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originally posted by: guynla
I happen to live near 2 state prisons in south Alabama. The inmates have been doing work and also getting paid a small amount for many years. They are not slave labor. I agree our state has some of the most backward laws concerning drug offenses, but this is not a case of imprisoning innocents for the labor. Many of them learn a trade and more than a few are allowed to work outside jobs if they behave. My ex brother-in-law being one of them. He's cleaned up his meth problem & will be working in a local café upon his release.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: minusinfinity
I think your mentality is part of the problem. No doubt you never have been arrested and the majority of Americans have not been arrested and are clueless to what the prison/justice system is truly about. You have it your mind that if someone is arrested, convicted, and sent to prison they deserve it and deserve to be slaves. Most people have never been arrested, or have loved ones been arrested share this view that essentially de-humanizes prisoners and that some how makes it okay for a prisoner to be sent to a slave camp or face other atrocities.
Sorry to call you out, but that is what I have observed in the US.
originally posted by: 8fl0z
Crime against humanity?
Criminals dont deserve to be treated like humans, especially the ones that have hurt/killed others to land there.
Work em like slaves, as the penance to society.
You mess up, you do work for the rest of us to fix it.
Dont like it? Dont commit crimes.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: minusinfinity
I think your mentality is part of the problem. No doubt you never have been arrested and the majority of Americans have not been arrested and are clueless to what the prison/justice system is truly about. You have it your mind that if someone is arrested, convicted, and sent to prison they deserve it and deserve to be slaves. Most people have never been arrested, or have loved ones been arrested share this view that essentially de-humanizes prisoners and that some how makes it okay for a prisoner to be sent to a slave camp or face other atrocities.
Sorry to call you out, but that is what I have observed in the US.
originally posted by: mOjOm
You only go to prison because you messed up real bad, huh???? You only go because you break the law, right??? Tell that to these guys:
First Prosecutor Jailed for Deliberately Convicting Innocent Man
Innocent man savoring new life after 24 years in jail
In prison for 34 years but innocent: LA man walks free after murder conviction is tossed out
There are probably a thousand more easily available for anyone to see and probably 10's of thousands that have just gone by without anyone noticing.
Some people are so f**king clueless and naive about the world it's amazing.
Nobody goes to prison without breaking the law??? Wake the f**k up you ignorant child. I'm shocked that some long time members here actually have that opinion too.
Try checking out:
www.innocenceproject.org...
originally posted by: jrod
originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: minusinfinity
You do realize in some states if you have prescription medication not in their original labeled containers you can be charged with a felony, right?
Then simply keep it in the correct container.... why not leave it there? See, that is how simple it is to stay out of jail....
Really? Do you think it is acceptable that someone can be charged for a felony for simply putting their meds in one of those day of the week sorters for a weeklong vacation in lieu of bringing 10 pill bottles, then getting searched at a traffic stop?
It's not that simple.
Do me a favor, and never ever call the US a free country!
originally posted by: minusinfinity
The thing is if you don't break the law you won't go to prison.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: "You want to go home and rethink your life..."
"The court system as it's set up today is not setup as a tool for justice, it's setup as a tool for retribution... Anyone that they want, they can get." Chip Tatum - Black Ops Interview (@ 1 hour 16 min)
originally posted by: jaffo
And here we have the obligatory bleeding heart who wants to pretend that no one really did the crime for which they were convicted. Yes, we get it wrong on occasion. But the VAST majority of people in prison did the crime they were convicted of and are serving a lawful sentence. Seriously, some of you really need to visit a prison sometime so that you can see just who you are feeling badly for. You're going to be in for quite a shock. Because these are NOT nice people.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: jaffo
And here we have the obligatory bleeding heart who wants to pretend that no one really did the crime for which they were convicted. Yes, we get it wrong on occasion. But the VAST majority of people in prison did the crime they were convicted of and are serving a lawful sentence. Seriously, some of you really need to visit a prison sometime so that you can see just who you are feeling badly for. You're going to be in for quite a shock. Because these are NOT nice people.
And here we have the typical Ass-Kissing, Line-Towing, Zombie Yes Man wanting everyone to believe that putting innocent people in prison and death row while allowing the criminals to go free is all fine and dandy because True Justice is just a silly little idea where being close still counts and is Good Enough so why bother trying to fix a broken system.
I'm a bleeding heart too am I?? I'm sure that makes you feel better to think that so you can go on advocating innocent people spending their lives in prison rather than face a reality that you would rather not see because your fantasy world is just too cozy to want to leave. Yes, how courageous of you noble sir. Us bleeding hearts are just too weak to handle reality huh. That's usually what the Biggest Pu**ies say to themselves so they don't actually have to deal with inconvenient issues that cut into their golf games and sauna sessions.
Wake up and pay attention man. You show me where I say anything about feeling bad for actual criminals. Or yeah, I didn't did I. No, in fact I was specifically addressing the question totally opposite that whole idea wasn't I. But who cares anyway right. What you were talking about was "close enough" so why bother actually paying attention to the conversation and having something meaningful to say, right.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: jaffo
How can you be a fair and unbiased attorney when you assume that 99.9% of the people tied up in the justice systems are scumbags?
I'm guessing you are a prosecutor.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: jaffo
As someone who has been arrested multiple times I can promise you I have a much better grasp on the legal system. Give me a few months to study for the law exam and I will bet you I will score higher than you. Don't assume I am just some mind-washed sheep who bases my opinions on the media.
By client you mean someone you can extort money out of for a crappy deal. Your client is happy because they are not going to jail, you are happy because you made some money, the court system is happy because your client will pay for the cost of probation and take the mandated classes, treatment, evaluations, ect... that your client must part-take to satisfy the court. Most will tell you that probation sets one up to fail and traps them in the prison/court system.
For someone of your experience to say the justice system is not broken baffles me.
There is a reason we spend three years in law school studying the history and development of things like contract law, property law, constitutional law, etc.