Can !GUN! people help me answer this question?

Uppers are only considered a gun when attached to the barrel and chamber.

One can trapse around with a full auto weapon, dis-assembled in a case or box, and it is only considered "gun parts".

If you do such things, do not consent to the authorities assembling it, and it remains "parts".

Study, go ask your local "gun guy", nevermind all of this info is right here online if you simply look, beware laws vary from state to state though.....

We are our own worst enemy when it comes to the, so called "authorities", way too frequently.

ya reply to: hillbilly4rent

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Uppers are only considered a gun when attached to the barrel and chamber.

One can trapse around with a full auto weapon, dis-assembled in a case or box, and it is only considered "gun parts".

If you do such things, do not consent to the authorities assembling it, and it remains "parts".

Except that opens up the door to constructive possession. They wouldn't be considered merely "gun parts", they would be considered a collection of parts that could be built into only one realistic configuration.

Keep one crucial piece apart from the rest, and don't speak.a reply to: EvillerBob

I'm not even talking about skirting the law, I'm talking about one's right to do pretty much what one pleases as long as one is not attempting to profit from that which one may produce, as in "not selling it".

The law and the result of "the authorities" actions are not necessarily lawful or legal, congruent?..

That's where the "we are our own worst enemy " comes in.

And we progress to a completely different topic.......

Witnesses........... a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

I have been building ARs for years.

You need at least training as a manual machinist before you should do a 80% lower.

Its just as easy to build a AR lower from Bolt-together AR-15 lower receiver plans.

And unlike the 80% receivers there is a lot less chance of the BATF finding out.

But check your state laws about home built guns.
Some states allow you to own home built guns you make.
Most do not allow you to ever sell them.

Some states ban home made semi auto weapons but allow bolt actions

Some allow some semi auto weapons but not weapons on there banned list.

The vast majority of receiver kits like 80% lowers for AR rifles and incomplete AK kits require knowledge of machining and a decent understanding of gunsmithing.

While there are many resources online regarding the proper methods of fabrication or finishing of incomplete receivers it is still a matter of having the right tools for the job. If you go down this route(I recommend you do simply because it's fun) please be sure you're doing the job right. Dont cut corners. Cutting corners could be dangerous and could get you injured or killed.

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Uppers are only considered a gun when attached to the barrel and chamber.

One can trapse around with a full auto weapon, dis-assembled in a case or box, and it is only considered "gun parts".

If you do such things, do not consent to the authorities assembling it, and it remains "parts".

Study, go ask your local "gun guy", nevermind all of this info is right here online if you simply look, beware laws vary from state to state though.....

We are our own worst enemy when it comes to the, so called "authorities", way too frequently.

ya reply to: hillbilly4rent

that is not the case with an AR platform rifle. You can buy complete upper assemblies with the barrel, bolt carrier group, gas system etc. It is still not considered a gun. The only part that is considered a firearm is the lower receiver. that is is, not the components inside, just the lower receiver.

As far as "easily" converted, as far as an AR goes, the main part , and only one that is regulated to make it full auto, or select fire is the sear. You can legally purchase and install a full auto bolt etc. You can have a full auto receiver (only difference is a shelf machined into the rearward section of the fire control group cavity), full auto bolt carrier group and semi auto everything else and it is 100% legal. Now, if you just so happen to have possession of the full auto sear, in conjunction with the previously mentioned parts then you are big doo doo. You can not get a tax stamp for it, as you can not have a full auto weapon manufactured after 1986, i think the date is, unless you are a class 3 dealer or manufacturer with proper federal licenses , no general civilian ownership of newer automatic weapons are legal.