well charging down the streets in tanks and killing people with guns could be considered "violence" but not locking people inside a building and burning them alive, no that is just plain old murder, murder by the state in this case.

Having its thugs murder those people in that building was a stroke of genius on the part of the FSB.

Why do you find having to think about allowing the people in the east of the country who have voted to break away from an unelected government so hard to deal with because after being bombed by the military and having nazi dogs set on them I can fully understand their feelings.

The Nazi dogs are running the breakaway region now. Or are you not familiar with Pavel Gubarev's history?

Is it voting you have trouble with and feel that they should seize power by force like in Kiev or just the fact that these people are not so much Pro Russian but Anti USA/EU

I love voting. Problem is, it's not voting when there is only one option on the ballot.

The deeds of Russia unless we are talking bed time stories don't seem to quite match up to this picture of being the aggressor else this thread would have lots of pictures with Russians in uniform attacking Kiev but it does have lots of images of the Ukraine military being around as people topple over dead so could it just be that you has backed a three legged hourse

Again, the threat of violence is still violence. Also, just because they were not wearing uniforms does not mean that the men who burnt the trade union building down were not Russian soldiers.

I debate people who have no facts to back up a claim and sorry don't see it as my love of Russia but more my dislike of the USA and the jewish bankers who now control every aspect of life in the US of A

Thank you for acknowledging your anti-Semitism. Every day it becomes more clear who the real Nazis are.

Iraq, Libya, Afganistan have tasted american democracy in recent years all on the back of 9/11 lies and if you look at who the USA has invaded over the years or is killing people using drones because they are so big and brave then the world looks like it's had pepper thrown over it.

America was in the wrong invading those countries, just as Russia is in the wrong invading Ukraine. If you believe that the US was capable of killing 2,000 of its own citizens on 9/11, why are you having such a hard time believing that Russia would burn 20 Ukrainians alive?

You won't find me trying to defend Mike Tyson for being a visious little animal and you won't find me defending the USA or its bankers for poking its nose in where its not needed.

Me either. But why are you defending Russia poking its nose in where it is not needed?

Kiev protégé allegedly behind Mariupol and Odessa massacres – leaked tapes

On the first tape, which appeared on May 14, an oligarch and governor of the city of Dnepropetrovsk in southeastern Ukraine, Igor Kolomoisky, allegedly called ex-presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev and started threatening him. He told Tsarev to leave Ukraine immediately, saying it was in connection with the killing of Bogdan Shlemkevich, a soldier from Ukraine’s National Guard on May 9 in Mariupol, southeastern Ukraine. He was shot in clashes between anti-government protesters and soldiers sent by Kiev in an ‘antiterrorist’ operation in eastern Ukraine.

“Besides, it was he [Kolomoisky] who hired the guys in the Odessa [massacre]… the situation went out of control. Their task was to beat them [anti-government protesters] so they would be taken to hospital and to destroy the camp [on Kulikovo Pole Square] completely,” he said.

Kolomoisky is still in Odessa and the result of his actions is that 16 of those who survived the House of Trade Unions bloodshed in Odessa were killed during the next three days, the man who is believed to be Noginsky accuses the Dnepropetrovsk governor.

rt.com...

a reply to: sosobad

I was waiting for it... Sad but true...

The second leaked conversation, which also emerged on May 14, was between Oleg Noginsky, the president of the Suppliers of Customs Union, an organization which aims at increasing the turnover between Ukraine and the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and someone whom he called Yan Borisovich. Noginsky said that Kolomoisky’s actions are mad.

“Besides, it was he [Kolomoisky] who hired the guys in the Odessa [massacre]… the situation went out of control. Their task was to beat them [anti-government protesters] so they would be taken to hospital and to destroy the camp [on Kulikovo Pole Square] completely,” he said.

Kolomoisky is still in Odessa and the result of his actions is that 16 of those who survived the House of Trade Unions bloodshed in Odessa were killed during the next three days, the man who is believed to be Noginsky accuses the Dnepropetrovsk governor.

originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: sosobad

I was waiting for it... Sad but true...

Hear hear, people think I am posting here because of some hidden agenda but I am doing this because innocent people died that day and the accusations that they killed themselves sickening, those monsters in Kiev are out of control.

originally posted by: sosobad

USA insulting world's intelligence

Sorry but link is not working

Should I be clicking the link ! am I safe because it goes to PressTV and many governments think that I cannot be trusted to decide for my self if I agree with the contents and have banned PressTV from our screens.

Still i can always bang on about democracy and a free press I guess

Next it will be Russia Today they try to ban because the likes of the CNN/BBC simply cannot compete with truth

DJW001

No, it is only an act of violence when those troops mobilize to threaten the local populace.

Russia has not done any of that so you must be talking about the Kiev un-elected government

You seem to quote me and then try to anwser something else ???

Having its thugs murder those people in that building was a stroke of genius on the part of the FSB

Well I guess it sounds better than saying they poured petrol on themselves and lit it but I think the world has seen the pictures and they know who the guilty ones are even with western spin from our puppet news presenters.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Here is the corrected link, take the risk, see you in Guantanamo:

presstv

originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: VirusGuard

Here is the corrected link, take the risk, see you in Guantanamo:

presstv.com... ntelligence/

Not sure I still get a 404 from PressTV and I am using Tor but yes we are all terrorists now including the policeman killed in east Ukraine according to some news papers.

"see you in Guantanamo" Yes hope so because I want some of this $1m a year they say it costs to keep an inmate in that place if they cut me in on 1/50th of the cost but don't tell american tax payers will you now

Got th link to work in the end because the "intelligence" part of the URL was missing

From the sourse at PressTV

They must really, REALLY think we're stupid.

Then again, if they can convince us that 19 debauched pseudo-Muslims led by a terminal kidney patient in a cave in Afghanistan could outwit the world's most advanced air defense systems and blow up three buildings with two planes, they have good reason to think we are stupid enough to believe almost anything.

I bet its the same people that don't see the fighting in the Ukraine as being the fault of the USA and its $5bn are the same people (like me at the time) that still won't admit that the offical story on 9/11 is a pack of lies.

a reply to: yuppa
My english is too poor to defend myself. Be patient and you soon can find or the FSB (I think their spelling better than mine) will provide a video with subtitles too, but this is fresh...

If you don't trust the RT, trust people in any country who speaks more then one language, they can confirm or dismiss what is written on english after listening the leaked call.

Call between Oleg Noginsky, the president of the Suppliers of Customs Union and someone whom he called Yan Borisovich. Noginsky said that Kolomoisky’s actions are mad. (Igor Kolomoisky an oligarch and governor of the city of Dnepropetrovsk in southeastern Ukraine)

...give me Odessa (said Kolomoisky) and I will end the nonstop demonstration, like I did in Dnepropetrovsk, not a mouse will sticks out his nose from house...

...this is fact that in Odessa guys was hired by him, it was confirmed by other sources...

...maybe it was not his men, but the Avakov's...

...16 arrested Odessa residents was killed in the past three days who survived the massacre...

Володя сказал мне не пользоваться интернет -переводчиками, но я не послушался...

They ain't gonna listen or read it, the truth is now coming out, thank God because the scum that done this will burn in hell.