Breaking! Bundy Ranch Double Cross? More Feds, Cops, Vehicles, Equipment Arriving!

I am not a vet but have had a lot of training by friends that are. I'm making some calls to see if we might make a road trip...checking supplies.

It's says in a post this was Saturday, seemingly confirmed by the videomaker.

Now looking at the Youtube video, it was published yesterday, so Saturday is probably correct.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


I've been reading through ATS and I can't determine the "right" that is being removed or withheld from the cattle rancher.

Does the government "own" the grazing land or not? Sovereign nations make the rules for land ownership and taxation. Go ask the Native Americans,Mexicans, Spanish, French, English about the fairness of land ownership in the US.

I am fundamentally opposed to violence as a solution to social problems. If this is a honey pot to draw out whack jobs to be neutralized, I'm afraid it will work.

i don't know much about what's going on here
but i haven't heard *ONE* little thing about this on any of the mainstream news (australia here)
..that's probably all i need to know?

facelift
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Yup... Will i see you their ?


Well, I prefer not to announce my insurgent actions, especially on a site such as ATS.


It kinda makes it harder for 'them' to prepare.

Perfect! then ill see you there .....

reply to post by smurfy

It's says in a post this was Saturday, seemingly confirmed by the videomaker.

Now looking at the Youtube video, it was published yesterday, so Saturday is probably correct.

Whenever this was, it was after all the cattle were supposed to have been released. It was also after they said 'it was all over'. Because... The lady said so.

jude11
The Govt. will not back away until they have accomplished their mission to show the people they can't win.

the redcoats kept this false belief in 1775, some brave men proved them wrong. although it took a few months before the country declared Independence

giving the Govt. their reason to label all free men as the enemy.

the corrupt foreign controlled bankster owned federal govt already DID this, MIAC report, NDAA and Patriot Act. plus the NSA

They are going to massacre a lot of farmers, men women and perhaps children. I believe this is the match that lights the fire in America. It's been coming to this for a long time.

if that really plays out, I am glad to not be a fed. the rage will be immense, and millions will join militias. Also, i think groups like the 1%'rs will start clipping traitors (feds). the H.A., A/B, and Italian Mafia decades ago prepared their lists.*

*they have lists of the home addresses of most of the federal agents and cops nationwide since the early 90's during the last militia movements. And secretly, the DOJ was honestly scared. This is a large reason why the prisons are still ran by the inmates.

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I wonder if this will be the first "in your face" use of NDAA indefinite detention?

jude11
This was to be expected.

The Govt. will not back away until they have accomplished their mission to show the people they can't win. Their win here will cause many to accept their new place at the bottom and will also stir a lot to action thus giving the Govt. their reason to label all free men as the enemy.

They are going to massacre a lot of farmers, men, women and perhaps children. I believe this is the match that lights the fire in America. It's been coming to this for a long time.

Peace

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The video pretty much sums it up. They were vastly outnumbered and testing the waters in the first video of the BLM pulling back. Now that they know what they are up against and have done their surveillance, they are ready. This should get interesting. As another poster or two have said, I seriously doubt the militia will do squat. Time will tell.
Firepiston

reply to post by nighthawk1954


I'm looking. I still can't help confirm this. There is no mention of the feds returning on the bundy blog... BTW here's a link to Bundy's Ranch blog... bundyranch.blogspot.com...

The date on the video is from Yesterday.

I am sure they were massing troops but I believe it has been put on stand down.

I saw this story at 12:01 today, did some checking and couldn't get any confirmation.

Just saying.

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This should get interesting. As another poster or two have said, I seriously doubt the militia will do squat.

In the link I provided in my last post on this thread, they indicated that militia members were being pulled over before they made it to Bundy's Ranch. They claim that their legal guns were being confiscated. They can't do much without their guns.

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On what account were there guns taken. If they have a ccw and are legally in possession of there self defense weapon what law can have them disarmed? Just asking as this sounds like a major 2nd amendment violation. Now if they had a rocket launcher that would be different.

Tucket

LightningStrikesHere
If this is true , i am going this time
Locked and loaded..

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Here is some Epic inspirational soundtrack music just incase you need to pump the wheels..

eta: Good Luck!

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i think this is more appropriate.


do ya think ol ted knew way back in 1975 what was going to happen?

reply to post by nighthawk1954


This article is from today.

In another twist, private investigator Doug Hagmann claims a Department of Homeland Security source told him that the federal stand down on Saturday was merely a temporary measure designed to “hoodwink” Bundy supporters into “believing that the situation is being resolved”.
Hagmann says his source told him the plan to release the cattle had been devised the day before and that Saturday’s activities were focused around a military assessment of the strength of the “resistance” shown by Bundy supporters.

Infowars article

This is not going to end well for anyone. I would imagine a lot of the so called "protesters" were actually cops in disguise;l
Taking pictures of the event and the attendees, vehicles and plates. Haven't you learned by now that agent provocateurs are always in attendance at any
protest, be it antiwar, OWS, etc. Why would this be any different?

If you think the BLM, NSA, TSA, DHS, FBI and ATF are stupid and don't anticipate each and every movement; I suggest you do a little research not be naive and get yourself into something you might regret.

All this adolescent macho bravado is well and good but it's best to know what you are actually dealing with. This is a far cry from 1776,

If you don't know what an "agent Provocateur" is....I suggest you find out!! I'm even suspicious of some of the more vociferous ATS members.

Hopefully they arrest that Cliven Bundy and get those cattle out of there.

No better than a tax-dodger and well deserving of some prison time.

olaru12


If you think the BLM, NSA, TSA, DHS, FBI and ATF are stupid and don't anticipate each and every movement; I suggest you do a little research not be naive and get yourself into something you might regret.

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They don't anticipate every move...They make errors just as much as anyone else....in fact law enforcement in general is a trap.

There are infinite scenarios that the public could do against them to get them sued. LEO is a very difficult if not impossible career to be in. Ill give ATS lawsuit idea number 1.....

Get yourself arrested...most cops will properly cuff you and escort you at all times..however some will tell you to walk somewhere on your own (without helping you)...if you trip and fall while walking somewhere on your own and have no hands to stop yourself from hitting the ground...well ....welcome yourself to some money. There are a million scenarios like this.

There is more than one way to fight back. Im not advocating this but I can guarantee these guys are not trained like you think...in fact most feds dont know 1/2 the job a street cop knows. Id honestly be more worried if they sent Chicago PD or NYPD down there.

I literally once watched a federal agent illegally enter a house...after asking him wtf he was doing he said it was in his right...He didnt know the law...been on the job for years but really hadn't been in the field that much. BLM...they are f'ing park rangers...sure many are vets..those are the ones that know their #. Youd be amazed at how inexperienced these guys are...just completely amazed.

I wouldnt doubt they pulled them out out of fear one of em would do something stupid.

Edit: The only people trained in open field combat is the military and maybe some swat teams...most swat is focused on urban training. And even the the agents that do get the training..they all go out...run through a few scenarios...eat pizza for lunch and smile that have a training day instead of a work day so they can slack off...ill wager they dont have the motivation the public has.


Edit 2: While im fired up ill share another story at a wedding...I have several friends in about every alphabet agency you can think of...we went to share some stories around the table at a wedding....After hearing their best....absolute best stories...I thought to myself...I do that once a week...(when I was a street cop)...their best moments in years behind a desk involved them one time going on some raid where they got to carry a shotgun...or maybe one of the swat guys let them fire a submachine gun on the range lol...these guys were hired for their degree, integrity, and much more...but they don't have the battle experience.