cancer and the belief

Good day ATS friends.

I am not married (my own religious perception, I'm atheist, but I do have a partner, that I do love.
Her father has cancer, big time, spread throughout his body, I did much research and have discovered that its all a farce to make some companies a lot of money.
The problem I have is that no matter what i say, will not go into their heads, actually the family will fight me to the bitter end, because I believe aliens exist. (and they don't)

So they see me as a crack pot and all that work I have researched, given them options, given them my love. I cant help them.

I've even cut them DVD's of presentations of how to fight cancer from what I discovered in ATS, there is just so much info here.

They continue to see me as crazy and rather believe the church and doctor.....I guess I am done here and just must leave the old man to the system

Well, cancer is real. The only thing is that there are some real, natural ways to fight cancer...but it sometimes does not always work. Just like their medicines the treatments are sometimes specific to the type of cancer. Many of their chemo treatments incorporate knowledge of chemistry found in nature.

It is easier to kill cancer cells on a regular basis than to fight them once they have grown in numbers. Consuming the right chemistry say once a week or two can keep cancer from taking hold. We constantly fight cancer, killing the distorted cells and building new ones that properly communicate with the body instead of getting chaotic. Some times certain viruses can stimulate the production of cancer also. There are about four ways to kill cancer, depending on the type of cancer.

Sometimes the cancer needs to be cut out, that is the job of the surgeons. Sometimes using chemotherapy is necessary, natural ways are slower and sometimes time is an issue. Faith and prayer do help, if you give up belief in getting healed, you are a goner.

I'm very sorry to hear the bad news. Since it has spread throughout his body, it may be too late for anything to work at this point. I don't know. I survived cancer but was lucky that it hadn't spread throughout my body.

My niece's boyfriends nephew is only 12 and just discovered he has cancer. They are doing tests now to see if it has spread or not.

You have my prayers.

I'm sure you are already aware of Dr. Burzynski's work. If not.
It's a MUST watch!!!!!!
Keep trying to help! It's all you can do.

a reply to: researcher88

the worst being that the only treatment they accept is killing them faster than if they were doing nothing.

Ok chemio may work temporarily for those with strong inner systems (that will resist the chemio), but for the other, it is death in a few month instead of a few years or much more (with a radical diet of no sugar, no oil + natural treatments) ... & a lot of $$$ for the health biz

I tried to give liposomal solutions (vit c + tumeric) to a friend: he was scared it would kill him, he didn't like the taste , his mother was worry it would damage his digestion system...so he didn't take it in massive dose as i was telling him to do, just little... but to make me happy

He died 2 month later.

people prefer to see their close one go than to question their belief system.

a reply to: researcher88

Belief is really important here though, because if your father in law believes that his treatment is working, it is more likely that it will (in my opinion). Although it must be frustrating for you, since it sounds like you want the best for him. I guess all you can do is respect his opinions and decisions at this point. Believe it or not, the medical system, for all it's faults, has a lot of experience in working with people with cancer and it might just be, in his case, what is best for him.

Wishing you all the best

B x

Cancer terrifies people. Chemo and radiation terrifies people. My Ex's Godson had cancer as a child and went the chemo/radiation route and is over 30 and still alive today. I know many people who had cancer and went the traditional route and also are still alive 20 and 30 years later. I myself had chemo and radiation.

There are too many variants when it comes to cancer and its treatments. Did the person go for regular doctor visits? Did they have cancer for years without knowing and now it's too late? Has the cancer spread? It is a very individual thing.

Too many people automatically assume that all doctors are in it just for the money and that simply isn't true. Too many people assume that chemo and radiation kills when often it saves lives. I don't know enough about natural remedies to make any assumptions. People do have to realize that you can have an adverse reaction to herbs just like you do with regular medicines. As for extremely strict diets, how many people are that disciplined? And...why are there people who eat organic foods and live healthy lifestyles still getting cancer?

There are no guarantees that traditional or natural treatments will cure and keep cancer away. I always said I would choose natural remedies first if I ever got cancer, but when actually faced with that decision, I put my faith in my doctors as other members here have.

I just don't want people to assume that chemo and radiation will kill them.

Thank yol....many wonderful words sent, my new question will be: what influence will i have now....i have nothing to offer but my own love.
And naturally the knowledge, how can people just eliminate me from the entire program, perhaps doctors are trying, perhaps not. they have a;ready sent the old man home to die.

Now here I sit here with questions...
Do you want to die or will you follow some advice...
Response will be: you gotto be nuts, how can anyone believe you because you believe in aliens that don't exist.

So how can I approach and help, this narrow way of thinking., in their opinion, because

I'm atheist therefore I must be evil
in my opinion I'm atheist because I love every one too much, what the hell can I do.

a reply to: researcher88

It seems his decision is already made and he has gone home to die. At this time, your love will be enough. I know it doesn't seem that way, but if I were dying, that is all I would want of my friends and family, their love. Just try to make him as comfortable as possible physically. If he wants to talk, let him talk, if he needs his quiet moments, allow him that. Sometimes it is enough just being there. You don't even have to say a word. It is enough to know that someone is there for us.

My heart is with you and the family at this difficult time. I wish you all the strength and courage to face the coming days.

a reply to: anHairInTheSoup
Thanks, friend, as you have mentioned, the vit c liposomal, is not only a cure...I have no disease but I take it for no reason....
I feel stronger with more energy, fantastic stuff really, what I don't get is when the belief has come down to, go home to die, they just accept that rather than to try other options.

a reply to: Night Star
Thanks nite star, you are always full off wise words, I will always listen...btw, because of your avatar and so buzzywigs, I cant resist your opinions.

originally posted by: researcher88
a reply to: Night Star
Thanks nite star, you are always full off wise words, I will always listen...btw, because of your avatar and so buzzywigs, I cant resist your opinions.

LOL! Thanks!

I know it's difficult to accept that he is being sent home to die, but I am sure that if there were any hope, they would have done everything in their power to save him. My sister-in-law went through that many years ago. They did everything in their power to save her but the cancer was too advanced. She appreciated that she was sent home to die. I think most of us would rather be home if we could surrounded by familiar things and people.

My heart really does go out to you Honey. Losing someone in our lives is just devastating and leaves a hole that no one else can fill. I lost my Dad almost 7 years ago and my Mom is 90, so I know our time together is limited. It is always on my mind.

It's going to be a roller coaster ride for a while, but you always have your ATS family here by your side and we won't abandon you.

Interesting thread researcher88

From a Christian perspective all I can say is 'The Lord helps he who helps himself'

It's always saddening and and frustrating when I hear stories of blind faith in impossible situations go wrong. Its usually more the hard headed fundamentalist types that make these kind our mistakes though.

As an open minded Christian, I believe its our responsibility to explore every avenue possible with something like cancer. Expecting God to perform a miracle when we already have the answer is laziness and prayers usually go unanswered.

As for your situation, be patient. It's amazing how many people only listen to a mainstream doctor and to be fair that's what we are taught to do. They do cure illnesses every single day for a living after all and as a result they have earned their trust. The problem is that said trust can be a bit blind. I've seen a few people I know go through the same thing and eventually they become open to alternative ideas, the sad part though is that its too late by that stage for them to work anyway.

a reply to: researcher88

My uncle has just been diagnosed with the same type of cancer so I can sort of relate to what your saying. If they will not listen to you the only thing you can do is be there for them. People will always trust the opinion of doctors etc so just let them sort it out the way they want to and just let them know that you support what ever steps they take. You may have some idea's from here but if no-one is willing to listen then just go with the flow.

Thanks guys, really appreciate your inputs, glad also to see markocity and darknstormy have lowered their swords in this thread.

originally posted by: researcher88
Thanks guys, really appreciate your inputs, glad also to see markocity and darknstormy have lowered their swords in this thread.

lol, there are certain things people don't agree with and probably never will but in saying that, there are probably others where we would all agree also. There's no need for arguments and debates in this thread. I'm sure everyone eventually has to go through this issue at some stage and all we can do is be as supportive to each other as we can regardless of whether we know each other or just happen to chat on the internet.

Cancer is real. It's not a farce.
Chemo works for some people. For others it doesn't.

My sister in law had leukemia twice. She only had a 10% chance of living. She had chemo. She's alive and cancer free now. But she's only a shell of who she was. She sleeps 16 hours a day and is a forgetful mess.

A friend of mine had breast cancer. She had chemo. She is now cancer free and she survived. She didn't get sick from it and is doing great.

Another friend of mine had breast cancer. She had chemo. She died.

I have autoimmune and have a higher risk of cancer because of it. I highly doubt that I'd ever do chemo. I have neuropathies (including autonomic neuropathy) and chemo would make them much worse. I was misdiagnosed and put on ancoban for a month .... it is an anti-fungal chemo drug. It crossed the brain barrier and it was hell on my body and brain. I'd die before doing that again.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Cancer is real. It's not a farce.

I know cancer is real, the farce seems to be the fact that so many were done away with that had alternative medications in order to generate movement in the chemical or drug industries.

Wilhelms Reich's orgone energy generator in my opinion must have something there, I say this because, on the front cover, of his Orgone accumulator handbook, is an astronaut that has this blue haze around him, this Reich called orgone, and why I believe he has something there?

1)I have seen this blue haze leaving a woman's body that was hit by a minibus in front of me, as she was flying through the air about 10 meters, expelling the glow, before she hit the ground and died.
I had two people with me that saw the accident but neither saw the blue haze.

2)If Reich was a crackpot, why lock him up and incinerate his research. Who would benefit with him out the way?

Managed to find other alternatives as well like essiac, lipsomal vitb17 and sodium bicarbonate.

But I have good news the family did watch the excellent movie video that I found here at ATS about the cancer conspiracy. And at least they seem to have some hope again.

All but one, he has some sort of problem with my religion so doesn't want to accept anything from me.

I'm not pushing them in any direction, its up to them what they want to do from this point, I just wanted them to slightly wake up to other options rather than to wait for the end.