Show Proof of the Existence of ONE Alien Being

originally posted by: Ninipe
a reply to: tanka418

you got a source for that? or do you just know EVERYTHING

Source is pure logic...

In the face of overwhelming evidence of the existence of extraterrestrials, and the lack of acceptance of their existence...the only logical conclusion is that most Terrestrials reject any sort of reasonable evidence demonstrating the existence of ET.

And then there is personal experience...

a reply to: tanka418

oh, okay, so were on the same page. The problem is, I guess, how people just deny the unknown. As if it would disappear, when they ignore it hard enough. Or probably: a very wide spread issue of xenophobia. But where that comes from is very likely an individual problem, and surprisingly a lot of people are really afraid to admit their mistakes, or examine their needs, somehow. So yeah, no wonder everything strange seems threatening, when you're running away from yourself.
I am far from knowing everything, but I am really curious. Bring it on space people, we want to know, right?

originally posted by: tanka418

And, after all that; you still did not tell us "why" it is not extraterrestrial...

So I guess it is unknown?

I'll play along-
His point was to the object being extraterrestrial. Meaning, dropped from an alien spacecraft as Bob White described it and believed himself to be alien in origin.
ex·tra·ter·res·tri·al
[ek-struh-tuh-res-tree-uhl]
adjective
- outside, or originating outside, the limits of the earth.

It was/is a terrestrial aluminum alloy object that can be recreated on Earth. A360 (aluminum alloy) is used in diecasting cylinder heads, carburetors, and other automotive parts, along with other objects.

Now, I suspect you'll ask me something like:
"How do you know an object like that can't be created on another planet?" Well, I don't know. But, then the evidence would be completely dependant upon Bob White's story. A fantastical tale that's void of any other evidence other than this object. His story and aluminum object said to fall from a UFO may be enough to satisfy things in your world with your own self-proclaimed mathematical study. But, it doesn't work with most of the scientific community. Where the standards are a little higher and rightly so.

originally posted by: Ninipe
So, I would ask all of you a question: what would you do, if there actually was the offer the help, but those in charge refuse to accept it? Would you my dear ordinary ones, and I mean "normal-person-just-trying-to-survive-here" get scared, if they'd come directly to you?
I'm just asking, because there seems to be an awful lot of weird stuff going on lately...

There has been 'an awful lot of weird stuff going on' throughout the history of the Human Race. And as any alien from wherever might tell you after thousands of years of observation of the Human species - Humans are a weird race of beings possessing an inherent intelligence and creativity but also possessing a destructive nature which causes 'us' to mistrust them - Get smart human and we will show you disclosure and how to travel through this galaxy.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
"How do you know an object like that can't be created on another planet?" Well, I don't know. But, then the evidence would be completely dependant upon Bob White's story. A fantastical tale that's void of any other evidence other than this object. His story and aluminum object said to fall from a UFO may be enough to satisfy things in your world with your own self-proclaimed mathematical study. But, it doesn't work with most of the scientific community. Where the standards are a little higher and rightly so.

Yep You don't know!!! And that is my point. You don't know "what" could/would make what appears to be ordinary A360 Aluminum, extraterrestrial A360 Aluminum...and there actually IS something that can do exactly that.

In the brief bit of report we get to see...there is absolutely no mention of isotopes, which ones, how much... And...it can be seriously important for such things as structural strength, overall mass, and more importantly "where" the Aluminum was created.

So...in the end, Mr. White's story isn't even important...it has no bearing on the origin of the metal, only on your interpretation of the overall event. This could be a good example of "cherry-picking" one's data so as to attain the answer desired. In this case "Terrestrial"...reality; still unknown.

Terrestrial Humans do this frequently, pick and choose the information used to make a given decision, that way y'all get the decisions and answers you are comfortable with. Y'all should try truth sometime.

a reply to: tanka418

So I think what it comes down to is someone's story and an artifact of unknown origin that could have terrestrial origins. Your opinion is that the tests on the artifact were inconclusive. So its not the smoking gun evidence that was originally presented?

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: tanka418

And, after all that; you still did not tell us "why" it is not extraterrestrial...

So I guess it is unknown?

I'll play along-
His point was to the object being extraterrestrial. Meaning, dropped from an alien spacecraft as Bob White described it and believed himself to be alien in origin.
ex·tra·ter·res·tri·al
[ek-struh-tuh-res-tree-uhl]
adjective
- outside, or originating outside, the limits of the earth.

It was/is a terrestrial aluminum alloy object that can be recreated on Earth. A360 (aluminum alloy) is used in diecasting cylinder heads, carburetors, and other automotive parts, along with other objects.
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And wasn't the actual shape of the object shown to be consistent with that of grinder slag, which would be a byproduct of post-casting cleanup [parting lines, risers and such]?

a reply to: Lifeishigh

its like the nawww...there is no such thing as boogie men....
and then a boogie man gets 'em...

ahhh....the joy of Irony


I always say if they want you to know they are there
they'll let you know

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: tanka418

So I think what it comes down to is someone's story and an artifact of unknown origin that could have terrestrial origins. Your opinion is that the tests on the artifact were inconclusive. So its not the smoking gun evidence that was originally presented?

Yes...precisely!

People do it all the time (jump to conclusions that aren't always supported by available data...We all do it, we all need to be more vigilant).

Should this "sample" actually be of Terrestrial origin (and probability would suggest it is), then "shame on the story maker", but, until it is actually shown to be of Terrestrial origin...And, since the test report does not contain the kind of data needed..."shame on the Lab and technicians".

originally posted by: tanka418 Terrestrial Humans do this frequently, pick and choose the information used to make a given decision, that way y'all get the decisions and answers you are comfortable with. Y'all should try truth sometime.

Uh, you're picking and choosing which information sources to believe to come to your conclusions too, right?

originally posted by: conundrummer

originally posted by: tanka418 Terrestrial Humans do this frequently, pick and choose the information used to make a given decision, that way y'all get the decisions and answers you are comfortable with. Y'all should try truth sometime.

Uh, you're picking and choosing which information sources to believe to come to your conclusions too, right?

You sound like my 19yo...
Yes, absolutely...I "pick and choose" all the available data. That's not what I talking about, and you know it!

originally posted by: tanka418

You sound like my 19yo...

Perhaps you should listen to your 19 year old.

Alien? Might be. Proof? What do you deem as proof? A dead body presented to you so you can perform your own analysis?

www.ufocasebook.com...

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: tanka418

You sound like my 19yo...

Perhaps you should listen to your 19 year old.

We'll see; when he get an education and some experience...

Lack of evidence showing something is NOT extraterrestrial, is not proof that something is from another world. One must apply logic, common sense and stay grounded in reality. The fact of the matter is, there's no hard evidence that proves alien visitations to earth. None. Not from any respected or credible sources. When I was studying astrophysics and using the university equipment, we never saw a hint of anything extraterrestrial....ever. That is still true today. And make no mistake, there are countless organizations and students looking up.

originally posted by: LogicalRazor
Lack of evidence showing something is NOT extraterrestrial, is not proof that something is from another world. One must apply logic, common sense and stay grounded in reality. The fact of the matter is, there's no hard evidence that proves alien visitations to earth. None. Not from any respected or credible sources. When I was studying astrophysics and using the university equipment, we never saw a hint of anything extraterrestrial....ever. That is still true today. And make no mistake, there are countless organizations and students looking up.

Seriously?!? NO hard evidence from any "credible" source? Well I guess if we discount NASA and a few Universities...

How about the evidence of fossil remains from Mars? Much of that is very hard to refute, and IS from a highly credible source.

As for the evidence you seem to think isn't from a "credible" source; credibility does not spawn in a vacuum, and the entire field of Ufology had been forced into a vacuum over the past 67 years...so...your claim of "no credible sources" does not apply...You'll have to evaluate the data on your own; if you are up to the task...

a reply to: tanka418

Yep You don't know!!! And that is my point. You don't know "what" could/would make what appears to be ordinary A360 Aluminum, extraterrestrial A360 Aluminum...and there actually IS something that can do exactly that.

Seriously, you're still on this- evidence is in plain sight, we just can't discern it from everything else- kick? Believers already have the made up excuse of the government hiding all of the alien artifacts and that supposedly explains why there hasn't been any verifiable evidence of anything alien visiting Earth, ever. You are only adding to this cloud of misinformation and silly excuses. Hopefully there aren't too many that give much weight to what you say.

In the brief bit of report we get to see...there is absolutely no mention of isotopes, which ones, how much... And...it can be seriously important for such things as structural strength, overall mass, and more importantly "where" the Aluminum was created.So...in the end, Mr. White's story isn't even important...it has no bearing on the origin of the metal, only on your interpretation of the overall event. This could be a good example of "cherry-picking" one's data so as to attain the answer desired. In this case "Terrestrial"...reality; still unknown.Terrestrial Humans do this frequently, pick and choose the information used to make a given decision, that way y'all get the decisions and answers you are comfortable with. Y'all should try truth sometime.

No, Bob White's story is a big part of this incident. The dominating part of this entire phenomenon is based on stories. He didn't claim he was walking in the desert and came upon this object. That would be a situation where you could apply it's origin to being unknown. But, he actually claimed he saw it come off a UFO and come crashing to the ground. So, you take what he said in conjunction with the object and the evidence to confirm those. As far as confirmation or evidence of his story. He has had no witnesses come forth, no photographs or videos of the event, no photographs or videos of the grooved site where he said it came down. We only have his word. As far as the object, we have NIDS say the object is not of extraterrestrial origin and in fact is an aluminum alloy. As for your claim that there was no isotopic analysis performed. Here's a screen shot of several pages from the Los Alamos report:


An analysis was performed and showed the object being consistent with all three terrestrial readings of Si. With very small deviations. I highlighted the findings in yellow. This was not an extraterrestrial object. The facts show that.

It seems you are ignoring the NIDS data and their personal thoughts and conclusion of their testing, you want to ignore Bob Whites story, and you want to focus on the isotope testing you heard wasn't performed. So you want to focus on one specific subject that would better suit your own conclusions, rather than the case in totality. Isn't that the definition of what you were accusing me of? "Cherry picking".

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

No...I wasn't ignoring the data...I didn't have it. However, no that I seem to have at least some of it; what is available is wholly inadequate. You have shown only isotopic data for Silicon. I think there's more than Silicon in an Aluminum alloy...

Oh, and that's what I mean by "cherry picking"; accepting incomplete data, or a partial dataset...knowingly, or with purpose

OK want to talk about strange objects that some say came from aliens? Implants have appeared in people for some time, often in so called abductess. They have been analyzed and there is no proof that they came from aliens. BUT what is very strange, to say the least, is how they got into the bodies of the victims. Find any pieces of metal under your skin recently? Probably not.

a reply to: tanka418

No...I wasn't ignoring the data...I didn't have it. However, no that I seem to have at least some of it; what is available is wholly inadequate. You have shown only isotopic data for Silicon. I think there's more than Silicon in an Aluminum alloy...

Oh, and that's what I mean by "cherry picking"; accepting incomplete data, or a partial dataset...knowingly, or with purpose

What exactly is inadequate data?

Los Alamos scientists concluded that the material and isotope testing were consistent with aluminum and silicone:

These compositions are consistent with commercially available thermal spray powder that is often used in the aerospace industry.
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Figure 7 shows the diffraction peaks match very well with the peak lines for pure aluminum and silicon.

The Isotopic Analysis:

The silicon ratios from the unknown object are within two standard deviations (2 sigma) of terrestrial silicon, therefore the silicon isotope compositions are identical.

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The NIDS scientists also agree that it was terrestrial:

In terms of chemical composition, sample #2 appears to be similar to what is known as a '360 aluminum casting alloy'.
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EDS revealed the small, light particles to be silicon rich, while the darker gray matrix is Al-rich, as expected.
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These kinds of flow lines are commonly observed in poor sand or die castings. These are caused by a failure of molten streams of metal to merge due to poor filling of a mold, incorrect die lubrication or incorrect injection pressures.
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Summary and Conclusions

Results from the analysis of sample #2 are quite conclusive. The specimen is an aluminum-silicon alloy, with a substantial amount of variety of impurities, including iron, calcium, sulfur, chlorine, sodium, magnesium and others. The composition is one that could be used as an aluminum casting alloy. The closest commercial material has the trade name "360 alloy" [Lyman, 1961]. This is a die casting alloy used in applications where excellent castability and resistance to corrosion are required. It is used for miscellaneous thin-walled and intricate castings. Since this type of alloy is very close to the eutectic (lowest melting) composition, it has excellent fluidity at relatively low temperatures.

There are no anomalies in the results of this analysis. The detected phases are accounted for, and the microstructure lends itself to standard metallurgical interpretation. The physical properties that were measured (density, hardness, and electrical resistivity) all fall within the expected range.

I fail to see where I'm cherry picking incomplete or partial data to help support my own point. I'm reading the information that is available. You on the other hand are not satisfied and trying to search around other ways because it doesn't support your belief. As I said, the true sense of "cherry picking".

You've protected yourself from the need to show any physical evidence. You'll always have your safety net excuse- "They are exactly like us... We couldn't tell".