New tests say Jesus DID have a wife. There goes celibacy!

reply to post by FlyersFan

There is no evidence at all that Jesus had a wife.
(Unless you count gnostic stories as fact.)

This is true...

In fact even in the gnostic texts it is not mentioned that he was married... this was something that was assumed because of a verse or two from the gospel of mary... and a couple others if im not mistaken

Its said he favored her, and used to kiss her on her(words missing)....... From this it was assumed he kissed her on her lips, or forehead... but this is hardly something that describes marriage to mary...

This new text really means Nothing, and only adds to the controversy... which had no real substance to begin with

WordsAreAvenues

AlphaHawk
reply to post by Annunak1

 

Jesus, in my uneducated opinion, was just a normal man.

A very good orator, with radical ideals..and a wife.

The rest is what happens when fan boys write your biography.

Does anyone with an educated opinion want to chime in?

It's amazing how unbelievers can put so much stock into one little sentence, yet ignore 66 books and vilify believers for putting stock in those.

You wouldn't happen to be talking about books that were written well after the death of Jesus would you?

reply to post by FlyersFan


No they aren't. Even their Catechisms make a distinction between a Protestant and Catholic. Anyone that states Catholics and Christians are the same have no idea what they're talking about.

Would one say that a Christian and Muslim were the same thing? No. Would one even conclude that an Atheistic Satanist and a Theistic Satanist are the same thing? I wouldn't think so. What about a Wiccan and someone who practices Voodoo? I would doubt it.

Its easy to do a surface glance of two beliefs and say they're the same, as many do with Catholicism and Christianity. However, all it takes is an indepth study of both to know that they are completely different. Freemasons have Bibles too, it doesn't mean they're Christians.

reply to post by JudgeEden


So which are the actual Christians then?

I love it when Christians battle each other... Its just damn funny...

reply to post by Akragon


Catholics are Catholics; Christians are Christians. It's why there are names distinguishing the two. And no one is fighting anybody. Ignorance just knows no bounds when it comes to Christianity.

reply to post by Annunak1


Already a thread.
So we know it's old. Doesn't make whats written on it true.

JudgeEden
reply to post by Akragon

 

Catholics are Catholics; Christians are Christians. It's why there are names distinguishing the two. And no one is fighting anybody. Ignorance just knows no bounds when it comes to Christianity.

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That's probably the most profound admission I've ever heard from a Christian...

Catholics follow Christ do they not?

As do Protestants?

So to Mormons, ad JW's... Adventists, Fundies and every other sect...

The fact is... IF someone claims to be Christian no one can take that away from them...

There are people in every denomination that claim to Follow him, and do not....

So theres no difference between a protestant saying a Catholic isn't Christian, then a Catholic saying the same about a protestant...

Personally I think you're all confused, but that's just me

reply to post by JudgeEden


Put it this way all Catholics are Christians. But not all Christians are Catholic.
Like all Baptists are protestant but not all protestants are Baptists. All protestants are Christian but not all Christians are protestant. Confused enough?
All Hasidim are Jewish but not all Jews are Hasidic. All Sufi are Muslim but not all Muslims are Sufi.

JudgeEden
Anyone that states Catholics and Christians are the same have no idea what they're talking about.

Pay attention. I didn't say they were the same. I said they were both Christian.
Catholics ARE Christian .. no matter how much the Chickies and Fundamentalists try to claim otherwise.

You see, this is part of the problem. The word Christian has become far too broad for it's own good. Unlike practically every other belief or religion under the sun, it's hard to tell what one believes by merely hearing them state they're Christian. Isn't that a huge conundrum.

A Catholic would never call a Protestant a Catholic. They're Protestants for a reason; that reason being they rebel against the Pope. I would actually go so far as saying that one who honestly believe the words 'Catholic' and 'Christian' are interchangeable, are woefully ignorant of the history surrounding them.

JudgeEden
Catholics are Catholics; Christians are Christians. It's why there are names distinguishing the two.

The only people making the separation are the fundamentalists who are anti-Catholic bigots.
Catholics are Christians and refer to themselves as such.
Protestants are Christians and refer to themselves as such.
Catholics and Protestants both come under the Christian umbrella.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Except you have no real reason why you think this. You have no evidence, only conjecture.

Do you recall Jesus saying... Know them by their labels?

Or was it their fruit?

reply to post by Akragon


They have the labels BECAUSE of their fruits.

Do you even know what "fruits" means in the context it was stated? It means teachings, beliefs.

Some would say I'm being divisive, but every religion is divisive; it's why there are so many different labels, right?

By the way, as I alluded to before, the Catholics own teachings say practically the very same things I am. Just in a slightly different way.

JudgeEden
Except you have no real reason why you think this. You have no evidence, only conjecture.

I suggest you actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church . It states very clearly that Catholics follow the teachings of Jesus as they understand it. Following Jesus = Christian. Their Profession of Faith is very clear.... they are Christians. You may not agree with their interpretations, but they are Christians.

Catholic Profession of Faith -

I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

To try to say that the Catholic Church isn't Christian is just bizarre ...

JudgeEden
reply to post by Akragon

 

They have the labels BECAUSE of their fruits.

Do you even know what "fruits" means in the context it was stated? It means teachings, beliefs.

Some would say I'm being divisive, but every religion is divisive; it's why there are so many different labels, right?

By the way, as I alluded to before, the Catholics own teachings say practically the very same things I am. Just in a slightly different way.

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It does not mean their teaching or beliefs...

By that line of thinking its basically what you preach that gets you into heaven... hardly close to what Jesus taught

See what I mean when I said Christianity is confused... Not all, but most...

reply to post by Akragon

Yep ... those are the stories I was thinking of. The ones about kissing Mary. A public display of affection. Some think that means Jesus and Mary were married. Others ... not so much. Of course, we'd have to prove the Gnostic gospels were absolute fact ...and that's impossible to do in this lifetime.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Am I really supposed to bow in obedience to you, just because you don't like what I'm saying? I'm not necessarily anti-catholic, by the way, I just cant stand the confusion this nonsense causes.

A profession of faith isn't good enough. You can go on any Christian website or read any old churches profession and see some of the very same things said there. You have to dig deeper.

Also, notice that their profession of faith has them believe in one church, the Catholic church. Of which no Christian has part in. That may seem like an irrelevant issue, but it's actually a big one.

Lastly, just because it may seem bizarre to you, doesn't mean there is no truth to it. You're on a conspiracy forum, right? Bizarre isn't too hard to find here, yet I'm pretty sure you take in a lot of it.

JudgeEden
the Catholics own teachings say practically the very same things I am.

Not even close. I spent nearly 20 years in two different Catholic Third Orders. First with the Franciscans. Then with the Carmelites (OCDS). What you are claiming about the Catholic faith is dead wrong. They believe that they are Christian .. because they ARE Christian.

FlyersFan
reply to post by Akragon

 

Yep ... those are the stories I was thinking of. The ones about kissing Mary. A public display of affection. Some think that means Jesus and Mary were married. Others ... not so much. Of course, we'd have to prove the Gnostic gospels were absolute fact ...and that's impossible to do in this lifetime.

I wouldn't take them as absolute fact... actually I personally believe one should be very familiar with the gospels in the bible before looking into gnostic texts... some are deceptive, but I think they are very closely related to words Jesus might have spoken... especially Thomas...

I have issues with Jesus having 12 apostles, then commissioning 70 or so... yet only 3 of them wrote anything down...

Plus I also believe there are texts that haven't been revealed to the world because of their possible impact on Christianity...

Which is why most of the gnostic texts were destroyed IMHO