Boy, 8, Killed Defending Sister From Rapist

originally posted by: buster2010

So it would have been better for the boy to run away and leave his sister behind? It's obvious the man had already grabbed the girl and the boy came to her defense. The boy did the right thing and paid for it with his life. Whether you believe it or not there are times when a person has to make stand no matter what age you are and this boy made one.

There are times when I can't help but think that part of the "good old days" was because even HUGE information was so hard to get out to the public on a national level that 'small' stories like this stayed local. As a parent and grandparent, it's hard to read news like this.

That said, I agree with you. It might be true that in thousands of cases the best advice would be to run and make noise. From what I could glean from the newsclip, running away would almost certainly have guaranteed his sister was found dead. Any slug that would hit a little boy in the head with a brick wouldn't think twice about killing the girl after he was done with her...

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: nenothtu

Chuck?

Is it really you?

SHHHH!

Keep 'em guessing!

Under your username, it says "insist on the impossible".

I do.

This boy had the heart of a lion, and I see people here expecting him to have acted contrary to his nature, and run away like a lamb.

Leopards don't change their spots, nor do they don the wool of sheep. Sometimes their hide gets hung out to dry...

... but they were still leopards.

What is in our hearts makes us what we ARE - even if only briefly.

a reply to: SirDrinksalot

I agree. Sexual offenders are the one sort of criminal that can't be cured or deterred. The objective in x-ing them out is not deterrence of others, it's eliminating the danger THAT ONE presents. If they are eliminated, then THAT ONE will never do it again.

It's not about vengeance or deterrence. It's about protecting society, our women and children, from dangerous predators.

This boy GAVE HIS LIFE in defense of his own. Make that count - eliminate the threat that did him in. Don't allow that predator to get at any more kids.

originally posted by: Expat888

seen several eight year olds here in asia who are quite capable of defending themselves against an adult as they start young learning martial arts in the traditional manner.
Trained mine as they were growing up same as was trained by my father and grandfather when I was young.
Even so I wont train a student outside my clan and definetly would never accept a non-japanese as a student as its a great responsibility and the teacher accountable for the character and actions of the student.

In western countries things are different .. parents dont teach their children ..

Mine did. Same as his dad did for him. Same as I did for my own son. No one knows where grandpa learned it - that was nearly a century ago, in the Appalachians, where Asian martial arts had not yet penetrated. We're not Asians but we ARE pretty clannish. Consensus seems to be that it came down through the Indian branches of the family tree, father to son.

Sixty pounds of fury can ruin a grown man's day if properly applied.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Absolutely. The last thing a rapist wants is attention while he is committing his crime. He might have abandoned the attack in order to protect himself from discovery.

Thank you, kindly. Another voice of reason singing out.

You are the first person here to reply (to me) with that direct observation that a child screaming for help is the best way to scare off predators.

Like , WOW…

I have a differing viewpoint. Screaming, for help or otherwise, is the best way to get a predator to silence the screamer.

a reply to: buster2010

Looks like they have caught someone who may have done the killing.

It was mentioned in the first article you linked in your OP that a teenage boy was found and was having medical attention and awaiting arrest.

I am not ready to judge another child to hell or death like almost all poster have for the first 3 pages,

Its gets everyone's emotions all out of wack when such an incident happens involving children, I pity the world when so many are so quick to judge another child to a slow and painful death and eternity in hell before trying to gain any understanding. Try not to allow your emotions to guide you at times when such horrors occur, many times judgements are made in this fashion they are regretted and cant be taken back.

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

If you are apologizing to me If I feel attacked by you then, I believe you.

So, can you just let me feel what I feel and do what I choose to do?

Not if you wish to 'feel' in a public place and your 'feeling' generally helps to fuel misdirected anger/hatred at someone who probably had as little control over his urge to rape&kill than the little boy had over his urge to defend his sister then no, you can do it but sometimes with commentary.

I have my reasons just as you have yours in responding to my post.

Let's just leave it at that.

IN fact you seem to have 'feelings' , like most people, without having really well reasoned arguments for why you have them. I know ATS is turning into hugfests/hate fests more and more as the years go by but occasionally someone will come by to point out how utterly ludicrous it all looks.

I will try to clarify as to why it not only looks ludicrous but is.

Stellar

a reply to: nenothtu

I have a differing viewpoint. Screaming, for help or otherwise, is the best way to get a predator to silence the screamer.

Not if the child is running away and yelling. Now the perp has to release the girl, pick up that brick and give chase. Hmmm…

Lets see what a cowards choices are.

originally posted by: learnatic
a reply to: buster2010

This kind of thing does make me weep

Could not read past your post, there really are some bastards in this world.

Hearing a story like this just boils my blood. The death penalty can not even begin to pay this scumbag back for the horrific acts he has committed.

This is saddening can we not post senseless depressing topics like this. I don't think there is a discussion to be had here and I'm gonna stop coming here for a week and hope this isn't the #1 front page story still

All of you morons posting about what this 8 yr old kid should or shouldn't have done need to get a life.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale

It was mentioned in the first article you linked in your OP that a teenage boy was found and was having medical attention and awaiting arrest.

I am not ready to judge another child to hell or death like almost all poster have for the first 3 pages,

I am.

Predators prey. It's what they do, young or old.

Baby rattlesnakes are no more cuddly than adult rattlesnakes. In fact, I'm informed that they are even more dangerous.

Speaking of "emotional response", you may, of course, allow the juvenile predators to play at your heartstrings to your heart's content, and raise them to be the adult predators you would like them to be.

I am of a different mind.

a reply to: Expat888

If you think martial arts can save an 8 year old from an adult you've seen one too many Disney movies.

a reply to: nenothtu

Lions run. Not sure why you think they don't. They also abandon their young in dangerous situations because they can just make more.

Male lion cubs hide when rival males enter the territory.

I think you've been looking at to many motivational posters.

originally posted by: StellarX

Not if you wish to 'feel' in a public place and your 'feeling' generally helps to fuel misdirected anger/hatred at someone who probably had as little control over his urge to rape&kill than the little boy had over his urge to defend his sister then no, you can do it but sometimes with commentary.

Oh, I see - it's all OK because the guy had no real control over the situation. My bad. I retract all of my statements - I just didn't realize it was all ok because he was just out of control. I feel bad that I "misdirected anger" at a poor, misunderstood guy whose only real crime is being a psychopath.

Society as a whole would be so much better if we just learned to turn the other cheek to the psychos in our midst, wouldn't it? I mean, after all, we can always make more kids to replace the damaged ones, right?

IN fact you seem to have 'feelings' , like most people, without having really well reasoned arguments for why you have them. I know ATS is turning into hugfests/hate fests more and more as the years go by but occasionally someone will come by to point out how utterly ludicrous it all looks.

I will try to clarify as to why it not only looks ludicrous but is.

Yes, let's clarify "ludicrous", shall we? Here we go:

"Sorry 'bout the dead kid and the raped one and all, but you see, I just didn't have any control, so it's OK. I mean, really, you gotta sometimes commit a little light mayhem to work up an appetite before supper, you know? Wasn't my fault - they shouldn't have been such easy targets. It's all THEIR fault, ya know? Sorry 'bout that. Here's a cookie. Shouldn't you be getting to work on making some more victims for me? Supper comes every day, you know, and I've got that whole self control issue..."

Yes, ludicrous indeed!

a reply to: raymundoko
A kid that knows how to deliver a fast and well-aimed kick with power to the nuts can stop just about any man momentarily. It's not all about knowing how to hit, but also where to hit that counts.

a reply to: nenothtu

Speaking of "emotional response", you may, of course, allow the juvenile predators to play at your heartstrings to your heart's content, and raise them to be the adult predators you would like them to be.

My heart aint no harp with strings to be played. Its obvious who's heart strings are being pulled in this thread.


But you can go ahead and assume as much as you judge, you are of a different mind like you say.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: nenothtu

I have a differing viewpoint. Screaming, for help or otherwise, is the best way to get a predator to silence the screamer.

Not if the child is running away and yelling. Now the perp has to release the girl, pick up that brick and give chase. Hmmm…

Lets see what a cowards choices are.

First, I'd like to preface my comments with the statement that I am very glad you've not had to deal with many predatory psychopaths in your day. Really, I am. It would be great if none of us ever had to, and I'm really, seriously glad that you haven't.

You have two victims. One is running and screaming, one isn't. What to do? Silence the screaming one to avoid detection until you're done with your deeds. How do you do it? really, that's a judgement call where judgement is in short supply. You either abandon one to kill the other, then return, OR you incapacitate the first so it can't get away, then deal with the second and return, OR you simply drag the first along by the hair when you go to silence the second.

Psychopaths are psychopaths because they don't think like normal folks. Hence the "psycho" part of the "pathology". Remorse and fear are not part of their normal makeup. It's hard to get one to run away without injuring it. Promising a certain detection when it hasn't even completed it's task is not the best way to go about it - it thinks the risk was all for nothing then.

Psychopaths hate that sort of thing. They hate going to jail for something they never got to finish.

I am hoping that the monster is caught and I am looking forward to another "botched" execution. I can bring the chips and dips. Should we set up a cheering section?

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: raymundoko
A kid that knows how to deliver a fast and well-aimed kick with power to the nuts can stop just about any man momentarily. It's not all about knowing how to hit, but also where to hit that counts.

Not only that, but a blinded man has a terribly difficult time chasing you when you run away. A forehead to the bridge of a nose does wonders sometimes for giving one a head start on the flight part of the fight or flight (or sometimes fight AND flight) response.

My son momentarily blinded me once when he was about two years old like that - and he was only playing at the time!