100 B.C. Computer Was 1500 Years Before Its Time

Maybe the elites used machines like this to predict "great signs in the sky" to control the masses. They didn't know what an eclipse was so the keepers of this machine could arrange to have it said that, for example, the sun was gonna die on such and such day, if everyone doesn't (fill in the blank). Then when that day came, they say Oh see? It's happening... we told you! And everyone freaks out and after the Eclipse they say Well it's a good thing enough people gave over all their possessions to the priests of (fill in the blank), or It's a good thing everyone worked hard to fill this giant container with gold and precious stones out of the mines so we can give it to the god. Now the sun came back to life!

The same can be done with the moon. Or maybe even annual meteor showers... you can say certain things mean the god or gods are happy and certain other things mean it is happy.

Not everyone had the luxury of spending years studying the sky. Those who first came to have a rudimentary understanding of the objects in the sky had a great advantage and this was (maybe) the start of the elites we know today.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Danbones
I bet that the math was known by someone a long time before most would think today.
trade secrets were trade secrets.
the recent discovery of how the "Cross" was actually a measuring device used for navigation.
(see my sig thread ) appears to go back over 25,000 years ( citations at link)

information produced by the antikythera device, or from at least tables, would have been a critical part of the process.

obviously whoever built the pyramids( a cross was seen in a sealed shaft) knew some complex math then.
(star charts at 10,000 BC )
pythagorean theorem, among other things, would have been a necessary part of the math, and was probably considered proprietary knowledge for initiates only.

the rest of us not being in the club, got religion instead

The Pythagorean Theorum likely came from India, as you can see evidence of that knowledge from times predating Pythagoras by centuries.

exactly
among the people who new of the cross for navigating were dravidians and tamils and turks

originally posted by: Danbones

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Danbones


pythagorean theorem, among other things, would have been a necessary part of the math, and was probably considered proprietary knowledge for initiates only.

The Pythagorean Theorum likely came from India, as you can see evidence of that knowledge from times predating Pythagoras by centuries.

exactly

among the people who new of the cross for navigating were dravidians and tamils and turks

The Pythagorean Theorem was almost certainly well known thousands of years before any Greek or Hindu mathematician used it.

It's called the "Pythagorean" Theorem because it was thought that Pythagorus was the first to prove it, not because he invented the thing or whatever.

Since then, there's been a debate about who proved the theorem first, but the use of it probably predates writing.

Harte

To think the Antikythera mechanism could calculate the position of the Sun, Moon, the five known planets, and had instructions on the front and back. There are all sorts of uses that have been proposed; determining the time for a particular meeting.

But the Greeks had a history of clockwork toys:

re.trotoys.com...

Archytas invented a steam power pigeoned that ran along a wire.
en.wikipedia.org...

Ctesibius invented a water powered clock
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A place called Rhodes was famous for its automaton characters:

The animated figures stand
Adorning every public street
And seem to breathe in stone, or
move their marble feet.

en.wikipedia.org...

And there were programmable carts in 60AD

www.newscientist.com...

King Solomon was reputed to have a mechanical throne that had animals extend feet outwards and lower his crown onto of his head.

originally posted by: benrl

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: benrl

What line of thinking or where did this all spawn from do you think? The telephone or communication?

I link advancement with our connection

Human ingenuity, No more, no less.

If supported by society as a whole, it can do wonders.

Hell, even alone in the wilderness, a shaman can come up with Binary.

I sometimes feel living in a world that has all these wonders handed to us, that we forget, it was all done by people just like you and me.

The Human brain, in all its complexity, is the single greatest tool this planet has ever seen.

Coming up with binary isn't all that hard, you just need to come up with the idea of bases. Humans pretty naturally gravitate towards base 10, because that's what we teach... the fact that we have 10 fingers probably influences that.

Sometimes simple ideas require a genius to be noticed.

My thoughts on this device are that the Library of Alexandria probably mentioned it. Sadly that is no more.

BEFORE its time?

How can anything be BEFORE its time?

You mean AHEAD of its time? Why is this the second time I see this exact 'american typo' today? Why are there people whose intelligence isn't high enough to be able to deduce the difference between these words, and to realize the correct form of the phrase?

Nothing can be 'before' its time, even if it travels back in time, because it inevitably brings its time with it, wherever it goes, wherever it is. So, when and wherever it is, their time is with them, and thus it exists in its time. Not before.

(Logically, nothing can also exist after its time - because if it exists there, it's still its time..)

But something being 'ahead of its time', can symbolically mean that what becomes a usual thing in the future, may exist in a time that doesn't yet accept it.

When there is an 'american typo' of this magnitude in the topic already, I have no faith in the actual message, because a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

For the original poster, a gift:

americantypo.site11.com...

There! You can use this shocking list as a cheat-sheet in the future to prevent more 'american typos' from being born on a planet filled with people who cannot write english coherently or correctly.

(And this is mere WORDS - you can only be horrified as to how weak their sense of GRAMMAR is..)

a reply to: Shoujikina

Get a grip! How dull your life must be analyzing everyone's spelling. Not to mention (am I allowed to use that phrase?) making a list.
Smile, it's good for you

a reply to: KanuTruth

Imagine discovering a hidden room in a European medieval castle. As you open the room, you find an iPhone sitting on the table. That would mean the iPhone was invented in 1000 A.D.

Well no, it wouldn't.

There are a number of other possibilities that would have to be considered before concluding the Iphone was invented in the year 1000.

Wormholes, time-slips, time travellers, alternate dimensions, covert Government / Military science experiments with high weirdness physics and so on are all just as plausible as an iphone invented in the year 1000.

a reply to: Harte
Thanks for confirming that Harte and making the distinction between using it and proving it
which is very important to keep things in perspective
hadn't thought of it myself

also mithra and miter appear to be connected by the same root word, and I think are linked to the point you just made which seems to confirm what BFFT had posted about the history of that piece of math.

The mechinism was way beyond what came afterwards so all of the knowledge of the how and why is missing.
Also consider
1) This must not have been hard to operate or understand lest only a few could work it.
2) If this was a device ordered for potentate there must have been others. We don't build individual mechanical watches once we have the pattern we build for the demand.
3) It shows no alien influence being built from the materials at hand. This was not a cobbled together device built from leftovers.
4) Usage and prior data is the big question. There had to be enough knowledge of the movement of the planets to enable calculations to make this marvel doable. The base source of the knowledge could uncover our more of our hidden past. Some where we lost hard science information that could have moved humanity forward much quicker.

a reply to: datasdream

Astronomical events such as solar and lunar eclipses had been recorded for thousands of years. The earliest known recorded solar eclipse was in Ugarit on May 3, 1375 BC, and all the observations were recorded on clay tablets. Interesting to see that the first thing that so many civilisations did was to start making astronomical observations. So there would be plenty of data to analyze, and they did deduce the Metonic and Saros cycles, as well as the heliocentric model of orbits. Hipparchus got credit for t

www.thelivingmoon.com...

But the calculations were only relevant to the Corinth region of Greece (Archimedes or Hipparchus)

en.wikipedia.org...

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But that would be enough to work out gear ratios. And there was also some basic knowledge of gears. That came from working with those animated human characters.

So it could have been done very easily by somewhere that knew engineering and astronomy.