FBI Releases Heavily Blacked Out Sandy Hook Records

I've noticed comments about info that was redacted might be used to prevent such in the future.

1. The Oligarchy has a vested interest in setting such things up, if not actually lighting the fires and micro-managing them in toto.

2. The Oligarchy has INSURED an epidemic of horrendous proportions of very hideous levels of ATTACHMENT DISORDER . . . concomitant with neutering men and healthy masculinity.

3. IF one wants to prevent such . . . INSURE that HEALTHY PARENTS--particularly healthy FATHERS rear their children WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT ATTACHMENT DISORDER. It would solve a LONG list of problems, including this one.

4. True, the Oligarchy might still create very dangerous creatins off in some lab somewhere and bus them in . . .

Nevertheless, the bulk of the problem and a list of others would be solved, nonexistent.

EVERY such incident has included fairly huge levels of ATTACHMENT DISORDER on the part of the perpetrators.

Though there are some other disturbing commonalities, too--those other factors can often be tied to RAD [Reactive Attachment Disorder], as well.

originally posted by: iamhobo

Why even release something like this?! It's completely useless -- unless of course there IS something to hide..

You're absolutely correct. Why take the time and effort to release something completely useless unless they wanted to reopen old wounds.

originally posted by: tide88
a reply to: UnBreakable

Redaction index

Here is a redaction index for sandy hook. Not completely sure if it is directly related to the latest report, but it will give you an idea of what exactly is left out and why.

Yeah, that would be a “no, not directly related to the latest report”.
But I'm glad to see that you're using Google – that's a start.

Now, try reading the 9+ Books of the CSP Final Report.
When you do, you'll notice a particular redaction index that keeps appearing.
That would be número 12 on your list above, btw.
Number 12 references section 8.b of Article 1 of the Connecticut Constitution.
Let's analyze just that one, for starters:

Article I, § 8b – Rights of victims of crime
b. In all criminal prosecutions, a victim, as the General Assembly may define by law, shall have the following rights:

1. The right to be treated with fairness and respect throughout the criminal justice process.
   The criminal justice process was essentially concluded when the shooter eliminated his own map, by shooting himself in the back of the head, in December of 2012.
   
2. The right to timely disposition of the case following arrest of the accused, provided no right of the accused is abridged
   Something tells me this won't be a problem.
   
3. The right to be reasonably protected from the accused throughout the criminal justice process
   Shouldn't be a problem
   
4. The right to notification of court proceedings
   There will be no court proceedings. The shooter's dead.
   
5. The right to attend the trial and all other court proceedings the accused has the right to attend, unless such person is to testify and the court determines that such person's testimony would be materially affected if such person hears other testimony
   No proceedings, no testimony, no court. The shooter's dead, remember?!
   
6. The right to communicate with the prosecution
   There won't be a prosecution because there'll be no indictment. They'll be no indictment because ... take a guess.
   
7. The right to object to or support any plea agreement entered into by the accused and the prosecution and to make a statement to the court prior to the acceptance by the court of the plea of guilty or nolo contendere by the accused
   Guess what ... no plea agreements either.
   
8. The right to make a statement to the court at sentencing
   Too late. The shooter sentenced himself to an eternity of playing Dance Dance Revolution in Hell...
   
9. The right to restitution which shall be enforceable in the same manner as any other cause of action or as otherwise provided by law and
   As well as the right to a portion of the millions upon millions of dollars in donations too, SMDH
   
10. The right to information about the arrest, conviction, sentence, imprisonment and release of the accused. The General Assembly shall provide by law for the enforcement of this subsection. Nothing in this subsection or in any law enacted pursuant to this subsection shall be construed as creating a basis for vacating a conviction or ground for appellate relief in any criminal case.
    This would work ...you know, if the shooter wasn't dead.
    
    
     
    
    ^anybody want to attempt to point out the legit reasons for redactions contained in the above list?
    What a joke.
    

    
    
    BTW, full pages could be pictures of the homicide victims.

    
    Except that they're not. W. Cario's photos are already accounted for and comprise 1/900th of the 100% blacked-out carbon-laden redacted pages that were a part of this travesty released by Sedensky.

I do a TON of FOIA work, and have obtained well over 500 files from the FBI in the past 2-3 years. Certain things - like the names of the living (this includes law enforcement officials) - by law HAVE to be redacted. Other information, by law, has to be redacted. The more recent the file, the more redactions one encounters. I've obtained files that are 40 or 50 years old and not been able to make full sense of them due to the redactions. What's here is in no way a "cover up" (and while I agree there's many strange things about Sandy Hook, this file is typical of FOIA). While people here complained "why bother release this," the fact is, this is the best you can get via FOIA. Sometimes, as a reseacher, you have to fill in the blanks.

originally posted by: tide88
No, the public doesn't have right to know everything. The victims families and those directly involved do. I would be livid if a photo of deceased child or information on how he died was public information readily available.

why?

why don't we have the right to know the fullness of it? why don't we have the right to verify these things ourselves?

why would you be so angry about that? do you have something against knowledge? why do you want people to remain ignorant?

Police, Fed. Law Enforcement, Local, State, and Federal government....they're all so corrupt, and lied to us so many times....they've lost most, if not all, of their credibility.....people don't trust them to tell the truth anymore, or do the right thing anymore....why is it so wrong to want to verify things ourselves? why simply take the "official story" at face value, when we know how dishonest and self-serving the institutions that are presenting it to us, are?

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Thanks, Tide, interesting indeed. I guess my next question then is why redact in the first place, if an index is available. Unless of course, they figure John Q. Public is just too lazy to look into any further than what is provided in the FOI docs.

might have something to do with the redaction index being the master index for the report issued by the SCP...and what we're looking at in this thread is FBI documents...i don't think these documents HAVE a redaction index, so there's no REAL way for us to get any kind of idea of what they're actually not letting us see...

Don't you get it guys. Were all screwed unless we fight. The government has you tied up to their finger, all they have to do is cause a crisis and blame it on someone else.

originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: tide88
No, the public doesn't have right to know everything. The victims families and those directly involved do. I would be livid if a photo of deceased child or information on how he died was public information readily available.

why?

why don't we have the right to know the fullness of it? why don't we have the right to verify these things ourselves?

why would you be so angry about that? do you have something against knowledge? why do you want people to remain ignorant?

Police, Fed. Law Enforcement, Local, State, and Federal government....they're all so corrupt, and lied to us so many times....they've lost most, if not all, of their credibility.....people don't trust them to tell the truth anymore, or do the right thing anymore....why is it so wrong to want to verify things ourselves? why simply take the "official story" at face value, when we know how dishonest and self-serving the institutions that are presenting it to us, are?

I'm not angry, per say, but I am a father of a three year old daughter and when I put myself in the victims shoes, it's a bit unsettling what some people here claim they have a right to.

Also, the fact that you think I have some sort of inside knowledge, shows how delusional you are. Just because someone voices a different view than yours, doesn't make them a part of an alleged conspiracy.



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Well, they completely bulldozed the area, they erased it. Then, they put up a memorial with illuminati symbolism(little kid displaying the all seeing eye). The official story has so many holes in it. The parents don't act right on camera. Something isn't right about Sandy Hook.

a reply to: tide88

firstly, i never implied that you have some sort of inside knowledge, nor did i imply that you are part of any conspiracy...

secondly, i think people who do bad things, and then cover them up, depend on certain sensibilities to squash dissenting opinions, and inquiries..

it's to the point where "men in black" are no longer necessary, as the majority of the citizenry have been conditioned to fill that role..

a reply to: tide88

You can put yourself into those peoples shoes?

Frankly, NOONE has ever seen families of any tragic event act ANYTHING like what has been seen here.

I cannot find any way imaginable to see myself or anyone behave in the manner of this entire event.

Scary that you can.......

a reply to: BO XIAN

Whether it is intentional or not by the oligarchy, as you claim, I am not so sure. I've read a series of discussions about the issues with school shooters in the past and it seems that those papers indicate a drive to prevent recurrence. I do think that there is an interest in keeping society rather disconnected however so the one could be the negative and undesirable consequence of the other.

The attachment disorder is kind of an interesting facet. What I've seen repeated in much of the scholarly discourse on the subject is that many of these young men felt isolated even when they were active in school groups and had many friends. I'm not so sure if it still quite fits as many of the young men in the past had objects of love. Kinkel loved his parents intensely and cited the reason for his murdering them was to protect them from the knowledge of what he had become. His confession is actually available on youtube though I put a hefty caution about listening to it as it is extraordinarily rough to listen to.

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My guess is the attachment disorder perception may be derived from the flat or blank faces that many of them purportedly had during their shootings. I'd suggest that that appearance may have been from a temporary state of depersonalization/derealization during their actual instigation of their plans and/or fantasies. Many of these young men who survived immediately expressed extreme emotional distress, including confusion and horror at their own behavior and a desire to die or be killed as punishment. It was like a massive dam breaking. Columbine was the anomaly in this.

ADAM LANZA. Why didn't they redact his name?

Now it's good enough for government to tell the public so-and-so committed a mass murder and offer absolutely NO PROOF of it.

They could not match ANY of the bullets to the purported murder weapon.
DNA evidence is far from conclusive in proving Lanza shot anyone.
He also had no motive. no prior record.

Yet officials tell us he shot his mother and 26 other people.

This isn't about protecting the families. This is about protecting public officials.
Coverup 101. Con-Etiquette style.

Whether it is intentional or not by the oligarchy, as you claim, I am not so sure. I've read a series of discussions about the issues with school shooters in the past and it seems that those papers indicate a drive to prevent recurrence. I do think that there is an interest in keeping society rather disconnected however so the one could be the negative and undesirable consequence of the other.

I believe that the oligarchy's use of such is along these lines:

1. Winding up the public to press for gun control.
2. Winding up the public to feel unsafe and clamoring for more !!!! CONTROL !!!! by the Feds and other levels of government.

3. Winding up the public to feel out of control and that all is descending into chaos from which ONLY the globalist NWO will be the solution.

The attachment disorder is kind of an interesting facet. What I've seen repeated in much of the scholarly discourse on the subject is that many of these young men felt isolated even when they were active in school groups and had many friends. I'm not so sure if it still quite fits as many of the young men in the past had objects of love. Kinkel loved his parents intensely and cited the reason for his murdering them was to protect them from the knowledge of what he had become. His confession is actually available on youtube though I put a hefty caution about listening to it as it is extraordinarily rough to listen to.

No one can find or cite a SINGLE CASE of any youth WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT ATTACHMENT DISORDER doing anything remotely in the ball park of such events.

Sons who feel exceedingly Loved by their quality dads in affectionate, masculine, wholesale ways do not pull destructive stunts. Even their teen individuation processes are rather mild, comparatively. They main tain wonderful relationships with their parents through their teen years and the rest of their lives.

The shooters certainly all felt isolated, exceedingly different, disconnected . . . and in at least key ways and respects--UNLOVED.

My guess is the attachment disorder perception may be derived from the flat or blank faces that many of them purportedly had during their shootings. I'd suggest that that appearance may have been from a temporary state of depersonalization/derealization during their actual instigation of their plans and/or fantasies. Many of these young men who survived immediately expressed extreme emotional distress, including confusion and horror at their own behavior and a desire to die or be killed as punishment. It was like a massive dam breaking. Columbine was the anomaly in this.

No. The RAD assessment on my part is from their behavior and the descriptions of the relationships with parents.

It is not surprising that some will claim to some degree that their parents loved them. It tends to be an intellectual rationalization rather than a hear-level, heart-felt deep conviction of certitude.

It's something like . . . "My parents must have loved me . . . they bought me . . . . XYZ expensive things; let me do what I wanted . . . etc." . . . though inside they KNOW such were not grounded authentic demonstrations of understanding and deeply emotionally bonded love beyond measure.

Actually, I don't see Columbine all that different from the others.

IIRC, in virtually EVERY CASE, if not every case

--a ranking oligarchy big-wig's SON was the leading perpetrator.
--Anti-depression and/or other psychoactive drugs were used--some of which were long seriously implicated in violent acting out behaviors

--there were questionable to very conflicting reports as to what exactly went on in most, if not all the cases.
--there was an unusual amount of secrecy during and after the investigations.

= = = =

Which of us average citizens can make an accurate assessment from our distances? I think it's nigh on impossible.

However, GIVEN THE RELATIVELY KNOWN GIVENS . . .

I think it's reasonable to assert that

1. ATTACHMENT DISORDER WAS INVOLVED.
It appears to have typically involved what it often involves--workaholic fathers who were INSUFFICIENTLY lovingly BONDED to the sons--IF they were even around all that much.

2. The oligarchy sought immediately to profit from the events

3. The oligarchy MAY have had a huge hand in setting the main events up and lighting the fuse.


My heart goes out to all the injured relatives and victims and their relatives concerned.

I just think that those of us remaining OWE IT TO ALL OF THEM

TO LEARN ALL WE CAN FROM SUCH EVENTS.

And, to INSURE that we rear our own children and help others rear their children with the utmost loving, affectionate bonded attention and quality fathering, particularly--to help prevent further such wherever possible.

originally posted by: Fylgje
Well, they completely bulldozed the area, they erased it. Then, they put up a memorial with illuminati symbolism(little kid displaying the all seeing eye). The official story has so many holes in it. The parents don't act right on camera. Something isn't right about Sandy Hook.

We VOTED to have the school razed. The parents are real and the trauma is real. We in fact, had an SH fund raiser today at the Governors Horse Guard.

But you wouldn't know that, because you aren't from Newtown, are you?

There isn't a conspiracy among the parents. Geesh.

originally posted by: BillN

originally posted by: Fylgje
Well, they completely bulldozed the area, they erased it. Then, they put up a memorial with illuminati symbolism(little kid displaying the all seeing eye). The official story has so many holes in it. The parents don't act right on camera. Something isn't right about Sandy Hook.

We VOTED to have the school razed. The parents are real and the trauma is real. We in fact, had an SH fund raiser today at the Governors Horse Guard.

But you wouldn't know that, because you aren't from Newtown, are you?

There isn't a conspiracy among the parents. Geesh.

What is Newtown doing with the $50,000,000 they are getting for a new school? Just curious since a new school for 500 kids only costs about 10,000,000 furnished. What is going to be done with the other 40 million? What do you think the extra money was for?