If you are ABDUCTED, you should never tell anyone.

Spiro

tanka418
Actually, the Police do not need an arrest warrant at all. They can arrest you at their digression.

Hi there,

Are you talking about the US or another country?

Just wondering

Cheers

Spiro

Virtually every country.

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To be fair as a human being you also have the right to arrest any police officer.

tanka418

Spiro

tanka418
Actually, the Police do not need an arrest warrant at all. They can arrest you at their digression.

Hi there,

Are you talking about the US or another country?

Just wondering

Cheers

Spiro

Virtually every country.

Now then, my BS detectors are alarming

No, you could not have been more wrong, sorry Mr Tanka. In the UK this sort of thing just does not happen. And anyone in the UK that has the right mind would agree with me

Cheers

Spiro

Spiro
Now then, my BS detectors are alarming

No, you could not have been more wrong, sorry Mr Tanka. In the UK this sort of thing just does not happen. And anyone in the UK that has the right mind would agree with me

Cheers

Spiro

So...IF the Police in the UK "see" a crime they are not allowed to arrest the person in question? Must they, what? report it to the court so that maybe a grand jury will issue an indictment?

Sorry man, but police everywhere can arrest you for any damn reason they want, haul you off to the local "lock-up" and hold you there for however long the law allows. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that you will ever be charged with anything, but, you were still arrested, AND, in their custody for some period of time.

It works this way everywhere, no exceptions! And everyone with their eyes open will agree with me on this.

ScottProphhit
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To be fair as a human being you also have the right to arrest any police officer.

No argument on that...but...luck to anyone who tries!

tanka418

Sorry man, but police everywhere can arrest you for any damn reason they want, haul you off to the local "lock-up" and hold you there for however long the law allows.

Don't be sorry man, its not your fault. Sometimes we need to live in various countries to experience the law.

Now, you have never lived in the UK to experience such laws as your ignorance detects, so perhaps back up a little and let people whom HAVE experienced such laws in the own country do the talking.

AND, before you go of on a rant please know that this OP topic is about people whom have been abducted and are whisked of to the police station and Off'd for no reason.

Cheers

Spiro

Spiro

RadiationAndCancer
Basically the cops would be told to arrest the folks on the list, and at the station you would be given to "other branch" of the government and never seen again, you'd be offed, and body burned.

The police would have to have good reason to come to your work/house and arrest you. They just can't come to you and say " your being arrested but we don't have anything to arrest you for, but you have to come anyway ". You wouldn't go would you? I sure as hell wouldn't and anyone in the right mind would not either.

At least here in the UK

Cheers

Where have you been for the last decade or so?

Bilk22
Where have you been for the last decade or so?

I have been living in the UK, Ireland, France and Spain, Mexico, Greenland and Portugal, Thunderbay, Florida, LA, to name a few, if you really want to know.

The Law in the US does NOT reflect that of the said countries outlined above.

Didn't you catch where I was living in the post you quoted?

Now, is this all your going to spool or is there more?

Cheers

Spiro

Spiro
AND, before you go of on a rant please know that this OP topic is about people whom have been abducted and are whisked of to the police station and Off'd for no reason.

Cheers

Spiro

Yes, I'm aware of the topic.

AND, if you think that even your government, wouldn't hesitate to "disappear" you fi they thought it the best course, then you should think again.

Even here (US) it is illegal for government to come into your "space" (home, work, etc.) and "take" you against your will. They still do it. It happened to me; and was my "last" abduction (around 1994 or so). have sketchy memories of the event. AND, they are "verified" memories, with the help of a psychologist. If you would like an account...ask.

My point is that the "President" or the "Crown" would not let a little thing like "law" or Human/Sentient Rights get in their way IF they thought they should so something...anything. And that is a reality.

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Actually, the Police do not need an arrest warrant at all. They can arrest you at their digression.

But they need a charge to make an arrest, I said nothing about warrants.

I have seen cases, not sure just how the Police make this work, but they see to; where people are arrested, tied, and convicted on just "resisting arrest" charges...there doesn't seem to be any "original" charge for them to be arrested for, but...they are arrested for "resisting arrest" and no other charge, tried and convicted. This sort of thing is of course BS, but, they are the ones with the authority and guns.

There is an original charge, there has to be otherwise an arrest cannot be made, its black and white, there is no gray area.

Yeah most of time when such incidents happen its a bogus charge to make the suspect resist so they can charge them with resisting.

It takes little more than a piece of paper in the hands of a "government type" (FBI, NSA, Homeland, etc.) to take someone from the local police, they would give you up without a single question, and wouldn't care what became of you.

Jesus am I speaking Chinese,

Yes the police might give you up but how is that going stop any acquaintances or friends or family from asking questions as to the whereabouts of the person arrested?

The OP is saying you get arrested and you disappear,

Ok can anyone that follows this train of thought give a point by point of how that would work in reality with a person being able to simply vanish and no questions asked.

The only way it would work like I already pointed out is if the person making the abduction claim on the net has absolutely no one that cares for them or their well being has no ties in the real world.

If they are completely withdrawn and only interact with society through the net then yes then they can disappear without any one questioning as there is no one that would ask the question "where has my friend gone"

tanka418

Spiro
AND, before you go of on a rant please know that this OP topic is about people whom have been abducted and are whisked of to the police station and Off'd for no reason.

Cheers

Spiro

Yes, I'm aware of the topic.

AND, if you think that even your government, wouldn't hesitate to "disappear" you fi they thought it the best course, then you should think again.

Even here (US) it is illegal for government to come into your "space" (home, work, etc.) and "take" you against your will. They still do it. It happened to me; and was my "last" abduction (around 1994 or so). have sketchy memories of the event. AND, they are "verified" memories, with the help of a psychologist. If you would like an account...ask.

My point is that the "President" or the "Crown" would not let a little thing like "law" or Human/Sentient Rights get in their way IF they thought they should so something...anything. And that is a reality.

I think he knows that, but just doesn't want to admit to it being a reality. George Carlin avatar should tell you something

tanka418

Yes, I'm aware of the topic.

AND, if you think that even your government, wouldn't hesitate to "disappear" you fi they thought it the best course, then you should think again.

Even here (US) it is illegal for government to come into your "space" (home, work, etc.) and "take" you against your will. They still do it. It happened to me; and was my "last" abduction (around 1994 or so). have sketchy memories of the event. AND, they are "verified" memories, with the help of a psychologist. If you would like an account...ask.

My point is that the "President" or the "Crown" would not let a little thing like "law" or Human/Sentient Rights get in their way IF they thought they should so something...anything. And that is a reality.

Mr Tanka, thanks for agreeing with me.

Now lets keep this on topic, yes? If you where abducted do you think police would come to your door and arrest you. Further, would you hold your hands up and let them, even though they don't have a reason to arrest you?

Cheers

Spiro

Bilk22
I think he knows that, but just doesn't want to admit to it being a reality. George Carlin avatar should tell you something

Dreaming much?

Mr Carlin would in fact attack the bull#. I'm attacking your BS because, well, frankly, its BS.

Have you answered my question above?

Cheers

Mr Carlin

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Yes, I'm aware of the topic. AND, if you think that even your government, wouldn't hesitate to "disappear" you fi they thought it the best course, then you should think again.

a few posters that keep repeating this,

Are you guys complete loners and have no one that would search and ask questions after you are arrested and then simply disappear?

Do not take that question in offense, I ask because you seem to think its easy to make a person a disappear without anyone noticing, and you might have that fear that if the Gov. came a knockin you would have no one to look for you after they have taken you.

If a person is arrested and vanishes from the station, the Police will need answer some questions, do you catch my drift?

Spiro

Bilk22
I think he knows that, but just doesn't want to admit to it being a reality. George Carlin avatar should tell you something

Dreaming much?

Mr Carlin would in fact attack the bull#. I'm attacking your BS because, well, frankly, its BS.

Have you answered my question above?

Cheers

Mr Carlin

You make the claim that because you have lived in x,y,z countries and have not been removed from your residence for no legitimate reason, that it cannot and does not happen. Well I submit it happens in x,y and z and in other places as well. There's no way to prove either assertion as truth so have a good day my friend.

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Easy there Spiro, I think they get it.

We don't want you to have a heart attack or something!

ScottProphhit

uncommitted

ScottProphhit
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It is the same, abduction without permission? The race of the life doesn't matter much

Actually it makes a lot of difference. We know Gitmo Bay exists, although we cannot categorically say anyone is there who is not known. We don't know that ET life exists, travels to Earth, kidnaps people and then returns them. To suggest the two are the same is naive in the extreme.

What? Some people don't know Guantanamo bay exists and some people would say for certainty that ET life has abducted them. I can't blame either for thinking what they think.

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Well that's your choice. Guantamamo bay exists if people know about it or not - that is their ignorance, I'm not sure what point you think you are trying to make but frankly it's not a very good one.

InhaleExhale

But they need a charge to make an arrest, I said nothing about warrants.

There is an original charge, there has to be otherwise an arrest cannot be made, its black and white, there is no gray area.

Yeah most of time when such incidents happen its a bogus charge to make the suspect resist so they can charge them with resisting.

Yep...that's how it is done...All a "cop" needs to use is "suspicion of"...he doesn't need to have "real" probable cause, just any excuse to take you into custody. And, IF you object, he has you on a "real" crime..."resisting arrest"

Jesus am I speaking Chinese,

Yes the police might give you up but how is that going stop any acquaintances or friends or family from asking questions as to the whereabouts of the person arrested?

The OP is saying you get arrested and you disappear,

Ok can anyone that follows this train of thought give a point by point of how that would work in reality with a person being able to simply vanish and no questions asked.

Who said anything about "no questions asked?" I'm quite sure that plenty of questions would be asked, and few if any answered.

The only way it would work like I already pointed out is if the person making the abduction claim on the net has absolutely no one that cares for them or their well being has no ties in the real world.

If they are completely withdrawn and only interact with society through the net then yes then they can disappear without any one questioning as there is no one that would ask the question "where has my friend gone"

And, if the actual events like this are few and far between, it isn't likely that anyone will notice the bigger picture, and there would only be a "collection" of isolated events. Leaving only questions.

There is an event recently where 300 or so people vanished without a trace...plenty of questions going unanswered. Small, isolated events where individuals "vanish" happen all the time for a variety of reason. And, the governments are even reasonable "practiced" at making people "disappear" (i.e. witness protection). And, again, plenty of questions, few, if any, answers.

Spiro
Mr Tanka, thanks for agreeing with me.

Now lets keep this on topic, yes? If you where abducted do you think police would come to your door and arrest you. Further, would you hold your hands up and let them, even though they don't have a reason to arrest you?

Cheers

Spiro

Well, actually I was abducted, regularly from around 1951 until 1994 or so. Have NOT been arrested for it as yet.

Though, I think, that IF the Sheriff were to come to my home, I would go with them quietly...safest path for now, and there's nothing they can do anyway.

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Who said anything about "no questions asked?" I'm quite sure that plenty of questions would be asked, and few if any answered.

If a person is taken away on bogus charges or is taken away for resisting arrest and they have concerned friends or family members do you think that if questions arent answered as to the were about of the one arrested that the family members or friend will simply forget and stop demanding answers?



I m not even going to address your attempt at comparing the missing plane to a person being arrested and disappearing from the police station because of an abduction claim they had made on the net.