Fruit of the Loom to close Jamestown plant, lay off all 600 workers

Visitor2012

macman
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

So basically to sum up your response, Freedom is tossed out for those you don't agree with.

Using Slave labor to run your business should be illegal across the board. That's what I am saying. And any corporation that dumps American workers to exploit slave salaries in 3rd world countries, should be shut down or kicked out. That's all I'm concerned about.

edit on 17-4-2014 by Visitor2012 because: (no reason given)

Slavery was banned in the US by the 14th Amendment.

reply to post by NavyDoc


Also, I think there is some confusion as to what a Slave is. en.wikipedia.org...

Seems that "slaves" are not paid for their work. They are property of a person and/or company.


I don't see where any company in the US is capable of owning slaves, or are using this practice. As it has been stated, slavery was outlawed.


Oh, wait....I get it.....because those doing the work here are not paid $30 an hour, the term "slave labor" is being used.
Never mind the little fact that using the term is actually not correct, but is basically the Alinsky method in action.


So.......what was that about slave labor again?

Or is the correct term "low paid labor" more accurate.

reply to post by BattleStarGal


We don't need no stinking underwear anyhow, we'll just go back to leaves other natural undercoverings!

Visitor2012


Either, those in charge (including all the Wall Street benefactors) be arrested and the corporation given a 100-year probation. OR the corporation pay a 60% tax.......no a 120% tax to strangle their business into the grave and kick their arse's out of the Country. ....

You do remember that this thread is about companies leaving on their own, right? There's no need to kick them out, they are already going. Fruit of the Loom merely sinned by staying in the USA longer than it's competition.

Pretty focused on driving out business. Not clear at all on why businesses would come here. Especially as Asia becomes a larger and larger customer-base anyway.

America already has the highest corporate tax in the world. There is currently almost a TRILLION DOLLARS of U.S. company profits parked in off-shore banks. All they need is to be run out entirely, and non of that money ever comes home.


The sad fact is that you cannot control corporations. You cannot seize them all at once and jail them. Unlike citizens, who are captive here, corporations can leave whenever America becomes uninhabitable. You don't have to force them. The economics is already driving profit away. Business simply follows the money.

That's how you can tell The USA is in decline; when opportunity leaves.

If you buy this product (or any other non-America product), rather than a American product just to save a few bucks, then you're no different than Fruit Of The Loom, and chances we're probably all guilty of that (myself included).

That doesn't mean it has to be that way though. Vote with your wallet.

I still have fruit of the loom t-shirts from years ago washed hundreds of times and still going strong but just watch the cotton they use get thinner when they go oversea's warren need's some hate mail 600 family's have been sold out

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Visitor2012

macman
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

So basically to sum up your response, Freedom is tossed out for those you don't agree with.

Using Slave labor to run your business should be illegal across the board. That's what I am saying. And any corporation that dumps American workers to exploit slave salaries in 3rd world countries, should be shut down or kicked out. That's all I'm concerned about.

Slavery was banned in the US by the 14th Amendment.

You're right. Ok, how about EXTREMELY low paid, overworked and exploited workers, working inside large factory sweatshops, with little to no freedoms or rights?

It doesn't matter what label we give it, doesn't change the fact that the practice is LARGELY unethical and globally recognized as such, and is LARGELY responsible for the unemployment crisis we're facing in the US. So my point remains the same.

Which is: If a corporation wants to dump American workers and destroy local economies for the sole purpose of taking advantage of, what EVERYONE knows to be highly unethical foreign worker exploitation, then you should face serious penalties in this country. If we don't stop this, a lot of American employees are going to be kicked to the curb (like our fruit of the loom buddies) and replaced with $2./hr foreign workers. My intent in this thread, was to argue against that kind of practice.

I can't think of anything more important to have made under strict quality control than underwear.
Think of what it is next to? Do you really want a bad reaction to a product where they cut corners and used cotton that had been sprayed with some sort of poison or carcinogen pest control

originally posted by: Visitor2012


You're right. Ok, how about EXTREMELY low paid, overworked and exploited workers, working inside large factory sweatshops, with little to no freedoms or rights?

Oh, so it isn't slavery then. The use of the term was what, a clever mistake?

originally posted by: Visitor2012
It doesn't matter what label we give it,

Yes it does. Unless you are looking to redefine a word, to falsely characterize something that isn't what you say it is.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
doesn't change the fact that the practice is LARGELY unethical and globally recognized as such, and is LARGELY responsible for the unemployment crisis we're facing in the US. So my point remains the same.

Unemployment is due to heavy taxation, people taking on more debt then they can afford, Govt getting involved with "fixing" the problem and businesses leaving the US for more friendly environments.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
Which is: If a corporation wants to dump American workers and destroy local economies for the sole purpose of taking advantage of, what EVERYONE knows to be highly unethical foreign worker exploitation, then you should face serious penalties in this country.

So, freedom for those you agree with, and no freedom for those you don't.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
If we don't stop this, a lot of American employees are going to be kicked to the curb (like our fruit of the loom buddies) and replaced with $2./hr foreign workers. My intent in this thread, was to argue against that kind of practice.

It isn't your place to tell a company what it can or can't do.

a reply to: macman

Unemployment is due to heavy taxation, people taking on more debt then they can afford, Govt getting involved with "fixing" the problem and businesses leaving the US for more friendly environments.

Friendly environments eh? Nice one. You mean those 3rd World Countries which use exploited, underpaid workers in sweatshops? Workers who have no rights, and who are treated with no respect or dignity? Well then, If you can redefine the word 'friendly environments' then screw it, I'll go back to using the word 'slave'. DON'T tell me how to call a spade. But I'm glad that you agree that outsourcing jobs to 'friendly' environments is one of the major factors that's causing the crisis we have in the US.

It isn't your place to tell a company what it can or can't do.

Where have you been hiding? We already tell companies what they can and can't do, it's called regulations and ethical business practices. I'm calling for a revision to those 'ethical' practices and regulations. I don't care if you agree or not.

Arguing over semantics, doesn't change my point, which for some reason, you've completely missed.

a reply to: macman

Unemployment is due to heavy taxation, people taking on more debt then they can afford, Govt getting involved with "fixing" the problem and businesses leaving the US for more friendly environments.

Oh please not this lie again. This crap has been spewed so many times people are starting to believe it in fact many companies pay zero in taxes and get back millions in returns. So the they were heavily taxed so they moved overseas is just a lie to cover corporate greed. They just don't want to pay an American to do the job so they move overseas so they can pay a person a few bucks a week and not have to worry about workers rights so they can work them like a slave.

originally posted by: Visitor2012

originally posted by: NavyDoc

Visitor2012

macman
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

So basically to sum up your response, Freedom is tossed out for those you don't agree with.

Using Slave labor to run your business should be illegal across the board. That's what I am saying. And any corporation that dumps American workers to exploit slave salaries in 3rd world countries, should be shut down or kicked out. That's all I'm concerned about.

Slavery was banned in the US by the 14th Amendment.

You're right. Ok, how about EXTREMELY low paid, overworked and exploited workers, working inside large factory sweatshops, with little to no freedoms or rights?

It doesn't matter what label we give it, doesn't change the fact that the practice is LARGELY unethical and globally recognized as such, and is LARGELY responsible for the unemployment crisis we're facing in the US. So my point remains the same.

Which is: If a corporation wants to dump American workers and destroy local economies for the sole purpose of taking advantage of, what EVERYONE knows to be highly unethical foreign worker exploitation, then you should face serious penalties in this country. If we don't stop this, a lot of American employees are going to be kicked to the curb (like our fruit of the loom buddies) and replaced with $2./hr foreign workers. My intent in this thread, was to argue against that kind of practice.

Underpaid by what yardstick? A buck a day in Bangladesh is a hell of a lot better than no money at all per day in Bangladesh.

Hey, you get what you ask for. Over regulation and heavy litigation in the US, the highest corporate taxation in the world, EPA, EEOC, OSHA, FDA, IRS, DEA, etc.--alphabet agency after alphabet agency--all together make doing business in the US more and more difficult. The left wants "evil corporations" to be punished and brought to heel by the government. Well, you got your wish and now business is moving out. This is the consequence, unintended or not, of demonizing the drivers of industry. More governmental "punishment" is not going to make the situation better. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result each time.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: macman

Unemployment is due to heavy taxation, people taking on more debt then they can afford, Govt getting involved with "fixing" the problem and businesses leaving the US for more friendly environments.

Oh please not this lie again. This crap has been spewed so many times people are starting to believe it in fact many companies pay zero in taxes and get back millions in returns. So the they were heavily taxed so they moved overseas is just a lie to cover corporate greed. They just don't want to pay an American to do the job so they move overseas so they can pay a person a few bucks a week and not have to worry about workers rights so they can work them like a slave.

Yeah, no. Name some corporations that pay zero taxes but still moved overseas. Is this like your misunderstanding of capital gains vs income taxes again?

a reply to: NavyDoc

Underpaid by what yardstick? A buck a day in Bangladesh is a hell of a lot better than no money at all per day in Bangladesh.

If a $15/hr American Employee, is replaced with a 'buck a day' employee in Bangladesh. That's called UNDERPAID in my book.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
a reply to: NavyDoc

Underpaid by what yardstick? A buck a day in Bangladesh is a hell of a lot better than no money at all per day in Bangladesh.

If a $15/hr American Employee, is replaced with a 'buck a day' employee in Bangladesh. That's called UNDERPAID in my book.

Then we should encourage, not discourage, companies to stay, yes?

originally posted by: Visitor2012



Friendly environments eh? Nice one. You mean those 3rd World Countries which use exploited, underpaid workers in sweatshops? Workers who have no rights, and who are treated with no respect or dignity? Well then, If you can redefine the word 'friendly environments' then screw it, I'll go back to using the word 'slave'. DON'T tell me how to call a spade. But I'm glad that you agree that outsourcing jobs to 'friendly' environments is one of the major factors that's causing the crisis we have in the US.

I said friendly. I didn't say friendly to the worker.
But, I do love an angry retort. It seems to miss obvious statements, only to be filled with BS.

originally posted by: Visitor2012

Where have you been hiding? We already tell companies what they can and can't do, it's called regulations and ethical business practices.

Yeah the first is the Govt overstepping and going not abiding by the creation documents.
The second is a practice that is not forced to adhere to. Maybe you have this confused with some other Progressive re-branded term?

originally posted by: Visitor2012
I'm calling for a revision to those 'ethical' practices and regulations. I don't care if you agree or not.

Okay then Mr. Grumpy. Tell me how that goes.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
Arguing over semantics, doesn't change my point, which for some reason, you've completely missed.

Oh, your point is loud and clear. You want to rule over others.

Point taken.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: macman

Unemployment is due to heavy taxation, people taking on more debt then they can afford, Govt getting involved with "fixing" the problem and businesses leaving the US for more friendly environments.

Oh please not this lie again. This crap has been spewed so many times people are starting to believe it in fact many companies pay zero in taxes and get back millions in returns. So the they were heavily taxed so they moved overseas is just a lie to cover corporate greed. They just don't want to pay an American to do the job so they move overseas so they can pay a person a few bucks a week and not have to worry about workers rights so they can work them like a slave.

So I guess you really have missed many reports within the business world where companies have in fact reported that they move states or out of the US due to taxation.

Guess that is why SOOO many businesses are leaving state like NY and CA for less taxed and regulated states.

originally posted by: Visitor2012
a reply to: NavyDoc

Underpaid by what yardstick? A buck a day in Bangladesh is a hell of a lot better than no money at all per day in Bangladesh.

If a $15/hr American Employee, is replaced with a 'buck a day' employee in Bangladesh. That's called UNDERPAID in my book.

Oh, so you get to set the standard for OTHER countries now.

Man, you are such a world traveler.

Kissinger has nothing on you.

originally posted by: Mamatus
I just sent an email off to Fruit of the Loom letting them know they lost a loyal customer - Now while it won't save the jobs or change a darn thing at least a voice was heard.

Contact Fruit of the Loom

I am writing right now! I am so sick of this crap.

How many more of these blue chip companies we've all grown up with will fold before Washington even hints THEY have destroyed this countries economy?As we all know,had this been a banking conglomerate,billions of taxpayer billions would have been delivered within a couple of business days.
Many here talk of revolution flippantly as if a movie.I've kindly tried to dissuade this talk though my position is becoming more untenable by the day.NO ONE SHOULD VOTE DEM OR REP EVER AGAIN IN PROTEST TO THE WORLD to our opposition to Washington polices(all).