Olivia Chow: Thin Edge of the Liberal Wedge in Toronto?

reply to post by InTheLight


Not saying she wouldn't ,but if she did ,she would be in with the majority when it comes to making decisions once they get into power .As of yet she is not and hasn't .Who was it again that had that million dollar gazebo built in his neighbor hood ? Oh yea that's right another Conservative .

the2ofusr1
reply to post by InTheLight

 

Not saying she wouldn't ,but if she did ,she would be in with the majority when it comes to making decisions once they get into power .As of yet she is not and hasn't .Who was it again that had that million dollar gazebo built in his neighbor hood ? Oh yea that's right another Conservative .

Looking out for number one is as looking out for number one.

reply to post by InTheLight


I don't know her personally but she was with a guy (Jack) who seemed to have or hold a value of integrity .I was actually surprised that she left federal politics to run for mayor but I can also understand because of what goes on in Parliament .Maybe she looked at city council and liked what she seen there and at the same time looked at Rob and said to her self that Toronto deserves better ..dont know

the2ofusr1
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I don't know her personally but she was with a guy (Jack) who seemed to have or hold a value of integrity .I was actually surprised that she left federal politics to run for mayor but I can also understand because of what goes on in Parliament .Maybe she looked at city council and liked what she seen there and at the same time looked at Rob and said to her self that Toronto deserves better ..dont know

So, then, we really don't know her background, history, and intentions.

the2ofusr1
Yea we know there are big bucks and there are big actors but just maybe little Olivia might just think of the little big actors in this case ....

That is definitely true. In my thread, John Tory: Dangerous Dunce I discuss that point in relation to the fact that there is more money to be made by "bad planning" than by good planning. Every time government builds it, fixes it or tears it down, THE TAXPAYER, foots the bill.

This is why Olivia Chow, of the party of big unions, is not a threat to monied interests on the right. Both groups want to get as many tax dollars spent as possible.

The money spent is divided between the big guy and the little guys.

For some reason, somebody, or perhaps a lot of somebodies, didn't want Ford elected in the first place, way before his famous midnights at various oases.

It's the big patterns that tell the story. Ford is for Toronto, not for people on the right, who aren't defending him (except for Conrad Black and the late Jim Flaherty, whose State Funeral was held today in Toronto), or for people on the left, who have joined the "cosmetologists" like Olivia, people who think Ford would be an embarrassment to the grandchildren and ignore his real, first time in decades, accomplishments.

Ford is someone who, as Mayor, is in a position to get between very powerful people and the money they feel they are owed by . . . guess who. If you guessed the provincial government, you're a winner!! Here's your imaginary big stuffed panda. Olivia has been inserted into this campaign, I believe, to try to rectify that situation.

reply to post by ipsedixit


There are a lot of anti ford voters ,or I would imagine there would be .It wouldn't matter who would be running against him they will get votes .I don't think that Olivia would be a bad decision seeing she has been in the public for some time now .She has or should have a better feeling and position with the small guy but she must also have experience with some of the bigger players .That experience I think will or can work to Toronto's advantage .She already has a knowledge how provincial and federal politics work so I don't see anything suspicious or bad about that .One thing is for sure , she will not become the brunt of a joke that Rob has been not to just Toronto or Ontario or Canada or North America or the world . Yea Rob really put Toronto on the world map but... really ... He doesnt need the job and I am sure Toronto is not going to fall apart because Rob is not there ..

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I don't think cosmetology is reason enough to get rid of Ford and I think Olivia, unlike Ford, is an implement being used by the provincial government to weaken leadership in Toronto and to guarantee "made at Queen's Park" solutions to city problems.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Well like I said at the start , I don't have a horse in the race but as someone on the outside I would take Olivia .# 1 is that she is a woman # 2 is that she is NDP # 3 is because of Rob Ford's ease at which he lies .I couldn't care less that he does substances and if he doesn't care if he's toasted at work, that is only his shame on Toronto to bare . If it's possible for a stoned mayor to take care of business then I am sure Olivia wont have much of a problem filling the position .Unless if her granddaughter gets too hard to handle ...peace

Not much to choose from, I must say.

ipsedixit Prediction: The next thing you are going to see in this campaign is Kathleen Wynne, who is a very shrewd, smart, intuitive politician, publicly distancing herself from Olivia Chow.

Wynne is going to do this because if she does not give the appearance of distance from Chow, some of Chow's supporters in the NDP are finally going to realize that by cooperating with Wynne on Toronto's transit issues, Chow, widow of the deceased Benedict Arnold of the NDP, is working against the interests of the NDP party in the next provincial election, and these people, unwilling to undermine the provincial NDP by supporting Chow, will vote for another candidate or not vote at all in the election for Mayor of Toronto.

Everything Chow does to dovetail her efforts with the plans of the provincial Liberals, is a stab in the back to the provincial NDP.

The winner is going to be Ford.

He has done good things to Toronto, and majority still likes him, his drug problem is not a big issue for the majority.

From what i understood, the mayor campaign doesn't really have a party.

reply to post by luciddream

Part of the reason I started this thread about Olivia Chow is that currently, as of this week, she is showing a significant lead over Ford in the polls. Now that is just one poll with a small sample, but, in my mind one has to be wary of momentum building for an opposition candidate. It is important to nip it in the bud if possible.

Significant build ups of momentum are almost impossible to counter. They will bulldoze through almost any negative publicity a candidate might encounter during a campaign.

Olivia Chow has not really been challenged in a significant way in this campaign. Ford and Tory had better get on this problem ASAP. I think I am giving them talking points in this thread.

I'm starting to waver a little on Tory. I'm not so negative about him.

Pablo Picasso once said words to the effect of, "If you are not making enemies, you are not doing your job." From that standpoint Ford is the Picasso of Toronto politics. There is no doubt that he is a "black magic" cost cutter and perhaps fund raiser. Even the Star referenced a major fund raiser recently, commenting on the Ford Brothers' use of "bobble head" dolls to raise money. "These guys are either the smartest guys in the room or the dumbest guys in the room." I think they are the smartest, despite Rob's personal problems.

Can John Tory be that smart? Is John Tory willing to make enemies to put the city first? Tory is a great guy personally, but can he be ruthless enough to be a great Mayor of a great city?

I know Rob Ford can be.

reply to post by ipsedixit

Can John Tory be that smart? Is John Tory willing to make enemies to put the city first? Tory is a great guy personally, but can he be ruthless enough to be a great Mayor of a great city?

If he can connect with the poor and middle class, he will win. He will definitely have the support of the upper rich.

So far those two groups likes Ford.

Thing about Olivia chow is kinda ambiguous, i mean, b4 jack Layton died, the NDP was making a comeback(one of the reason PC won due to people split vote between NDP and Liberal).

Are people going to pick Chow over Ford? How s she going to grab people's attention. I liked the way Jack did things, but that is over.

reply to post by luciddream

I think both Jack and Olivia were bad apples for reasons I have already mentioned. I think Olivia is going to continue in that vein. Their forte was pandering to big unions and not rocking the boat among the truly powerful. Jack shut Mulcair up when the latter questioned the UN role in Libya. I don't like these people. To me they are the "slum lords" or "Fagins" of Canadian politics, taking advantage of the unsophisticated.

Bob Rae was an NDP leader I could respect, but he was shafted by the big unions who were stupid enough to ditch him over "Rae Days" and received Mike Harris as premier as a reward for their treachery.

Interesting quotation from the cloyingly obnoxious Olivia Chow following the Liberal victory in the Ontario provincial election:

www.torontosun.com...

The good news for all of Toronto’s mayoral candidates is they now know it will be the Liberals they will be dealing with for the next four years.

The buck stops with Wynne.

“That’s why I stayed neutral throughout the entire provincial campaign,” said former NDP MP Olivia Chow, a frontrunner in the mayoral race.

It looks like during the election campaign Olivia gave us another example of cynical opportunism and treachery toward the socialists who put her and her late husband into elected office. The provincial NDP probably won't even notice Olivia's "stand down" for the duration of their struggle, but I hope Toronto's voters do notice.

Olivia is quite pleased with her amazing 20/20 hindsight. You see, she knew Andrea Horwath was going to be defeated and did nothing to prevent it by ducking out of the NDP campaign, careful to keep her head down and be ready for the moment when she became the Liberal Party candidate for Mayor of Toronto.

Even a dunce could have seen that self congratulatory revelation coming.

Here are some examples of ridings where Toronto area NDP voters might be said to have been stabbed in the back by Oliva Chow:

www.cbc.ca...

The worst case is Beaches-East York, where incumbent NDP MPP Michael Prue was beaten by Arthur Potts running for the Liberals, by a mere 31 votes. This riding will certainly be recounted and Prue might prevail after the recount, but I'm sure he would have appreciated Olivia's high profile support during the campaign.



Are you an NDP supporter? Do you live in this riding? Are you going to support Olivia's bid to be Mayor of Toronto?

Here are other fairly close races that might have been influenced by some push from Olivia, if she had not chosen to "stand down" and bide her time, waiting for Horwath to lose.







NDP voters need to wake up to the fact that counting on Olivia is a crap shoot.

PC got destroyed last night.

I mean... really bad.