Good evidence for Atheism and Theism.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


Yes just like the person you were replying to said. By seeing proof of god you mean an intangible feeling that could just all be in your head.

You have to admit that the proof of god Christians see daily COULD be all in your head. Right?

While the pictures of ecreation discs seen by Hubble are not in our heads.

ArtemisE
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Yes just like the person you were replying to said. By seeing proof of god you mean an intangible feeling that could just all be in your head.

You have to admit that the proof of god Christians see daily COULD be all in your head. Right?

While the pictures of ecreation discs seen by Hubble are not in our heads.

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Do you love your mother? Do you love your father? Or does love not exist either? Is it just an intangible feeling that is just within your head?

Also, that argument can go right back at whoever started this. All the evidence you see daily that God does not exist could just be all in your head. Not to mention I have only had one person give evidence that the Christian God might not exist so i told him I would devote a thread to it.

AfterInfinity
Oh, nice little baiting trick. But America is not the topic, nor is it at all relevant. Keep your political barbs to the political forums. At least America requires child molestation to be reported to the proper authorities, unlike certain religious establishments.

What? I don't agree with the religious establishment's, I don't see them as the leader's of my religion either. As for child molestation, it shouldn't happen at all regardless of religion or culture. I'm sure the rates are one of the highest in the world in the USA though, yeah?

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


Yes love exists, obviously lol. We can measure the oxytocin rise. Love is a chemical reaction we've measured. It also has an evolutionary benifit. All animals protect there young and some mate for life. Mating for life is far more love then most humans ever experience. There's no comparison at all. Your reaching. We don't have faith love exists. We see and test it. Y'all see god, but only you see him and everyone's god is unique to them.

Do you know how many people ( myself included) have searched for any tangible proof? Basically all of us and in all of human history all we've got is anchient texts who's testable claims have all been disproven.

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No... We have lower
Rates per capita in all the violent crimes , then almost any culture in history. In Rome petaphilia was accepted. Hell in America slavery was legal till the last century and a half! Society has only improved with time knowledge and technology.

While if you wanna see what happens when religion rules society. All you gotta do is look at dark ages Europe and the Arab world now. Religion has caused far more trouble then it's fixed. There was no golden age where prayer in school made our society better. While we were praying in schools we were burning crosses in black peoples front yards.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


I don't see daily evidence god doesn't exist.... I'm open to the thought of it. Fact is there's no evidence for gods existance and any testable claim in the bible has been wrong. So logic would dictate it's all fairy tales. That's what faith is. Is believing in something when you have no reason to.


So god hid himself so well from us that we could never find any proof of him. Made sure all the things in the bible we could check were wrong. Just so he could torture anyone who wasn't illogical enough to believe in something that all logic and reason says isn't real. While rewarding those foolish enough to believe in anything with eternal paradise.

That's just nuts... I think you would agree if not for a life time if brain washing. If you were to " look at the chess board from the side" you wouldn't be drinking their cool aide either.

The biggest problem with this thread is that the OP is asking for "good evidence" in favor of atheism. However, we're relying on the OP to admit good evidence when he sees it - and given how much of his belief system is established on "faith", it can be safely suggested that leaving the definition of "good evidence" to his discretion qualifies this thread as nothing other than exactly a trap. He doesn't want there to be any good evidence, so why would he admit it when he sees it?

Stop wasting your time, folks. This is a troll thread.

ArtemisE
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Nm

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AfterInfinity
The biggest problem with this thread is that the OP is asking for "good evidence" in favor of atheism. However, we're relying on the OP to admit good evidence when he sees it - and given how much of his belief system is established on "faith", it can be safely suggested that leaving the definition of "good evidence" to his discretion qualifies this thread as nothing other than exactly a trap. He doesn't want there to be any good evidence, so why would he admit it when he sees it?

Stop wasting your time, folks. This is a troll thread.

Way to act like you know my beliefs or my character. One person has presented me with evidence and I immediately said that he brought up a good point. So obviously I have no problem admitting that. Atheist pride themselves on logic yet they can't even give a logical deduction of why we should exclude God as a possibility.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

Once again this is not what I believe. I believe that God is probable and therefore choose to put my faith in Him. Why do I think He is probable because of the Laws of Logic and Reason and Science, and because I have experienced Him. Now, while personal experience is not proof it is a good reason for personal faith.

Agnostic theism - The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, deity, view, or in the doctrines or teachings of a religion. It can also be belief that is not based on proof. The word faith is often used as a synonym for hope, trust, or belief.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, you are an agnostic theist who has put there faith in the religion you choose to follow, not god itself?

ArtemisE
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No... We have lower
Rates per capita in all the violent crimes , then almost any culture in history. In Rome petaphilia was accepted. Hell in America slavery was legal till the last century and a half! Society has only improved with time knowledge and technology.

While if you wanna see what happens when religion rules society. All you gotta do is look at dark ages Europe and the Arab world now. Religion has caused far more trouble then it's fixed. There was no golden age where prayer in school made our society better. While we were praying in schools we were burning crosses in black peoples front yards.

Yes let's pretend only religious people have done terrible things. What about Stalin or Hitler ? They were both atheist look what they did does that mean atheism is just as terrible as religion because someone with that world view strayed from Objective morality

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


Hitler was religious and in cahoots with the Vatican.

The problem is, and I think we can all agree on this, religion has been hijacked by people pretending to be guided by a god, while using its vehicle to promote their own agendas of greed and domination.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


Hitler claimed to be Christian on more than one occasion. Can you prove he was lying?

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


Because god isn't my first answer to everything that confuses me. People say god did everything, but they can't tell us how or why or where he is now or where he came from or what he is or why we should trust him. All we've got are assumptions engineered to give him the benefit of the doubt. A crappy answer is not better than no answer. Well, maybe it is, because it gives us an idea of what doesn't work. But first, we must realize that it doesn't work. And I've already explained why.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


No one said only religious people commit crimes against humanity.... Just that whenever you let the church run society it's never gone well and as soon as science took over everyone has microwaves and cars. Lol

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


After infinity wasn't being fair to you. You did give one counter point as you said. However, unless your willing to consider that there is no diety. Then he does have a point. He just kinda over stated it.

The only way the Christian creation story matches reality is if you squint real hard and swap some things around.

But atheists needing faith not to believe is just a creationist talking point. Atheists have a lack of faith. That's why there atheists. We refuse to believe in something that's against all logic. Just because our Bronze Age goat herder ancestors believed it.

It's because of your premis being a BS talking point that your catching flack instead of legitimate debate.

From your posts tho I don't doubt it was well intentioned.

The question is after all the discussion do you still believe it takes as much faith to believe as to not believe? I mean we atheists have faith that science isn't all a big conspiracy by the devil to confuse us.
But that's not the same kinda faith IMHO as you need to believe in Christianity. That's called reason.

reply to post by ArtemisE


If someone doubts the big bang they don't need faith they only need the motivation to test the theory. Otherwise I agree with what you said.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

Way to act like you know my beliefs

Says the member who chose the name "ServantOfTheLamb".

reply to post by ArtemisE


I was making a point. And clearly, I've made it. And the OP continues to demonstrate it, willingly or unwillingly.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


He's deffinatly spouting BS creationist talking points. For some reason tho from the posts I've read I don't think
There intentional. He just didn't really examine the logic behind it all.