Quran Declares Holy Land Given To The Israelites .... but "With Conditions"

Very interesting video about how the Quran Declares Holy Land Given To The Israelites.... but "With Conditions".. all of which Israel and the Jewish people have broken. So the covenant with God to the land claimed by Israel is null and void.

originally posted by: RocksFromSpace
So the covenant with God to the land claimed by Israel is null and void.

.... so declares a Muslim. No surprise. Does he want to move in?

God didn't give the land of Israel to anyone. Not to the Jews. Not to the Muslims. Not to the Christians. And to anyone who runs around saying 'God gave us this land' .... baaaaaah! People can claim 'God said this or that' but it would be foolish of people to believe that without some proof. Anyone can claim that God told them something. That doesn't make it true. And considering how very much of the 'holy books' can be so easily debunked ...

a reply to: RocksFromSpace

They don't have any legitimate right to the Holyland and if the Zionist's knew there very own texts (They used the Bible to justify there claim), they wouldn't be there in the first place. They have made up there own version of what the Bible says when it also clearly states that the Land will be given to the Jews if they are righteous and this includes establishing Jewish religious law as the law of Israel, not Democracy. The modern State of Israel is the house of the Devil.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Why do you atheist's even comment? Aren't there better threads you could be putting your atheist opinion towards?

He says as the closing statement that Muslim, Jews, and Christians can live together with peace.

I agree and believe that,

But with the exception that most of the younger (say my generation I'm 30) and the one coming up under us. Are taught to hate the other no matter which religion you follow. Yes even the Christians are taught that Muslims are bad and evil and don't belong (I reserve my feelings here on somethings radical islam teaches) And tht Jews are incorrect and going to hell.

Vise versa vice. Its the ideological teaching and thinking that is causing allot of the issues as a whole!

At least thats how I see it as of now maybe I'm wrong, weird # does happen (haha)

originally posted by: DarknStormy
Why do you atheist's even comment? Aren't there better threads you could be putting your atheist opinion towards?

1 - I'm a Christian .. not an atheist.
2 - This is a political forum (POLITICAL Ideology), not a religious one.
3 - Questionable ancient religious texts from 4,000 years ago should not determine who gets a piece of land in 2014.

a reply to: Snakedoctorjw

One of the hardest things people can do is decipher who are good religious people and who are the bad religious people. We tend to just throw everyone in the same category. If Christians were running around blowing themselves up we would all be labelled terrorists just like the Muslims are today.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
Why do you atheist's even comment? Aren't there better threads you could be putting your atheist opinion towards?

1 - I'm a Christian .. not an atheist.
2 - This is a political forum (POLITICAL Ideology), not a religious one.
3 - Questionable ancient religious texts from 4,000 years ago should not determine who gets a piece of land in 2014.

So you disagree with the teachings of the Bible yet call yourself a Christian? Christianity came from the Old Testament and with that, modern Jewish law is based off the Old Testament also so it isn't something that only applied 4,000 years ago, it is relevant today also.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
So you disagree with the teachings of the Bible yet call yourself a Christian? Christianity came from the Old Testament.

1 - This is not a religious forum. It's POLITICAL ideology.
2 - I am not the topic, the OPs video is. Stay on topic.
3 - Jesus teachings are capable of standing on their own. Belief in the Old Testament myths, allegories, and folklores are NOT a requirement for Christianity. This has been discussed in the RELIGION forum. If you feel the need to dispute that, then take it to the religion forum.

a reply to: DarknStormy

No I agree, And each one claims the same on the others. The problem is more of an Ideological one more so than which book you read from. This is why I have no use for "RELIGION" Ive read all three I grew up in Church. Ive studied buddha's teachings. For me I ascribe to the Christian leaning, I say God not source of Energy. I view it as all the same, but I TRY to live in the buddha's teachings.

For me buddha set a way of life that compliments a religion. Even though I don't care for religion. As I see allot of the "text" have been altered through out time. I walk with my thoughts and prayers and follow what feels right in my heart and connects with love. I believe thats my steps being lead.

You edited your post to include this ... so I'll address it.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
modern Jewish law is based off the Old Testament also so it isn't something that only applied 4,000 years ago, it is relevant today also.

Some Jewish law and most Muslim laws are based off ancient texts where people claimed to hear God tell them they had the right to lands and the right to slaves and the right to ______ (fill in the blank). This isn't 2,000 BC ... this is 2014 AD. If someone is going to claim the right to a land because a 4,000 year old book claims God said they could have it, then they need to prove the authenticity of that claim in a court of law.

For the Jews to claim God gave it to them ... or for the Muslims to claim that the Jews had that promise but somehow broke it ... well both parties have to prove that God made that promise. Otherwise, it's just a claim based on a VERY old unprovable myth. It won't hold up in a common sense court of law.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I think it would be easier for Israel to pack their crap and piss off knowing that they were wrong in the first place. And though you may have a different point of view when it comes to common sense in a court, why would a religious issue submit itself to a Democratic court? Religion is supposed to be it's own law, not some Western rip everyone off law.

originally posted by: DarknStormy
I think it would be easier for Israel to pack their crap and piss off knowing that they were wrong in the first place.

We are talking about extreme arrogance and entitlement being pounded into people for thousands of years. Being raised on 'God said this tiny spit of land is ours' ... that's heady stuff. The Jews and the Muslims both think that land is theirs based on unsubstantiated 4,000 year old 'promises of God'. And Christians have had it told them via scripture that if they don't support Israel then they are going to hell ("I (God) will bless those who bless you (Israel) and will curse those who ... etc etc ).

Running a country via religious texts ... messy business.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The same can be said for Democracy. The USA has contributed to the slaughter of roughly 1 million people over the last decade and that is still rising today. Anywhere else, that would be Genocide.. Who's the messy ones? Democracy can't even win a war on terror because it's funding the same people it's meant to be fighting. Which one's are corrupt? Democracy is very messy and if Democracy doesn't make sense then how does the legal system make sense?

I have a solution:

Turn the land over to the BLM, and tell Harry Reid that he needs to "run them all out" to save a few turtles... errrr solar power plants... whichever...

Yes he is correct and they were tossed. But, they were also promised a day of restoration and brought back to the land. Its very clear. See Ezekiel. Read the whole thing carefully.

to bad the displaced palistinian christians don't get to stay
guess they only only get to go to second heaven...
oh well, can't catch a break
to bad so sad

Apologies first as i have not listened to the video and it is my bedtime. I have looked for the reference but unable to find it.

As an x christian, I recall reading some where in genesis that if Abraham's line broke the covenant with god that it would revert to Ismael's line, the Arabs.

Perhaps someone could point to the exact scripture.

Who cares. As long as they (Jews, Muslims, and Christians) only have weapons to kill each other and not one person outside of their limited reach...its up to them when the killing and bickering is enough.

Until then let them binge on retardation. It does give you mental/ societal diarrhea. If they choose to spend eternity on the toilet of awesome righteousness and divine legitimacy then its their loss. The rest of us are laughing, smiling and being merry at the party outside where all are invited and the DJ never goes home.

a reply to: tadaman

Well no, your country through your government sticks it's nose in everyone else's business so it isn't about parties and DJ's, what goes around comes around, parties and DJ's are for stupid fools.