Show Proof of the Existence of ONE Alien Being

originally posted by: sparrowstail

D) Yeah..... about SETI? I agree with Stanton Friedman. Just a front.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Nor is it proof of a cover up.

originally posted by: tanka418

Your turn; please answer this...
"IF" I found a DNA sample that I could not prove was from, or originated on Earth...what would it be?

I'll answer.


You're human, tanka.

originally posted by: AlienView
Ectoplasm8 said:
Ectoplasm8 will not accept this and claim it 'proves' noting:

Scientists confirm: Extraterrestrial Genes in Human DNA

Actually...I'm with Ectoplasm8 on this...

There is absolutely no way Terrestrial scientists could find "extraterrestrial" DNA in Terrestrialas.

Firstly; Terrestrial science does not know "what" ET DNA "looks like". And while I have my own theories on that, that is all they are "Theories", and nothing more.

And I suppose I should clarify my thoughts on Ecto's comments about my question:

While that wasn't a "trick" question, it seems that most have totally missed it, especially Ecto...
Knowledge of micro-biology, genetics, etc. isn't necessary to answer. The correct answer only requires simple logic.


@Drak...
While I wasn't trying to bring that up...you, and anyone else who might care would be very hard pressed to prove your statement. Small matter of actually finding relatives...even distant...You see...pattern matching is going to play very heavily here, and I don't think those "patterns" will co-operate.

I may be wrong, but, until I see better / more data...and that's something y'all should pay attention to: the data.

Further visible indications of apparent Extraterrestrial contact in Human DNA
The existence of diverse ethno-racial communities of humanity on Earth, perhaps, provides a further visible appearance of extraterrestrial (E.T.) 'genetic communities'. African tribes, including the Dogon, notably, cite evidence of having origins from races of "supernatural creatures that came down from the sky."

This is extremely questionable from a source trying to sound scientific.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

I don't "believe" ET aliens exist...I KNOW ET aliens exist --- based not only because of my ET alien pictures --- but primarily based on my ET alien starship sighting, in November of 1976.

I'm not going to be gullible in saying that they [et alien activities on or around our plane] don't exist...just because the U.S. Federal government won't go into full UFO disclosure. I just consider myself as a gung-ho Ufologist, on the top tier of full UFO disclosure --- in spite of the secret U.S. Watergate UFO cosmic coverup.

a reply to: Erno86

What you saw Erno86 and what I believe by itself would mean nothing BUT we have literally thousands of sightings and reports, sometimes from people in the government and military that added together presents a super-strong case for us believers in the intelligent alien hypothesis. Ectoplasm8 is a 'hard-line debunkeer' and is so hard line in his views so as to render them of little value. Apparently some governments such as the US have also taken a hard-line position on the alien phenomena. If the hard-line debunkers were to take the view: yes there is something going on that is strange and apparently intelligently controlled but not necessarily alien, then i might listen to them - But the way it stands many people smell a cover-up of something they [debunkers and the government] don't want the public to know about.

a reply to: AlienView

If the hard-line debunkers were to take the view: yes there is something going on that is strange and apparently intelligently controlled but not necessarily alien, then i might listen to them

Bottom line is that "intelligently controlled" has to be shown. So far all we have is something that only "appears" intelligently controlled. When that something becomes "IS intelligently controlled", then I might listen.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
Bottom line is that "intelligently controlled" has to be shown. So far all we have is something that only "appears" intelligently controlled. When that something becomes "IS intelligently controlled", then I might listen.

True. Even what "appears" to be intelligently controlled is in dispute. One of the most flagged threads on ATS (651 flags) got that many flags because so many people think the spheres are intelligently controlled, when it's obvious to me that they are just balloons blowing in the wind:

UFO releases intelligent moving spheres!! First ever video footage!

I would love to see some intelligently controlled alien craft if they're friendly and not here to destroy or enslave us, but this is why I don't believe people's claims about intelligent control without video, and in this case even with video.

a reply to: Arbitrageur
Yeah, its one of those UFO facts that's thrown around as if its a given. There could be intelligently controlled things flying around but nobody wants to put the time in to figure out what that means. People really like to project human traits onto everything. So how DO you distinguish a balloon blowing in the wind from an intelligently controlled orb?

The link to the video was broken...but I will read the thread

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Yeah, its one of those UFO facts that's thrown around as if its a given. There could be intelligently controlled things flying around but nobody wants to put the time in to figure out what that means. People really like to project human traits onto everything. So how DO you distinguish a balloon blowing in the wind from an intelligently controlled orb?

Are you serious? Apparent craft making right angle turns at high speeds - chased by high speed jets that they easily speed away from - impossible to shoot down when attempted. etc., etc. Sure balloons full of hot air, yes that is a hot air argument.

You take the "thousands" of claimed sightings (MUFON for ex.)- Have every one of them video'd/photographed- Have each video/photo looked at objectively- A high majority will be identified i.e. balloons, birds, satellites, meteors, .... Evidence of that is the frequency of it being done on this message board. Unfortunately, 80%-90% don't have videos/photos to look at and get placed in the UFO file. Then, it turns into the more glommed together thousands of "evidence" of aliens being on Earth.

I'll ask again... Physical Earthbound events... Crashes, landings, interactions, abductions... These are your own claims. Post your personal best irrefutable physical evidence cases of each.

The best possible explanation to me is that we live inside a computer code based universe. For example there could be 1000 UFOs that all share the same collective consciousness because they are all connected to the source consciousness of the universe, connecting each other. When abductees talk about communication through telepathy, perhaps we are all physically capable of tapping into the source's energy and that source (The Universe, UFOs, God) can tap into our minds. The universe is alive with it's own consciousness. This source energy binds us to the physical laws of the universe that govern our everyday lives. We have boundaries and restrictions. Parameters would be a perfect term to explain the laws of nature. The universe is coded with certain parameters and the operating system is the source, God, universal consciousness, and we are all simple sub programs that have been installed and allowed to run their course.

a reply to: AlienView

Are you serious? Apparent craft making right angle turns at high speeds - chased by high speed jets that they easily speed away from - impossible to shoot down when attempted. etc., etc. Sure balloons full of hot air, yes that is a hot air argument.

Yes I am serious. Its statements like this that are only stated as fact with nothing to support them accept for words like "apparent". Invisible vapor craft made of imagination are also impossible to shoot down.

originally posted by: AlienView
Are you serious? Apparent craft making right angle turns at high speeds

Lots of claims of this but I've never seen one video of it.

chased by high speed jets that they easily speed away from -

Yes, this was Captain Mantell apparently thought when he died chasing a balloon. I'm sure he wouldn't have given his life in "pursuit" if he realized it was just a balloon, but people are easily fooled, more easily than most of us like to admit, but just look at any collection of optical illusions, which is really a collection of ways showing how easily our senses are fooled.

The "lots of sightings" argument also misses the point of this thread, which is pick one that you think is the best evidence of aliens. I like the The 1976 Tehran, F-4 Phantom Chases UFO Case which I can't explain, however the lack of photos or video makes it a not very well supported case, though it has pretty good documentation otherwise. I'm sure it wasn't a balloon, but just because I don't know what it was doesn't mean it was aliens. It could have been aliens I suppose, but there's really nothing coming anywhere close to proof or even evidence of that.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8


You take the "thousands" of claimed sightings (MUFON for ex.)- Have every one of them video'd/photographed- Have each video/photo looked at objectively- A high majority will be identified i.e. balloons, birds, satellites, meteors, .... Evidence of that is the frequency of it being done on this message board. Unfortunately, 80%-90% don't have videos/photos to look at and get placed in the UFO file. Then, it turns into the more glommed together thousands of "evidence" of aliens being on Earth.

I'll ask again... Physical Earthbound events... Crashes, landings, interactions, abductions... These are your own claims. Post your personal best irrefutable physical evidence cases of each.

If you give me complete, free "run" over MUFON's database...to the extent that I can redesign said database, and I'll provide you the "proof" you want...right down to the pictures...

originally posted by: libertytoall
The best possible explanation to me is that we live inside a computer code based universe.
The universe is alive with it's own consciousness.

This is maybe the most beautiful thought on the topic I read so far. Thanks. I'll be thinking about that.

originally posted by: AlienView
...a conscious, sentient being not from the Planet Earth

They are not an easy catch, mate! You've got to go to their place if you want proof(bring along your armor). And take a spare blanket if you plan to spent the night, it's a little bit cooler than Earth.

There is proof. BUt can you take it?


Ill post a text from an alien being that humanity has already contact to..

concerning the issue of "proof"..

Recognize that you have been, and we do not need to tell you this, looking to the stars for many years.
Some of your scientific "revelations" have come from such an activity. At this point in your science of
astronomy you are still relatively restricted, as you know, in your ability to pierce the veil of the
atmosphere of your planet. And, in many ways, some of the gravitic tensor dynamic fields, which allow
light to be obscured, or bent, and some of the ideas of energy fields, which we will discuss in “Template
Meta-Physics,” that you have yet to discover, or may be just beginning to realize are there, also play a
part in your understanding or limitation of understanding of what you perceive through your optical and
radio telescopes.
One of the ideas, specifically, that you have been addressing of late, is the concept of whether or not
there are other "intelligences" living on other planets. You have created for yourselves many ways to
attempt to perceive whether or not there is communication from these other civilizations. What you term
to be radio telescope being the primary application for this endeavor. Allow me to say, it is at this time
unlikely that you will receive anything from any nearby civilization through radio communication.
There have been a few civilizations nearby that did begin their communication history electronically, as
you say, with the idea you call radio; but the nearest one ended its radio communication sometime
before you began yours, and in this way, their radio signals have long since passed your planet as they
radiated outward. Recognize also, many civilizations do not use radio and never have, even though this
may astonish you, because you feel that radio noise, as you say, is a natural occurrence in the universe.
The great degree of separation in your particular history has not allowed you to recognize the
communication that can occur from mind to mind, and for many civilizations, technological
communication never comes into existence at all, or if it does, many times it is carried in the form you
call cables, or highly focused beams of energy which do not radiate outward. So, to you, their
civilizations will always be silent.
Many of the methodologies utilized will take advantage of the idea you call a hyper-space phenomenon,
simply originating at the point where the communication is sent and arriving at the point where it is
received, without appearing to travel any intervening distance in what you term to be three-dimensional
physical space. Therefore, you may be listening for quite some time to radio frequencies before you will
hear anything. Allow me to say, there probably will be physical contact between our civilizations long
before you will hear anything on your radio telescopes.
Science, in general, upon your planet does represent, in a sense, the closest approach to the idea of
integration, of understanding your relationship to the idea of yourself as All That Is, and this is why
3your physics, particularly the branch you call quantum mechanics, has begun to allow you to perceive
the connection of your consciousness to the universe. But still, many times, science feels it needs to
create proofs that exclude the ideas of faith and belief.
Now, understand that with regard to metaphysics, this idea of requiring physiological proof will never,
in those terms, be able to glean an acceptable proof from the area you call psychic phenomena until it is
understood that your definitions of that discipline are, in your terms, biased by what you think they
should be.

originally posted by: kauskau

There is proof. BUt can you take it?

To be honest, I can't much more.


Bashar thread's over there...