Italy's bishops pass Vatican-backed rule that child molestation does not have to be reported

Italy's bishops have adopted a policy, with backing from the Vatican, that states they are not obliged to inform police officers if they suspect a child has been molested.

The Italian Bishops' Conference said the guidelines published on Friday reflected suggestions from the Vatican's office that handles sex abuse investigations.

Victims have denounced how bishops systematically covered up abuse by moving priests while keeping prosecutors in the dark.

Only in 2010 did the Vatican instruct bishops to report abuse to police — but only where required by law.

Italian guidelines cite a 1985 treaty between the Vatican and Italy stipulating that clergy aren't obliged to tell magistrates about information obtained through their religious ministry. The guidelines remind bishops, however, they have a ''moral duty“ to contribute to the common good.

The ruling comes less than a week after Pope Francis appointed a former child victim as one of the first members of a new commission to help the Catholic Church put an end to clerical sexual abuse.

A UN report published in March blasted what it called the Vatican's code of silence" around abusive priests.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italys-bishops-pass-vaticanbacked-rule-stating-they-do-not-have-to-report-if-a-priest-has-moleste d-a-child-9222501.html

In the name of GOD...when is the insanity going to stop?
please see link below in Krazyshot's post
i normally just paste links in and they seem to work...not this time...

Ah yes the religion that I grew up with. Somehow I knew they weren't going to change even with a radical new pope. It's funny how they also wonder why membership in the RCC has dropped so much.

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Hey Danbones!
Why are these high ranking religious officials so damn awful??!!
Aren't they supposed to be good people...representing 'God'...doing good in the world...helping people?
I just don't understand.
Aren't they here to help us, do good, all that stuff? No?
Doesn't their 'God' frown on (aka condemn to a fiery pit in Hell) people who do bad things...to children....?
Yet they persist. Hmmm...what do they know that we don't?

S&F for getting me all fired up before 9 am, lol.
jacygirl

Krazysh0t
Ah yes the religion that I grew up with. Somehow I knew they weren't going to change even with a radical new pope. It's funny how they also wonder why membership in the RCC has dropped so much.

Membership? The Bible is the membership not some outdated institution who like covering up crimes against children.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Vatican was ultimately responsible for the largest child porn/sex slave ring in the world. So corrupt and backwards. How can they even justify something like this? SICK!

Sounds like some of the upper level people are trying to do an end run around Pope Francis.
I'd expect that some time in the near future he'll have a few things to say about this ...
It doesn't match his 'clean house' motto ...

Leviticus 18:22
Viewing the King James Version
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org...
i guess being that boys are NOT "men" they are ok for sex toys...
and god being the forgiving type, its all good...
Unless its you, your child, or your childhood friend, or the bad boy they sent to catholic reform school in your home town..
or the native children of residential schools...

one of my best friends as a child was being molested by the priest in the church across the road from his house.
he was an alter boy ...he reported this to his father..who beat him and then dragged him over to that preist and made him confess to lying...
the abuse went on for several more years till that priest was for some reason we don't know moved

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LOL...no way

Perhaps this is an attempt to prevent the parents of said children feeling obliged to chase the child molester down with a baseball bat?

Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing .You will know them by their fruit .In the case of the Vatican the fruit they have ,has been rotting on the ground for millenniums for all to see ....peace

THE PAEDOPHILE RING THAT ENCIRCLES BRITISH POLITICS

abundanthope.net...
if true note the famous brit who recently became catholic...

i think this is also to protect high up types who might, being good and pious, want confess to pedophilia...
or other deviant acts...
and as penance make a nice donation to the vatican bank...
to make up for the lack of poor non contributing members of the church...
as is stated above there has been a drop in RC enrollment from the nickle and dime crowd

say, aren't the bishops supposed to be the vatican bankers?...
do you think this could be a MONETARY POLICY?
eta... correction its cardinals that do the banking, ooops my bad

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The link is 404'd. I tried to search the site and found nothing.

JT

jacygirl
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Aren't they here to help us, do good, all that stuff? No?

“A large part of the history of [Ed.: mandatory] celibacy is the story of the degradation of women and – an invariable consequence – frequent abortions and infanticide.

In the ninth century, many monasteries were the haunts of homosexuals; many convents were brothels in which babies were killed and buried…Promiscuity was rife in monasteries and convents. The great Ivo of Chartres (1040-1115) tells of whole convents with inmates who were nunsonly in name. They had often been abandoned by their families and were really prostitutes.” – Peter de Rosa (“Vicars of Christ”; 1988; Pages 404 and 408)

BRUSSELS - The criminal prosecution of yet another Pope came closer to reality this month as Italian politicians agreed to work with the ITCCS in a common law court action against the papacy for its haboring of a wanted fugitive from justice: deposed Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger.

The agreement came after a new eyewitness confirmed the involvement of Ratzinger in a ritual child sacrifice in Holland in August of 1987."I saw Joseph Ratzinger murder a little girl at a French chateau in the fall of 1987" stated the witness, who was a regular participant in the cult ritual torture and killing of children.

"It was ugly and horrible, and it didn't happen just once. Ratzinger often took part. He and (Dutch Catholic Cardinal) Alfrink and (Bilderberger founder) Prince Bernhard were some of the more prominent men who took part." This new witness confirms the account of Toos Nijenhuis, a Dutch woman who went public on May 8 with her eyewitness account of similar crimes involving Ratzinger, Alfrink and Bernhard.

Not sure about the 2nd one but either way, this organisation are not serving your best interest. They serve their best interests and then give you a good old media good guy report.

Vatican Crimes

re the 404 link in the OP
from my browser history the page still shows..but not when i post it
when i access it from this blog the link there works?
eassurvey.wordpress.com... t-guilty-to-2011-murder-charge-practiced-voodoo-children-of-serial-killer-robert-pickt/

maybe a more tech savvy person can figure this out


yep it worked from the blog link just now

Why can't we charge this institution with crimes against humanity?

I just don't understand why people haven't woken up yet, if you believe in God and the bible, that's ok. But to put your faith in an organization that rapes children, has burned people alive and set back science in the name of power, so many times before. It just seems charging them universally would be appropriate now.

They are just trying to defend their Priests who use their powers to abuse children. This only proves how corrupt they are. If someone does something a child does not want , this is molesting.

I can bet that someone high ranking person there has a brother/friends that is molesting a child and doesnt want ro go to jail

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You don't have much experience with the RCC do you? They consider their worshipers members for life unless they are physically ex-communicated. Even I as an agnostic am considered a non-practicing Catholic.

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In the book of Revelation it talks about a time when the beast will get rid of the whore that rides it . The RC church fits the picture painted in that ....

Danbones
re the 404 link in the OP
from my browser history the page still shows..but not when i post it
when i access it from this blog the link there works?
eassurvey.wordpress.com... t-guilty-to-2011-murder-charge-practiced-voodoo-children-of-serial-killer-robert-pickt/

maybe a more tech savvy person can figure this out

yep it worked from the blog link just now

edit on Tueam4b20144America/Chicago03 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Italy's bishops pass Vatican-backed rule that child molestation does not have to be reported

When you use the post a link button on ATS, make sure you either delete the "http://" that appears in the blank or make sure you don't copy and paste the "http://" part of the link from your article otherwise you'll end up with "http://http://" and that is how your links get messed up.

Allow me to think out loud here? Since the pope has appointed molested people to this commission, I suspect the question they have been discussing has to do with the protecting the secrecy of the confessional as part of their perceived sacredness of that sacrament. The dilemma is If someone confesses to having done this and the priest then reports to the police that he suspects a child is being molested, the police would be automatically pointing to that parent and that parent if guilty, would come down hard on the confessional's breach of secrecy. And to risk that being done would be the undoing of one of the basic tenets of the church.

I'm absolutely not defending this in any way, just trying to understand their possible position. However, if protection of confessional secrecy is their reason, then their decision results in a lack of protection for the child and therefore a perhaps unintended protection of the perp. Horrible!

All in all, the decision repulses me, because above all else, the protection of the innocence of children should be paramount. They urgently need to go back to the drawing board, or continue to have their congregations abandon them.

Why do they seem to be obsessed with this? Why would anyone want a child sexually? It's disgusting!!!