Black Triangles: The Worst Kept Secret

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: crazyewok

Some are new, some have been around for a while, but I'm just learning about them. At least two have been around for years, but I'm not sure how many.

Ok then thanks for the information.

Its always appreciated

Almost makes me want a 2nd cold war to see some of the toys fast tracked

a reply to: Zaphod58

As far as you know, do these methods all rely on known physics?

a reply to: Tajlakz

As far as I know, but my physics background sucks badly. When it came time for me to learn it, my brain said "screw you" and went on vacation.

I'm of the opinion that these unidentified triangle type craft are both terrestrial in origin and true unknowns. I'm sure there are triangular shaped black op projects that will blow our minds when they are finally unveiled one of which may be called the TR3B.

Now, to counter argue the point that every single triangle craft sighted is a TR3B as many seem want to claim. First, as has already been mentioned prior, why would one fly a "secret" craft in a populated area. They have always taken great pains in every other black project not to do this. These high level secret classification cats are not stupid and will not risk blowing the cover by operating their toys over populated areas while they are still black.

Secondly, the Belgian type triangles, which I have personally witnessed once, do not fly with navigation lights. This is in direct violation of FAA regulations and no sane professional pilot would risk doing. Even more ridiculous would be operating a highly classified multi-billion dollar secret craft in a crowded civil airspace over an urban area without navigation lights like the Triangle I saw was doing. Nav lights may be turned off in Military Operations Areas(MOAs) only for obvious reasons, but MOAs are in not place over the vast majority of this country's airspace so they must fly with nav lights on for their safety and the safety of other aircraft.

Some triangular craft are ours, but the best triangular craft are theirs IMHO.

a reply to: pdawg67

Flying low and obvious over populated areas is the typical mode of operation for these craft apparently. It makes one wonder why the military would showboat its unacknowledged super-secret high technology within spitting distance of hoards of random civilians.

a reply to: zazen

You're right Zazen. If they are black ops crafts of terrestrial origin, why are they flying low and slow over populated areas with no nav lights. Green on starboard and red on port are very important in conveying heading information to other aircraft. In fact, I've never witnessed an aircraft flying at night w/o nav lights. I live in an area with many military, commercial, and private aircraft operating on a regular basis. I've many observational hours accumulated over the years of a variety of aircraft. These triangles are like nothing else.

Whatever they are, they are most definitely real.

a reply to: pdawg67

The lights are for collision avoidance purposes. But what if they knew where all the aircraft around them were, and were able to avoid them easily?

Just throwing a hypothetical out there.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I do wonder how some Ufo's are easily avoiding planes, especially some of the faster ones at such great speeds. How a speeding ufo doesn't punch right through a plane like a meteorite. The craft must have some powerful guidance system, as well as the pilot having quick reflexes to fly such things.

Radar could easily be deflected by the special plating they put on stealth bombers an such, so it would be easy to say a ufo of hi-tech could easily just creep.

a reply to: Specimen

Really good sensors. And the fact that when not in combat stealth aircraft fly with antennas exposed, and are about as stealthy as a barn door.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm guessing most stealth craft are capable of going higher speeds and altitude. They wouldn't be good for dog fighting, and would be more or less just strike, or shock tactics. They couldn't turn as easily compared to regular fighting flying machines could they, due to their speed?

A slow, low flying craft though would have some advantages in urban, and rough terrain areas, as they could hide behind obstructions.

a reply to: Specimen

The B-2 is fairly low speed, and not super maneuverable. The F-22 on the other hand is capable of high speed, and super maneuverability, and operates at very high altitudes. Neither is capable of the kind of speed that would cause their turn radius to be huge, like the SR-71 was.

a reply to: Zaphod58

That's one thing about jets is they could hover and reach high speeds, which is one of the advantages of helicopters have. The obvious problem with helicopters is that they are loud and slow compared to jets. The blackbird was capable of going to space, and probably didn't have to worry about be taken out from above.

A craft that could stop dead center in the air, kinda would have an easier time dodging missiles since, if it were capable could dash/dart fast enough. Since missiles are meant to go fast.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Zaphod, I totally agree with you on that hypothetical. Even our earthly aircraft have very sophisticated avionics that are capable of incredible things. God only knows what a UFO has available to it, and to us if we reverse engineered anything.

I watched a documentary on the B2 stealth bomber recently, and when they go dark they do not allow any standard RF emissions for any reason. I'm sure they have some highly classified spread spectrum stuff and/or passive detection stuff as that would be difficult to detect, but the pilots seemed dead serious on staying dark as a B2 is dead to rites if it ever gets discovered. The plane is chock full of classified technology that is continuously updated.

I've also read of the Chinese investigating the use of standard AM radio transmissions to detect our stealth aircraft via the disturbances they create in the RF field. There are also passive detection systems that use cell phone system RF emmisions as a radar substitute. Our air is full of RF from a variety of sources which interacts with all objects, and I'm sure much classified work is being done on all sides in the use of passive RF object detection technology.

However, the FAA does require the use of nav lights in non-MOA areas. Even in that B2 documentary, they ran with nav lights until they went into the operations zone. My knowledge of nav lights usefulness comes from marine experience. Just by looking at them you can tell how you and the other craft are heading to or from each other and get course information. I've also spent enough time in small aircraft with highly competent pilots and have learned quite a bit from them. I'm basically a sponge when it comes to knowledge.

However, I would deem your hypothetical as most probably true though the technology is highly classified and probably based on passive RF detection technology. These are just pure idle speculations of mine based on my RF knowledge acquired over the years.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you for your comments Zaphod. The sum of all your replies in this thread paints a very interersting picture, much appreciated.

I've also read of the Chinese investigating the use of standard AM radio transmissions to detect our stealth aircraft via the disturbances they create in the RF field. There are also passive detection systems that use cell phone system RF emmisions as a radar substitute. Our air is full of RF from a variety of sources which interacts with all objects, and I'm sure much classified work is being done on all sides in the use of passive RF object detection technology.

Indeed, low frequency RF and passive 'background' RF may be able to 'detect' stealth aircraft, but it probably isn't often good enough to clearly identify and track in any sustainable & militarily significant way, such as to launch missiles or intercepting aircraft accurately. There's a reason why radar typically uses the frequency bands that it does.

In a conflict scenario, the uh, target of the B-2 is likely to be expecting something anyway. And the US side would be using jamming or spoofing technology as well. So saying "Hey there's a chance there's something up there, but we're not really sure and we can't be too precise about bearing or altitude or speed, so uhm....."

originally posted by: zazen
a reply to: pdawg67

Flying low and obvious over populated areas is the typical mode of operation for these craft apparently. It makes one wonder why the military would showboat its unacknowledged super-secret high technology within spitting distance of hoards of random civilians.

Cognitive stealth. Potentially the super-secret high-technology aircraft might actually be quite vulnerable to enemy action in some circumstances, for instance a dirigible/electrostatic drive platform. If you make people think that weird stuff that acts like this is from outer space ET's, then somebody on the ground might be less likely to shoot at it.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: cavtrooper7

The tech is above WHAT WE KNOW OF. Just because we don't know it exists doesn't mean it can't. There is stuff out there that I've found out about that would have had me saying there was no way, if it had come from anywhere else. It was later revealed when outside tech was almost caught up.

There is new tech out there now that's impressive as hell that we'd say no way does it exist if we found out about it.

Not doubting it but surely all of the evolutionary variety - for a vehicle to exhibit the characteristics in many of the large black triangle cases it would need to be a step above revolutionary, any hints of anything along those lines ?

If I can see these planes (second part video) maneuverability 25 years ago, I wonder what they could do now

originally posted by: chunder

Not doubting it but surely all of the evolutionary variety - for a vehicle to exhibit the characteristics in many of the large black triangle cases it would need to be a step above revolutionary, any hints of anything along those lines ?

Yep sure...here's a "hint"...Heim-Lorentz drive systems...though not "revolutionary", this is called "novel science / physics" and is fully capable of producing machines just like your "black triangles"

Though I was under the impression that the technology wasn't developed quite enough to produce a craft that could hover.

a reply to: tanka418


Zaph is still working so I am aware he won't say what he can't.WE want that WEIRD stuff ,I KNOW we should have been using magnetics by now instead of combustion,but they hid Tesla's science.So money is still the preverbal "Root" here.