Black Triangles: The Worst Kept Secret

a reply to: drneville

Sad to see the old beast come to such an ignominious end.

Looks like the middle part of an F-14 with the back and front missing.

a reply to: Junkheap

It went down in the ocean and they recovered it. Probably trying to land. They had a real issue with the engines for awhile.

a reply to: drneville

Thank you. Easy to see the F-14 belly now.

Thought that pic was too good to be true.

a reply to: jrod
No problem, Phage has debunked this photo several times I tought here on ATS.

Best regards

originally posted by: KnightLight

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: KnightLight
It didn't have enough volume to produce lift using "lighter than air."

Wouldn't that depend entirely upon its mass?

You can buy very small mylar RC balloons with motors and batteries that have plenty of lift.

Seeing something at 200 feet in the air and right above you over many minutes makes you know things. It was a solid triangle. Think of filling a chinook with hydrogen and tell me does that float? If there were pilots and they turned on the cockpit lights I would have seen their faces.

Yes. A blimp in the shape of a Chinook will float. Why wouldn't it?

Let's recap what is known by direct observation of these craft:

1. They are very large, perhaps 300 feet across.
2. They can move silently.
3. They can hover or drift in defiance of gravity.
4. They can maneuver in a manner inconsistent with the conservation of momentum.
5. They have tremendous acceleration and speed.
6. Their appearance, performance and size does not conform to any known terrestrial technology.

Without linking to the usual articles about these craft, let me summarize the consensus explanation
for the "black triangles".

1. They are terrestrial in origin, and are a black project of the U.S. government.
2. They produce a gravity warp field, which may or may not be back-engineered alien technology.
3. They are propelled by jet thrusters which my be nuclear powered.
4. They have a top speed of at least Mach 11.
5. They are most likely capable of achieving orbit, and photographs exist of black triangles in space.

All kinds of wild rumors are floating around about the black triangles. They have been observed by
literally thousands of people. Of course separating the real from the lunatic fringe is very difficult,
because this breakthrough technology is something our government wants very much to keep
a secret. My opinion is that the black triangles are the result of decades of research into the
alien crashed saucers the government has in it's possession. Although I would like to know all
about them, we have seen how quickly stealth aircraft and drones have been copied by less than
friendly countries, with varying success. Like the stealth aircraft, the black triangles will eventually
be acknowledged, although the details will remain classified until they are obsolete.

originally posted by: Parthin

My my...how well they have done their job!

Some Reality then...

Let's recap what is known by direct observation of these craft:

1. They are very large, perhaps 300 feet across.

No sorry, they not that big...Wingspan about 62 ft, length around 55ft, and a little more than 6 ft thick.

2. They can move silently.
3. They can hover or drift in defiance of gravity.

yep...

4. They can maneuver in a manner inconsistent with the conservation of momentum.

Well, no such thing as "conservation of momentum", but, they are for all practical intent and purpose inertialess.

5. They have tremendous acceleration and speed.
6. Their appearance, performance and size does not conform to any known terrestrial technology.

Well...actually not so much true...the technology used while a bit exotic, is publically known.

Without linking to the usual articles about these craft, let me summarize the consensus explanation
for the "black triangles".

1. They are terrestrial in origin, and are a black project of the U.S. government.

Yes!

2. They produce a gravity warp field, which may or may not be back-engineered alien technology.

Sort of...they use artificial gravity generator, and a Heim - Lorentz Drive system.

3. They are propelled by jet thrusters which my be nuclear powered.

No! jet thrusters would make noise, and they would not be silent. itegrating a nuclear power plant is rather impractical, and has not been done. For instance...just the "core" of a reactor is the size of a large bathroom. Now you need a steam plant, cooling control systems...to use a nuclear power system in a flying machine would make that machine ot likely to ever enter an atmosphere. And, the craft would be the size of an aircraft carrier...but that's okay...they have one of those too.

4. They have a top speed of at least Mach 11.
5. They are most likely capable of achieving orbit, and photographs exist of black triangles in space.

The small craft are capable of far greater speeds than Mach 11...a sustained acceleration of 5G for 15 min would result in something over 100,000 mph...probably not do that in atmo, but Mach 11 on demand? Sure!

There is little to no reversed engineered technology in modern Terrestrial spacecraft.





Here is a link to the technology / science used for the propulsion system: www.hpcc-space.de...

This Heim - Lorentz Drive is the only exotic component in the system. Virtually all of the rest is "off-the-shelf" aircraft / spacecraft components.

a reply to: tanka418

Actually they don't use antigravity.

This aircraft is not one of the triangles, its completely conventional.

a reply to: tanka418

PS. there are triangles that don't look anything like rendering you have depicted there. The one's with the single light at each corner and nothing else are real. I doubt its called a TR3b and it probably don't work like how they say it does, nor does it look like the way fouche describes. But they are real.

Also, where is your rendering from it looks cool.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: tanka418

Actually they don't use antigravity.

This aircraft is not one of the triangles, its completely conventional.

You are correct; no antigravity!

Antigravity does not exist.

They use an artificial gravity, and they are far from conventional...unless you know of a conventional craft that can make orbit.

And, it is the only "triangle" Earth has that can do what "black triangles" are purported to do, any other craft doing these things are not Terrestrial, and belong to one of the Four visiting species.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: tanka418

PS. there are triangles that don't look anything like rendering you have depicted there. The one's with the single light at each corner and nothing else are real. I doubt its called a TR3b and it probably don't work like how they say it does, nor does it look like the way fouche describes. But they are real.

Also, where is your rendering from it looks cool.

You mean these?



The "TR3B"...sorry man, they do not exist, never have...just wild stories.


The render: is of an elongated X-47 (125%) against an image (for the first one) of a UFO purportedly sighted recently in Oklahoma. When I saw the angle of the nose I recognized it . By-the-way; this "elongated" X-47 is the closest real world craft I could find. However, there are technical reasons that a triangle spacecraft would look very much like this. Some have to do with stealth, others address operational features. The bottom line is that any / all successful Terrestrial "triangle" spacecraft will "look" fundamentally like this one.

I was at first concerned that this was not quite a real as I would like, but; the sighting over Oklahoma and it's photo tend to confirm this craft specifically. There is not another "plane" with the same angle in the nose. Also the rest of the craft "fits" pretty much like a glove, and the "contrails" are also rather appropriate for a plane with a cryo plant in it.

a reply to: tanka418

The craft in the first picture you used above is completely conventional. I'm pretty sure something that uses gravity propulsion isn't going to leave contrails.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: tanka418

The craft in the first picture you used above is completely conventional. I'm pretty sure something that uses gravity propulsion isn't going to leave contrails.

Show us the craft!

Seriously...if you have a candidate; I'd like to try and find a 3D model and examine it...

a reply to: tanka418

So you're saying a gravity drive leaves contrails like a normal turbofan engine?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The original picture is in that thread. Its a classified prototype flying over Wichita.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: tanka418

So you're saying a gravity drive leaves contrails like a normal turbofan engine?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The original picture is in that thread. Its a classified prototype flying over Wichita.

Sorry, my bad; thought it was over Oklahoma...

Still...This craft of "mine" fits rather well...

It has the angle (nose), and size. And, I'm pretty sure a cryo plant that is producing around 4.7 degrees K (kelvin) will produce significant condensation in an atmosphere.

In any case, in the absence of other data...

I really would like other data!

Dude. We know what the craft is in the mystery plane over Wichita thread. We just aren't going to come out and spoil it for everyone else. But trust us when we say you are wrong. Wrong about your speculations as to what the plane is in the photo. Wrong about the flying triangles with the lights on each corner.

Also, Why are you so sure they (triangles) don't exist. Just curious.

a reply to: tanka418

I would say your bird looks more like the KINGFISHER or Navy FXX wingless job and your rendering is a concept sketch of a model, a TR3 is big SHARP and a perfect triangle with camo on it for optical stealth. Too many observers have confirmed the size here.

It would be used mostly to transport outside of any WHITE system I would guess so where it flies is redundant.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR



Dude. We know what the craft is in the mystery plane over Wichita thread. We just aren't going to come out and spoil it for everyone else. But trust us when we say you are wrong. Wrong about your speculations as to what the plane is in the photo. Wrong about the flying triangles with the lights on each corner.

Also, Why are you so sure they (triangles) don't exist. Just curious.

Horse!

So far y'all have presented no data, and now a lame excuse.

There can be no trust without data.

a reply to: tanka418

ON A SECRET AIR CRAFT?
WAIT... do you think the Phoenix lights were FLARES?