The Bundy Boondoggle - Nevada standoff: Yes, it’s solar-industry cronies (but NOT the Chinese)

reply to post by AlphaHawk


Even if the OP was not deliberately spreading misinformation, even if it was all true. It's perfectly legal. The government owns that land and can do whatever it likes with it. Cronyism is 100% allowed in Congress. But let's not address that. Let's not talk about ways to get money out of politics, let's all just cry and whine and point fingers when someone we don't like does something we don't like. Let's keep deregulating businesses ability to influence politics.

FFS...

reply to post by xuenchen


Xuenchen, I'm certain this must have been pointed out already. I know I posted this image in one of the many Bundy-related threads.

From the BLM report you linked; page 31 of the report (page 37 of the .PDF file):
(my blue circle Gold Butte area is a bit small)

See the arrow in the middle of the pic pointing to the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone? That isn't in the Gold Butte area (the big orange area on the right).

reply to post by Olivine

Actually if you use google maps and try to spot the area shown in this map of the solar plant zone you will see that the Dry Lake SEZ is not even on that map.

They are 160 miles apart.

reply to post by daskakik


Yes that's where they might put the panels.

But read the entire BLM report.

The whole area is under environmental "mitigation".

Gold Butte isn't the only area either.

And the simple fact that they even mention cattle as a threat indicates they see Bundy's cows as trouble.

The only cows around there are Bundy's.

Did you think just a very small area is the entire project area?

And your map is showing different than the BLM map in the post above yours.

And the BLM area map (in the OP) refers to the Gold Butte project Area, not a specific location.

reply to post by xuenchen

The map that I linked to shows the Dry Valley SEZ north of the spot pinpointed by googlemaps so even further from the area where the cows have been grazing.

Yes, the area in dispute is rather small and there is a large area in which to build a solar plant so I don't think it is the reason for going after Bundy.

daskakik
reply to post by xuenchen

 

The map that I linked to shows the Dry Valley SEZ north of the spot pinpointed by googlemaps so even further from the area where the cows have been grazing.

Yes, the area in dispute is rather small and there is a large area in which to build a solar plant so I don't think it is the reason for going after Bundy.

edit on 14-4-2014 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

Your road map does not show the proposed "Dry Lake Zone" solar panel location.

The other map does.

Your map unfortunately is not accurate and the mileage is because there aren't direct roads.

Your "Dry Lake Valley" is NOT the same as the BLM "Dry Lake Zone".

Look at the actual maps in the real BLM report.

LOL

reply to post by xuenchen


It isn't my map, it is the map linked to in the document you posted so that the bidders can draw up their proposals.

It specifically says:

During the development of the Solar Energy Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and Record of Decision (ROD), the BLM identified 469 acres of floodplain and wetland as non-development areas within the Dry Lake SEZ, leaving 5,717 acres within the SEZ as available for development. A map of the SEZ can be viewed and downloaded at: solareis.anl.gov...

AlphaHawk
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Tenuous links to Reid and Obama there.

Au, Contraire!

What is this in The New York Times?

Nevada Ranch Standoff Could Leave Dirt On Harry Reid’s Reputation

Mr. Kornze, 35, worked as a senior policy adviser on land-use issues in Mr. Reid’s office from 2003 to 2011 before joining the BLM. He was confirmed by the Senate on a 71-28 vote after serving as the agency’s principal deputy director, even though Republicans had qualms about his lack of experience compared with past BLM directors.

During the confirmation hearing Dec. 17, Mr. Reid called his former aide “just perfect for the job,” even as Republicans noted that
previous BLM directors Bob Abbey and Jim Caswell were career federal land managers each with more than 30 years’ experience.

“I remain concerned you lack the experience required for the position of BLM director,” Sen. John Barrasso, Wyoming Republican, told Mr. Kornze at the hearing, according to the Review-Journal.
www.washingtontimes.com...

So then, if Kornze really was not really qualified for the job,
why did Dirty Harry place him there?

Oh, it could'nt be so his hand picked guy would continue
to pave the way for his dirty deals?

daskakik
reply to post by xuenchen

 

It isn't my map, it is the map linked to in the document you posted so that the bidders can draw up their proposals.

It specifically says:

During the development of the Solar Energy Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) and Record of Decision (ROD), the BLM identified 469 acres of floodplain and wetland as non-development areas within the Dry Lake SEZ, leaving 5,717 acres within the SEZ as available for development. A map of the SEZ can be viewed and downloaded at: solareis.anl.gov...

edit on 14-4-2014 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

I think your link is also referring to other projects and other zones.

look closely.

We see a "Dry Lake" and a "Dry Lake Valley North" on a map.... as well as many other projects.

two dry lake projects?

again, this is confusing.




The "Gold Butte" and Bundy area is directly East of the "Dry Lake" point

reply to post by xuenchen

True the northern site seems to be dated 2012.

Neither site is near bundy ranch.

daskakik
reply to post by xuenchen

 

But the southern one is the "Chinese" project, which this thread is not about, and the northern project is the one dated 2014. Neither is actually near Bundy ranch.

No.

The one you call "the southern one" is way further South in Laughlin, NV.

That's the one that was cancelled last year.

Not the same as "Dry Lake" in Clark County.

That project was also a private project and the land was on Clark County property not Federal land that the BLM manages.

Different project.

Laughlin Project

daskakik
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Neither site is near bundy ranch.

Depends, near enough though.

Thing is, Dirty Harry is up to his eyeballs in this, a long time in the making.

He tries hard to keep it on the hush, but he has been doing these self beneficial
deals for a long while. So dirty it landed one of his cronies in jail!

Feds Call For Prison Time For Ex-Nevada Lobbyist and
Harry Reid Buddy Harvey Whittemore

Publish date: Sept. 25, 2013

Federal prosecutors filed documents Tuesday saying fallen Nevada power-broker Harvey Whittemore should be sentenced to four-plus years in prison for making illegal campaign contributions to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, while Whittemore's lawyers said probation is the appropriate sentence.
www.rgj.com...

Harry Reid has a vested interest in much of that surrounding land, but he does
not give a rats ass about anyone else he is protected, he even rides on the very
same "grandfathered" in claims!

Harry Reid 'owns' 200 acres in Searchlight, all old BLM mining patent deeds inherited from his miner dad,
all filled with desert Tortoise. His home is surrounded by the 14 abandoned mines that he owns�old sites with
names like Spotted Horse, Diamond Wedge, and Cyrus Noble.

The question is why does he have ancestral claim to this land while the Bundys do not to their grazing rights?
Reid's claim to that land are mining patents, dependent on BLM favouritism since he no longer mines anything.

Maybe he should be evicted, since his claims rest on old mining law from 1872.
www.futurnamics.com...

But, that wont happen will it? Why?

Because he has made sure he put his own man in the spot, to carry out the rest of
the Agenda 21 plans.editby]

daskakik
reply to post by xuenchen

 

True the northern site seems to be dated 2012.

Neither site is near bundy ranch.

edit on 14-4-2014 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

As we progress here....

The Bundy Ranch is on the northern tip of the BLM land that they are calling the "Gold Butte" area.

The cattle were removed from the Gold Butte area on Federal land.

Bunkerville, NV is the small town outside of the Federal land.

They are "clearing" the Federal lands.

The report says clearly that they are "mitigating" the entire area.

re-read the whole BLM mitigation report.

p.36 mentions the trespassing cattle.

the only cattle there are Bundy's cattle.

reply to post by xuenchen

I was going off of the document in the OP and it refers to the Project in Clark County. I mistook it to be the northern site, Dry Lake North.

Neither is near the Bundy ranch and I'm not buying "close enough".

reply to post by burntheships


Did Harry Reids ancestors give there land to Nevada like Bundys did? This is relevant i think.

Edit to add:

The government doesn't need a engendered species to eminent domain private property for a power plant. A power plant even if owned by the Chinese would be considered a public works project like a highway or railroad project. At first I was on the Bundys side but the more I read the more I'm convinced that it was his own greed, perhaps his resentment towards his own family for giving the land to Nevada that spurred him not to pay the fees. I also now think the government rounding up his cattle is because he refused to pay these fees and has nothing to do with any solar power plant.

LDragonFire
reply to post by burntheships

 

Did Harry Reids ancestors give there land to Nevada like Bundys did? This is relevant i think.

What is relevant is the terms in which that Bundy land was given to Nevada.

And it is also relevant that Harry Reid is making sure he was exempt from the
"reason" this is all happening in the first place, the protected natural habitat
of the Desert Tortoise.

How many Desert Tortoise did Reid kill putting in "Searchlight"?
A four lane highway to his development?

And also very relevant, Harry Reids connections to Coyote Springs
development. Yeah, how many Desert Toroise took a hit there?

Never mind.

Did anyone really think that land grab, and cattle 'rustling' really was over to save a GD turtle ?

When they have been killing it themselves?

Then after 20 years of that rancher giving the middle finger to the BLM one day they decided to go all 'gestapo' on him.

The truth is looking people in the eye.

Some will deny it because 'government wouldn't do that' .

OH HELL YES THEY WOULD.

reply to post by neo96


Im at work and got to get the word out through my phone. Been watching the Bundy issue for days. Just saw a video posted today - Feds are piling back in NOW with mobile command center, police and paddy wagons at the bundy ranch area. If anyone has a moment to check it out please add on or start a thread.

LDragonFire
reply to post by burntheships

 

I also now think the government rounding up his cattle is because he refused to pay these fees and has nothing to do with any solar power plant.

Heh, Gubbment "stated reasons" are it is a protected Desert Tortoise area,
which is nothing more than Agenda 21 in one of its most ludicrous examples.

See how this works is America's land and laws used to be for the people, now
they are a mish mash of international UN "diversity" concepts, which are really
"communist comformity" all wrapped up in Green.

But, all very good subterfuge for corrupt politicians making sure they get their
house protected from immenient domain, and Agenda 21 does not apply to
them, only the other guy. All the while, as Xue has pointed out spending
millions of taxpayer dollars on a Boondoggle!