Subway removes ham and bacon from nearly 200 stores and offers halal meat only after 'strong demand

the commenters on dailymail are actually being a bit childish and immature. "boohoo boohoo BOYCOTT subway people who's with me??" or "VOTE UKIP" or "i am boycotting subway immediately". what. a. bunch. of whiners.

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
They want me to eat meat that has been blessed by a god i dont believe in?

OOOH. I didn't realize that. (I may have known that and forgot ... or I might not ever have known). Yeah ... that changes things for me. I wouldn't want to eat food 'blessed' in a religion to a god I didn't believe in either. If the Subways ever did that here, then I'd have to stop buying it for the family.

I thought the halal meat was just a way of slaughter.
Well, this isn't in our part of the world, so I guess it doesn't effect us here.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I think its like allowed by Allah, and they have this way of slaughtering the animal according to the rule. Not sure anything about "blessed" but i guess i can understand that.

I dont think its going to be strong in US or anything, the demand is not high enough to cater to such need.

genuine halal slaughter, performed by a muslim who is skilled and trained and knows what to do, is indeed more humane than the western method

a reply to: MeteoraXV

Any evidence to back this up, or is it just your opinion ?

really the only reason people were cheering when denmark banned halal and kosher is that they don't like muslims plain and simple.

And I wonder why that is

plus if its just because they dont like MUSLIMS why ban kosher ?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I have no problem with Muslims. I probably have more muslim friends than most people on this board.

They dont appreciate the extra attention a few make for them.

In the end this is forced multiculturalism. Its counterproductive and brings negative attention to them.

They dont need special rules or considerations given to them. They never needed it before. Just respect their customs and live in your society as you always have and they will do just the same.

They just dont eat what is pork. Removing it all together or altering the butchering process for the express purpose of THEIR comfort and acceptance is just retarded. From a white / western guilt perspective I guess it serves the purpose of showing you are an EXTRA nice person who is very ahead of your time...what ever the hell that means.

EDIT TO ADD:
Perhaps we should celebrate a conjoined fetus day like south park had....you know, for that extra show of sensitivity....

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: ~Lucidity

I have no problem with Muslims. I probably have more muslim friends than most people on this board.

They dont appreciate the extra attention a few make for them.

In the end this is forced multiculturalism. Its counterproductive and brings negative attention to them.

They dont need special rules or considerations given to them. They never needed it before. Just respect their customs and live in your society as you always have and they will do just the same.

They just dont eat what is pork. Removing it all together or altering the butchering process for the express purpose of THEIR comfort and acceptance is just retarded. From a white / western guilt perspective I guess it serves the purpose of showing you are an EXTRA nice person who is very ahead of your time...what ever the hell that means.

EDIT TO ADD:
Perhaps we should have a conjoined fetus day like south park had....you know, for that extra show of sensitivity....

I know a few muslims and I agree, they are not all bad infact one muslim lady I work with is an absolute gem she is one of the kindest people I know, she joins in with Christmas, Easter St Georges day, and has never moaned or even raised an eyebrow to my 11 oclock bacon and sausage I have every day, she dont dress like a ninja infact until it came up in conversation someone else started I thought she was a christian

a reply to: MeteoraXV

Who said they were making them eat pork? By removing items that don't adhere to their religious ideals they are in affect discriminating against those that would eat pork.

I wonder what would happen of Subway had a shop in Golders Green and the Jewish community pushed for kosher Subway...would Subway buckle under then aswell.

Can i just say that this story is just another sensationalisation by the daily fail. I jave worked fr subway and this is not a new tuing. Many of the stores have been halal for aggggges and are primarily in areas where the demographic is muslim/jew. Infact this isnt really subway who are doing this. The company is franchised and it all really comes down to if the owner of said franchise thinks he can make more money by doing things tuis way. I am of course against inhumane killing of animals. I am merely pointing out this is just another story by the daily fail to incite hatred. And judging by my facebook. Its working.

We have to remember there are chain resturants in Isreal and Arab countries whose "Hppy Meals"(example) are totally modified to sales in the resident communities and countries. Nothing special there...they substite and replace a lot of ingredients so they can sell them there.

a reply to: dam00
burden of proof yes but i am embarrassed to say that because i can read so fast i go through information so fast that i don't save the websites i find through google. i can literally read 10 lengthy articles in 15 or 20 minutes. one day i just tackled this subject without bias, started googling and reading random websites and articles from all sides (anti-halal, muslims, and neutral/scientific) and came out convinced that in comparison to the western method, ritual slaughter is indeed far more humane. also, having witnessed actual slaughters being carried out, both on a western farm and a genuine halal abattoir in the netherlands, i have experienced both methods.
also keep in mind, as with any subject there are simply too many contradicting studies that come out literally every single week. is milk good or bad after all? is beer good or bad after all? is wine good or bad after all? is pork healthy or not? i am always skeptical when someone presents scientific evidence or studies because they could simply be one sided or there exist contradictory studies. if i gave you one article, i'm going to have to give another one as well, and another one, and another one, etc because i can't be one sided. i can only tell you what i believe is more humane from my own culmination of research. you're going to have to do your own research and make up your own mind.
after all, what is the ats slogan again? deny ignorance?

It was expected. This thread is a riot. Wow lol

On a serious note.
if you would please take a little moment and watch this video.


It basically explains and shows what is halal meat. It is a very interesting video or your money back.

Even if you dislike everything about "islam", try to watch it objectively and tell me what you think.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
They want me to eat meat that has been blessed by a god i dont believe in?

OOOH. I didn't realize that. (I may have known that and forgot ... or I might not ever have known). Yeah ... that changes things for me. I wouldn't want to eat food 'blessed' in a religion to a god I didn't believe in either. If the Subways ever did that here, then I'd have to stop buying it for the family.

I thought the halal meat was just a way of slaughter.
Well, this isn't in our part of the world, so I guess it doesn't effect us here.

Indeed, It is about the way the animal is slaughtered, It is slaughtered in the name of "Allah" And a prayer is said at some point.

From Wiki

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained

Plus, i think there's a conspiracy for the demand of Halal meat in order to ensure business for Muslims.

So, yoga mat plastic was perfectly acceptable but pork is a deal breaker? Got it. Glad I don't eat that crap.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I don't know how it is in the UK but here in Canada I do not see many Muslims eating at Subway. Just us godless white trash usually. Most of them are owned by E. Indians but I don't think they are Muslim.

UK must have a waay higher Muslim population to make this a smart business move.

Not really - last census had the Muslim population @ about 3%, which apparently is about the same as Canada.

Also, it is worth pointing out, Subway stores are locally owned franchises, so each franchise owner has a modicum of control over what they serve. So, if a locally owned franchise is in an area with a high Muslim population, chances are it is also owned by a Muslim who is not going to want to handle pork products and his customers are not likely to buy them.

His business, his rules.

Is there any reason for Halal being an anagram of Allah?

I don't know why they can't just serve both types of meat.

It's amazing how many problems in this world were/are caused by religious views.

I don't really see a problem with this. They believe that customers didn't want pork, so they removed it from the menus. If it turns out it was just a vocal minority making it seem like there was more demand than there really was, as soon as their sales start consistently sliding month after month they'll add it back to the menu.

Also can I ask why are the muslims in the shop down the road selling bacon and sausages!?

originally posted by: MeteoraXV
a reply to: dam00
burden of proof yes but i am embarrassed to say that because i can read so fast i go through information so fast that i don't save the websites i find through google. i can literally read 10 lengthy articles in 15 or 20 minutes. one day i just tackled this subject without bias, started googling and reading random websites and articles from all sides (anti-halal, muslims, and neutral/scientific) and came out convinced that in comparison to the western method, ritual slaughter is indeed far more humane. also, having witnessed actual slaughters being carried out, both on a western farm and a genuine halal abattoir in the netherlands, i have experienced both methods.
also keep in mind, as with any subject there are simply too many contradicting studies that come out literally every single week. is milk good or bad after all? is beer good or bad after all? is wine good or bad after all? is pork healthy or not? i am always skeptical when someone presents scientific evidence or studies because they could simply be one sided or there exist contradictory studies. if i gave you one article, i'm going to have to give another one as well, and another one, and another one, etc because i can't be one sided. i can only tell you what i believe is more humane from my own culmination of research. you're going to have to do your own research and make up your own mind.
after all, what is the ats slogan again? deny ignorance?

What you should keep in mind, is that this story relates to the UK, I have provided a link to a story that was discussed in the UK MSM, there are quotes by John Blackwell, president-elect of the British Veterinary Association, (the UKs top vet), I would suggest with credentials like that his opinion is well respected in many circles, he says

religious slaughter of poultry, sheep and cattle caused unnecessary suffering to animals.

he has called for a ban on ALL ritual slaughter, not just Halal, which in my opinion is very fair and equal.

Speaking to The Times newspaper Mr Blackwell said British abattoirs could follow the example of the Danish meat industry, which bans the slaughter of animals which are not stunned prior to death.

With the above in mind, and staying on topic, I think going Halal now is a very silly and unethical move, unless you don't care what the none believer thinks. As for my research, I live in the UK, have done my whole life, I dont pretend to be extremley bright, and I certainly cant read as quick as you, but I see what Islam Is, and what it has done, I dont think siding with the UKs top vet over some bod on the internet is a bad thing. but I do think trying to come the moral high ground from Belgium is a little bit rude, even if your response was a bit of a none answer
Britain's top vet sparks controversy with call for ban on slashing animals' throats in 'ritual' slaughters for halal and kosher meat products

originally posted by: BoovDawg
Sorry lucidream n interpod, I am just ranting it probly has something to do with the muslims in my home town the other year refusing to serve me with petrol at their garage when their was a shortage and only serving "their own" forcing us to go elsewhere and running out of petrol and not getting to the hospital on time with my mam to see gran before she died! It probly all stems from then and believe me I am open minded I do not put all the chips in one bowl or woteva I believe there are some bad some good in all walks of life, it just seems to be one thing after another and I am sorry but I do not want to be a muslim!

another thing I forgot to mention in my mid rantage about 3 days later my Pakistani friend went to the garage who is NOT muslim and got petrol no questions asked...