Scientists Discovered Egyptian Secret To Moving Huge Pyramid Stones

Okey Dokey, so that model works for all scales and and sizes then? Its good to know as it would explain a hell of a lot of other monuments and ancient structures that have been built the way of it has eluded historians and scholars alike for years, good stuff! Carry on....
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originally posted by: DARREN1976
Okey Dokey, so that model works for all scales and and sizes then? Its good to know as it would explain a hell of a lot of other monuments and ancient structures that have been built the way of it has eluded historians and scholars alike for years, good stuff! Carry on....

The model was only intended to show that pulling a sled over wet sand takes less force than pulling it over dry sand, and yes this is probably true regardless of scale.

But some of the large stones moved in the past were moved significant distances over water, and only shorter distances over land which may not have even been sandy land, in which case this study about movement over sand isn't relevant. You really have to look at the specific stones and relevant geography to try to figure out how they were moved. You are probably over-generalizing a little too much from this study.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: MrSpad

unless we were building a REALLY important monument, we probably wouldn't have a reason to build a structure that would stand for thousands of years...but you must take into consideration the significance of the pyramids, to the people who built them.

the fact that we wouldn't have much reason to build something like that, and the fact that you don't see any value to it, doesn't invalidate the fact that what they used worked better than anything we have today, by virtue of the fact that it's STILL there, after all this time..

They used what they used because they did not have much choice. Wood or stone. Of course it is nice they are still around and for the time they were amazing buildings but, in the end they just piled up stones in into the easiest shape possible. I am sure if cement, steel ect had been available the would much prefered to have used that, quicker, easier, safer and cheaper. The same reason as civilizations advanced they stopped building things out of stone. Building the pyramids required the focus of an entire civilization. That is what is impressive, that entire peoples could be dedicated for decades to build a structure. Imagine if we did that today what we could build.

Hahahaha! That guy has big hair! He's different than the rest of us! And to top it off, he has strange beliefs! Well, that's all I need in order to know it's acceptable to point and laugh and make ridiculing comments!

On a more serious note... I agree with the guy who said they must have used lots of power and fulcrums... especially fulcrums. Power was less of a problem since obviously what could be more powerful than a 2 to 15 ton stone? The only trouble there was how to extract the power from the stone in a useful form... But in nearly every theory or design I've ever seen relating to pyramid building, I find myself scratching my head thinking to myself "this Might work... If only they had more fulcrums!" A pity fulcrums are in such short supply these days ever since the Fulcrum Wars of 1872... nearly 2/3 of the world's fulcrum supply, gone within a fortnight. Tragic and unnecessary...

a reply to: Daedalus

a reply to: daaskapital

This may work. I would love to it an example in action.
However it doesn't explain other megalithic stone movements by other cultures. Easter Island statues for example.

a reply to: daaskapital

This mystery has been solved to my satisfaction. Why use levitation when you can use pepples and sticks? [watch from about 3:34 onwards]:

The video initially concerns a structure called the Coral Castle (Homestead, Florida) - built with huge rocks. He does use water, but I haven't yet studied how:

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: 3n19m470
Hahahaha! That guy has big hair! He's different than the rest of us! And to top it off, he has strange beliefs! Well, that's all I need in order to know it's acceptable to point and laugh and make ridiculing comments!

On a more serious note... I agree with the guy who said they must have used lots of power and fulcrums... especially fulcrums. Power was less of a problem since obviously what could be more powerful than a 2 to 15 ton stone? The only trouble there was how to extract the power from the stone in a useful form... But in nearly every theory or design I've ever seen relating to pyramid building, I find myself scratching my head thinking to myself "this Might work... If only they had more fulcrums!" A pity fulcrums are in such short supply these days ever since the Fulcrum Wars of 1872... nearly 2/3 of the world's fulcrum supply, gone within a fortnight. Tragic and unnecessary...

a reply to: Daedalus

as sarcastic as this this post is it got me thinking on "Storing" energy.

would it be impossible to build some sort of contraption that could store the energy that gravity places on larger stones for later use? like a tripod to pull up a stone that takes 5* people to get it up there then if you finagled around with how things were connected you could release the energy it took to get the stone to the top WHILE using the same 5* people to create more energy as well. greatly increasing the strength of a group of people.

this is all just a very basic idea that I'm sure is probably egypt 101 but the mention of "Energy" in the above post got me thinking about it. has any kind of spring been found in egypt? leaf springs? elastic style metal?

i know you can twist 2 ropes together also and store a pretty huge chunk of energy. this energy once again if it can be controlled and released strategically can greatly increase the power of the individual teams.

any of you full blown Egypt nerds have any info on this?

*5 is just a number i pulled out of the ether. it could literally represent any number at all and i should of probably just said X but you guys get my point

originally posted by: th3dudeabides
a reply to: daaskapital

This may work. I would love to it an example in action.
However it doesn't explain other megalithic stone movements by other cultures. Easter Island statues for example.

wally wallingtons methods could of been used in easter island. the long narrow heads would balance good on a teeter totter and with some simple rocking back and forth they could raise the center up to a height of the center itself and then tip the statue up. they could of even been stood up before carved for balance then carved uneven. might even explain the big hats on some of the statues to maybe compensate for the weight of the base? (Just thinking out loud here)

like this

skip to about 2:30 or so for the teeter totter in action




i know they dug holes underneath some of them to tip the monoliths vertical but not all correct? i seem to remember a lot of them are sitting on their bases? been a while since I've read up on easter isle. what kind of wood do they have locally there anyone know? i know they burned most off and had massive die outs or whatever but was any of it good hard wood?

SO they figured out how to move 2 ton rocks, what about the granite blocks that would have had to have been transported for miles and weigh much more than 2 tons. That were then moved up very narrow corridors to be put in place.
I wonder how they moved the 300 ton slabs at places like Puma Punku. They better get back to the drawing board.
This crap study is just that.....CRAP.

theres still the issues of
moving several million blocks many of which weigh far more in just two decades
having a large enough work force and infrastructure to do this using primitive methods (have you ever taken a copper chisel to limestone?.... how about granite...... you have to sharpen your chisel every half hour or so and they wear down fast.... the logistics of a project this size using primitive tools and methods is insane)
the unbelievable level of precision in placing the stones (when apparently they had no tools that could measure that accurately)
and level of craftsmanship displayed in certain instances that far exceed anything that came after (ie the sarcophagi at the sarapeum in saqqara which still can not be reproduced to scale)

theres really no way around it
either the techniques and technology used were much different than though (indicating a much more advance civilization than previously thought)
or the population, infrastructure, and general scope of the society was much much larger than previously thought (which in its own ways would require a more technologically and socially advanced society than is believed in order to maintain that kind of population density)

in my mind there is no doubt that our current understanding of egypts history is severely distorted if not just outright wrong
....not really that surprising though.... seems its history has changed as often is its rulers

a reply to: daaskapital

Do they have wet sand in Egypt?
In all my days as Pharoah I've not seen any.
Archeaologists would look far less ignorant,if they would just admit,
that human kind has no memory, of the world that built and left these
structures.

a reply to: TheLegend

What do you mean "exactly"?. I'm saying it would be a waste of money and time. Why would anyone ever fund that endeavor? If you think it can't be done you are delusional, the costs simply outweigh the reward. Studies have been done and it is estimated it would cost between 5 and 10 billion dollars. No nation is going to fund that. We don't even have to cut stones anymore. We can use reinforced concrete that is as hard as/harder than granite, erodes slower and wouldn't require a million man work force.

What you are trying to prop up is exactly what a few people in this thread have tried to point out. Sometimes ways of doing things are forgotten because the way they were done was stupid. For example: Employing a slave labor force to build pyramids is stupid.

www.livescience.com...

a reply to: raymundoko

except the pyramids almost certainly were not built using slave labor
.....thats somewhat of a hollywood myth
from my understanding of their culture a slave would not even be allowed the honor to build the pyramids

news.discovery.com...

so if were going with theories accepted by egyptologists..... then no... it probably was not built by slaves (really more historians than scientists.... and history can and frequently is rewritten)

as far as building it with concrete..... i think youre missing the point
...... and you go on to say no nation would fund the $5 billion and yet the article says the new world trade center building cost $4 billion..... they also got the calculated value by basing it on the cost of the hoover dam which seems kind of ridiculous

a reply to: daaskapital

I had to reply to this when I logged into aol news this morning, I see of course it made it's way here, my only problem is the 30-50 ton stones, just by sheer weight, sand and water are not such a great platform to have anything that heavy sit on top of it and much less having water poured under it and not be stuck, the water source though can be possibly backed up only by the fact I have seen reconstruction of the Nile in very ancient history which show the river coming up very close to the Pyramids.

We also know that by the time Alexander the Great and the Greek Foreigners came into play with the Ptolemies the pyramids were already considered to be a part of antiquity, I suspect that the Pyramids were around many thousands of years than some will admit simply because of evidence they had knowledge of the Great Year, or a full procession of the Equinoxes.

Excerpt of some facts about the Great Pyramid
So, where then is the proof in the Great Pyramid that the ancient Egyptians knew of and measured the precession of the equinoxes? It is in the Pyramid's diagonals. On a flat projection map of the Earth, with the Great Pyramid's location at 30°-00' North latitude and 31°-09' East longitude marked off, if a line is drawn perpendicular from the Pyramid's location to the equator, the measure of this line is a distance of 1,800 geographic miles (6,000'/mile; 60 miles/degree of latitude). Then, if the Pyramid's diagonals are extended from the Pyramid's location down to the equator, the measure of the distance marked off by the intersection of the diagonals with the equator is a distance of 3,600 geographic miles.

More facts.

Another site I like to visit

25 facts about the Great Pyramid of Giza

The Great Pyramid a true masterpiece and has rightly earned the title of a “Wonder”. It was built with such precision that our current technology cannot replicate it. There are so many interesting facts about this Pyramid that it baffles archaeologists, scientists, astronomers and tourists. Here are the facts:

The pyramid is estimated to have around 2,300,000 stone blocks that weigh from 2 to 30 tons each and there are even some blocks that weigh over 50 tons.
The Pyramid of Menkaure, the Pyramid of Khafre and the Great Pyramid of Khufu are precisely aligned with the Constellation of Orion.
The base of the pyramid covers 55,000 m2 (592,000 ft 2) with each side greater than 20,000 m2 (218,000 ft2) in area.
The interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the earth, 20 Degrees Celsius (68 Degrees Fahrenheit).
The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all of them highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing approx. 15 tons each.
The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and earthquakes.
The mortar used is of an unknown origin (Yes, no explanation given). It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.
It was originally covered with casing stones (made of highly polished limestone). These casing stones reflected the sun’s light and made the pyramid shine like a jewel. They are no longer present being used by Arabs to build mosques after an earthquake in the 14th century loosened many of them. It has been calculated that the original pyramid with its casing stones would act like gigantic mirrors and reflect light so powerful that it would be visible from the moon as a shining star on earth. Appropriately, the ancient Egyptians called the Great Pyramid “Ikhet”, meaning the “Glorious Light”. How these blocks were transported and assembled into the pyramid is still a mystery. - www.gizapyramid.com...
Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was exactly aligned at one time.
Center of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.
The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way.
The centers of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid, this effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions. This phenomenon is only detectable from the air at dawn and sunset on the spring and autumn equinoxes, when the sun casts shadows on the pyramid.
The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.
The coffer was made out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.
Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.
The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu’s father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively.
It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside.
With the mantle in place, the Great Pyramid could be seen from the mountains in Israel and probably the moon as well.
The weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5,955,000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the earth’s mass.
The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.
The southern shaft in the King’s Chamber pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450 BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that time in history.
Sun’s Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10^8 is the sun’s mean radius. [270.45378502 Pyramid Inches* 10^8 = 427,316 miles]
The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.
Khufu’s pyramid, known as the great pyramid of Giza, is the oldest and largest, rising at 481 feet (146 meters). Archaeologists say it was the tallest structure in the world for about 3, 800 years.
The relationship between Pi (p) and Phi (F) is expressed in the fundamental proportions of the Great Pyramid.

a reply to: phinubian

could just be coincidence

a reply to: sirhumperdink

Yeah it could be, I didn't mean anything by that though, it's the internet! hard for anyone to get the scoop right ? but anyhow my thing I saw that same headline thinking they had really discovered some great secret, I failed to really see any secret uncovered, because the list of yet unsolved secrets have continued to remain, and some just so inexplicable I don't even think they are trying to reason how some of the numerical properties are built into the Pyramids, I think the most fascinating aspect of the Pyramids and ancient Egypt is this.

To observe even 1 full cycle of the Equinoxes or Great Year, which according to our friends at NASA that is more than 25,800 years, so most people recognize a cycle usually not just with one repetition, but at least 2 if not 3 iterations, so if all of this work were put into building the Pyramids they had to at least have a history and knowledge that was well founded in order to build the structures and then implement many of these numerical ratios, heck the average person that has not seen the great pyramid or just sees the pictures don't even realize it has 8 sides.

I thought the biggest problem was the time it took.
One block would had to be laid every eight minutes apparently.

originally posted by: phinubian
a reply to: daaskapital


The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.
The southern shaft in the King’s Chamber pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450 BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that time in history.

is there ever a point more distant in the past that these passages BOTH simultaneously aligned with stars?

Egyptologists say that the Giza pyramids were built for three pharaohs over the course of a hundred years.

There are over 2.5 million stones, so if you built 24 hours a day for 100 years that means fitting one (average 3.5 ton) stone into place every 8.5 minutes.

I think it was much easier and simpler when the aliens did it trough levitation!

Why complicate things.