MH370 missing (Part 2)

There is very little information, so every possibility will be investigated, but it does not mean that 'terrorists' were indeed behind the disappearance of MH370.

The conflicting part of the emergency call is that dispite they had supposedly listened to the pilots talking about 'cabin collapse' and forced landing, there is a search area thousands of miles away from the location at which it disappeared from radar.

A few weeks ago in the first topic i posted a link to liveleak about a programm from presstv which is on youtube now.



Listen to what the pilot says, the transponder in standby means the aircraft is still visible on radar, only without the additional information such as identification, altitude, speed and so on.
It does however disappear from FR24 or similar sites because these sites are reliant on ads-b information from the transponder.

So if it vanished from radar, that can only mean it had crashed, surely if Malaysia was able to see the aircraft returning to the Malaysian peninsula, Vietnam would have seen the same.

The search is concentrated around data from Inmarsat, the raw data was sent to the U.S where it was processed in to usable information concerning the location of the aircraft.
The three possibilities are; 1 it crashed, 2 it really did flew for up to 7,5 hours to an unknown destination, 3 they are deliberately misleading us and everyone commited to find the aircraft.

So who is behind Inmarsat, who owns this company, what is the link of Inmarsat with the U.S? data from a brittish company was sent to the U.S to be processed, why not back to the UK?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Haha, "our new boeing" it looks more like the A380

originally posted by: roadgravel
The report

Ho Chi Minh first enquired about MH370, informed KL-ATCC that verbal contact was not established with MH370 and radar target was last seen at BITOD.

KL-ATCC informed HCM that after IGARI, MH370 did not return to
Lumpur frequency.

HCM queried about MH370 again, stating that radar contact was established over IGARI but there was no verbal contact. Ho Chi Minh
advised that the observed radar blip disappeared at waypoint BITOD.

They used the term 'at' which sounds like it was there.

What Ho Chi Minh were receiving were real time transponder returns via SITA picked up on VHF repeater station at Kuala Terengganu. Vietnam has no radar coverage of its own for the area.

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: violet

originally posted by: Golantrevize
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Where is the black box situated on a plane? And will the ROV have adequate tools to get it and bring it back? On accident such as these do they leave the corpses in the ocean or it is possible to have them sent back to their families? Anyone knows the rate of putrefaction of a human body in the ocean? Must be quick with al these shrimps and crabs down there.

I think the flight data recorder or black box is located in the tail. The other one, the cockpit voice recorder I don't know.

To retrieve wreckage they would need different equipment.
It wouldn't surprise me if all they do is just show photos of the wreckage and say sorry we can't get back down there to get it. It's buried in silt.

Can't really trust what's being reported.

Really? Why not? What concrete evidence do you have that we "can't trust what is being reported"? My God, why does EVERYTHING have to be some goofball conspiracy around here? Sometimes things are simply a mystery waiting to be solved rather than some nefarious conspiracy by THEM. Like this. I mean really, what is the realistic motivation for a conspiracy here?! Nations are POURING money into this search and giving hour by hour updates and yet people are STILL questioning every single thing they are told. Some of you people are just never going to believe anything you eventually learn about this and really it's kind of sad. Increasingly I wonder how many of the folks on this site have a genuine mental illness. Just sayin...

Ok there was no need to talk like that to me. I think You have a mental illness to snap and be so hostile to another person who has said nothing to you and nothing about there being a conspiracy behind it's disappearance. I said the search seems a bit shady. There could be things they very well won't reveal or are you dense? Must be, you joined a conspiracy site But you don't like conspiracies.

originally posted by: sy.gunson

originally posted by: roadgravel
The report

Ho Chi Minh first enquired about MH370, informed KL-ATCC that verbal contact was not established with MH370 and radar target was last seen at BITOD.

KL-ATCC informed HCM that after IGARI, MH370 did not return to
Lumpur frequency.

HCM queried about MH370 again, stating that radar contact was established over IGARI but there was no verbal contact. Ho Chi Minh
advised that the observed radar blip disappeared at waypoint BITOD.

They used the term 'at' which sounds like it was there.

What Ho Chi Minh were receiving were real time transponder returns via SITA picked up on VHF repeater station at Kuala Terengganu. Vietnam has no radar coverage of its own for the area.

Do you think the data showed that the plane reached that way point?

a reply to: sy.gunson

a reply to: sy.gunson

This is from a friend of mine. I have his permission to share. Totally new idea hash it out. I will add more as the discussion is on going.

I think the technology used to locate the metal and hydrocarbon anomaly in the Bay of Bengal is magnetic resonance. The earth supplies the magnetic field which causes slight alignment of nucleii with spin. The satellite may be providing the focused pulse of radio frequency to cause these aligned nucleii to tip and coils on board a vessel over the site detects the echo signal. The confirmation is that all the elements in their report have spins like 1/2, 3/2, 5/2. This is not new to science but the sensitivity of it is the new thing. They must be recording a large number of pulse echos. The experts are caught flat footed and deny that anything like this is possible. Instead they rely on a never before used analysis of satellite communication delay times to pinpoint an arc. They may be right but they have no physical evidence like the magnetic resonance signals. The detection of a frequency like that of the black box is very prone to signal to noise problems. Note the Chinese vessel detected this frequency several hundred miles from the site of recent focus using only hand operated microphones on sticks.


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a reply to: sy.gunson

Well if Vietnam is questionable and China seems to be the only source concerning the emergency call (America has not mentioned anything about hearing such a message) It means nobody really knows anything.

That leaves us with the possiblity that they had seen the aircraft above the Malacca Strait (if it really was MH370) and the pings of which some were initiated by the aircraft and of which the accuracy is a great questionmark.

a reply to: Arbitrageur


that gave me chills! how old is that advertisement???

aboutdotcom says that ad is fake, but....still creepy nontheless

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I don't know this has been going on for almost 3 months now and they are no closer to solving this disappearance today than they were the night it happened on March 8, 2014. It is terrible that so many lives hang in limbo with the world not knowing their fate.

Does there come a point where they have to say 'We just don't know' and abandon the search? Maybe focus on things they have learned so far to make sure this never happens again. Maybe one day this mystery will be solved but until then, fix problems for others that are hindering their ability to find this plane.

The plane disappeared from radar - make a concerted effort to ensure that procedure is in place that when a flight leaves one tracking system, there is a notification that they have been picked up by the next radar track

Black box of in flight communication can't be located (battery had died) - have a virtual recording of all cockpit activity that is kept for a set period of time once the plane lands at its destination and is confirmed free of incident then deleted.

The plane possibly ended its flight in the ocean - have an exterior device that separates from the plane and floats to the surface to communicate directly with satellites.

Yes it is horrible that this plane may never be found but I think they have to start back at square 1. Maybe I am off base here but a lot of money and time is being spent on this search when they could begin looking at implementing new technology that could prevent this from ever happening again.

a reply to: whatnext21



That is the same remark which i mentioned a few days ago on another forum, refine the ELT so that it is able to stay afloat and thus can transmit an emergency signal, place one on the outside of the aircraft as well.

Regarding your questions over the predicted paths shown in the preliminary report, here is what a weibo contact has told me (she has a family member onboard the flight, and was present at the Beijing briefing on April 29):

“Only the ‘Estimate Data to Beijing’ chart was produced by Malaysian aviation authorities. The rest charts, including the ’7 Data Point’ elevation angles chart and the BFO chart, were provided by Inmarsat. All parties at the Malaysia side, including its government and aviation department, didn’t perform any other data calculation except the ‘Estimate Data to Beijing’ chart. Malaysia has no raw data; it doesn’t know Inmarsat’s algorithm. It’s impossible for them to produce any kind of predicted paths.”

Duncan Steel

originally posted by: earthling42

Thanks for posting up this video of Mathias Chang. It was a refreshing view on the matter and a good expose on the mass-media generated half-truths.

Bottom Line : who benefited and who had the power to cover it up ?

We know that MH370 was carrying Lithium ion batteries as cargo, at first it was mentioned that it was only about 200 kg.
But the cargo bill showed otherwise, MH370 had 2453 kg lithium ion batteries as part of it's cargo.
The assumption was made that they might be goods which contained batteries.
But note this part on page 5 of the cargo bill 'In compliance with sect II of p.i 965'.

I think we can be fairly certain that they were only batteries, not goods which contained them.

PACKING INSTRUCTION 965

originally posted by: earthling42
I think we can be fairly certain that they were only batteries, not goods which contained them.

Good information, thanks for posting it.

Yes, it seems to suggest that it would be packed in compliance with part 966 or 967 if the batteries were packed along with other equipment or inside other equipment, so 965 does suggest batteries only, but I'm not really certain of anything, like how do I know it's not a typo that's supposed to say 966 instead of 965? Or where did the 200kg figure come from? Why would they say one thing and then release documents which contradict it?

I have more questions than answers really, but at least someone questioning lithium batteries seems more plausible as a possible cause, than some of the other theories floating around. For all I know, 200kg might be enough to cause problems with the aircraft if they overheated and got out of control.

The Malaysian government finally released a recording today with their report of the conversation between Malaysian Flight 370 and Air Traffic Control. I had the opportunity to listen to the recording and have several concerns from an audio forensic perspective.

Whole article

a reply to: Arbitrageur

During the regular press conference of Malaysia's Transport Minister on Mar 24th 2014 the airline representative stated, that the first officer was on his 6th flight on the Boeing 777 after having undergone conversion training from another aircraft type. The aircraft was carrying wooden pallets but there is no evidence the wooden pallet sighted in the South Indian Ocean was one carried by MH-370. The aircraft was carrying 200kg of Lithium batteries packaged in full compliance with safety requirements in addition to electronics and several tons of fruit.

avherald

there is some secrecy concerning this cargo, i do not think they would make a mistake like that.
the question is, what than is held secret from the public.

a reply to: earthling42

Quite the interesting review of the tape. Something isn't right. Almost seems like something is being hidden but the ATC people should know the truth.

At this point that government has little credibility, IMO.

originally posted by: earthling42
There is very little information, so every possibility will be investigated, but it does not mean that 'terrorists' were indeed behind the disappearance of MH370.

The conflicting part of the emergency call is that dispite they had supposedly listened to the pilots talking about 'cabin collapse' and forced landing, there is a search area thousands of miles away from the location at which it disappeared from radar.

A few weeks ago in the first topic i posted a link to liveleak about a programm from presstv which is on youtube now.



Listen to what the pilot says, the transponder in standby means the aircraft is still visible on radar, only without the additional information such as identification, altitude, speed and so on.
It does however disappear from FR24 or similar sites because these sites are reliant on ads-b information from the transponder.

So if it vanished from radar, that can only mean it had crashed, surely if Malaysia was able to see the aircraft returning to the Malaysian peninsula, Vietnam would have seen the same.

No the disappearance from radar is related to coverage range of the radar.

The SSR radar is based 23 miles north east of Kuala Lumpur in the Ginting Highlands. The ADS-B ground station is located on the east coast at Kuala Terengganu. It flew beyond radar range before it flew out of range of ADS-B coverage.

Re tapes of the distress call from MH370 these were requested from the NSA under the Freedom of Information Act but that request was denied on the grounds of Executive Order 13526: “…the MH370 disappearance has been classified as a matter ‘to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign relations’….”

FOIA request declined