Ebola Airborne? Spreads From Pigs to Monkeys Without Contact

reply to post by soficrow


Thanks for the update. I don't mind saying yours is one of the names I hunt for informative posts from when news of an outbreak comes.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Gosh. Blush. Thanks. ...Only time will tell what's really going on with this one - but some good news is it looks like H7N9 petered out in China this round.

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I can't find the post but someone suggested that Ebola virus particles could "hitchhike" on droplets during a co-infection with flu or a cold. Sounds plausible to me. Also, research shows that Ebola viruses have been recombining and mutating rather quickly in the wild - not as fast as influenza, but looks critical.

I posted this in my other Ebola thread, but if fits here too:


UPDATE

Death Toll tops 90 - with cases confirmed in Guinea and Liberia; suspected in Mali and Sierra Leone.

The World Health Organization and other international agencies dismiss the importance of the Guinea outbreak based on past experience with the Ebola virus - they all expect this outbreak to burn itself out. And it's true, even though Ebola is scary as hell, it HAS been easy to stop with quarantine and tight hygeine controls. In the past.

BUT - this "outbreak" is very different.

* There is a huge geographic spread with several "centers" of infection.
* Containment is hampered by lack of awareness, trained medical personnel and accessible, appropriate medical facilities - far more than 'normal' given the spread and need to cover several centers.

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* All previous Ebola outbreaks have been in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Uganda - thousands of miles from Guinea. Supposedly, Ebola requires direct contact to spread. So how did the virus travel thousands of miles to Guinea without leaving any evidence?


* The Guinea outbreak started in Guekedou and Macenta in rural Guinea (about 35 miles apart), but then jumped to Conarky over 400 miles away by the main road. How did it do that if it kills too quickly to spread far?


* One of the latest cases in Liberia involves a man who had never travelled to Guinea and had NO contact with any Guinea cases. He is from the town of Tapeta, more than 250 miles and a five hour car journey from the Guinean border. How did HE get infected? Is there more than one epicenter? More than one source?

* Liberia and Sierra Leone are close to the original outbreak center at Guededou and Macenta, but Mali is hundreds of miles away. How did the virus get to Mali?


The evidence suggests this particular Zaire Ebola virus is different - getting around with unprecedented speed, and originating from several source, not just one. This Ebola outbreak is NOT "business as usual," as Medicins Sans Frontiers has been saying all along. It is not restricted geographically and is not contained.

Guinea is resource rich, but has not been effectively raped as yet. Perhaps an out-of-control Ebola epidemic will set the nation up for an economic "rescue" by international consortiums down the road. And maybe "tame" the rest of Africa too? Make the natives more amenable to proper colonization?




Mali suspects first Ebola cases as regional death toll tops 90

Dianec
So now that they know if you cough or sputter into the air and are in close contact with another you could spread it will they stop injecting it into animals on purpose?

Yes, and if the flu started and a person had it and the Ebola virus in them, here we go on the train to an apocalypse.

hmm well that means the virus is zoonotic and that is a major concern.
If this virus is carried by animals, then we should all put our heads between our knees and kiss our own bottoms goodbye:

I have had major loss of sleep over a bat issue... -> hendra and JX 346 virus... however... the Ebola virus is starting to become our worst possible nightmare. If one pig is infected and that is on a ship being exported to any country of the World; major issues.

Point is, if viruses become zoonotic...then there is no control over it!

If this is true...we will have no control: Quarantine measures will be ineffective. If Ebola becomes Zoonotic then that is the worst possible scenario!

As quick as a Country can isolate it...it is carried by another species.

This is bad news.

reply to post by Mamatus

Ebola is the planets exterminator of pests. Once humans piss off our wonderful Mother Earth she lets out her little bugs to cull the nasty pests. We are the pests..... I think there was a movie about something kinda like this only the planet made people kill themselves and others in nasty ways.

"The Hapenning" is the title of that movie, it was plants secreting a toxine making peoplke kill themselves

GR8T Movie

reply to post by Thurisaz


Ebola is, and always has been a zoonotic disease.

Mamatus
Ebola is the planets exterminator of pests. Once humans piss off our wonderful Mother Earth she lets out her little bugs to cull the nasty pests. We are the pests.....

We already contain a lot of the Ebola genome in our human genome. ...I don't see diseases as "exterminators" - more as nature's mechanism for helping us adapt to environmental changes. ....Microbes and viruses adapt and mutate first, then share their genetic wisdom.

a reply to: Aleister

Worth repeating.

...what are the U.N. and the NWO good for if they don't start addressing that major problem, the root of these kind of diseases, the destruction of the forests and oceans, and the scrambling of human emotions and thought.

Thank you.

originally posted by: Darkblade71
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

I hear ya about the hand sanitizer, but with money and all of the people a cashier comes into contact with, especially where I was at the time, hand sanitizer was safer than catching some weird thing brought from overseas.

But yeah, use things like that only if you gotta.
Sometimes it is the lesser of two evils.

www.10news.com - Study: Hand Sanitizer Also Kills Good Bacteria...

.........
The con is that we need some of those germs -- also known as bacteria -- living on our skin. While some bacteria get us sick, researchers found a germ that actually protects our immune system.

"When it's absent, if there's any kind of injury to the skin you get excessive inflammation from that," Gallo said.

Dr. Gallo said stripping our hands of all bacteria also strips us of some of our natural defenses against other infections. "If you have no bacteria of this sort, that's bad," he said.

But Dr. Gallo said you still need to kill the bad germs. Right now, he just doesn't know how much hand sanitizer is too much or how much bacteria we need on our skin. That's for the next study.

So there's at least one pathway good bacteria on our hands help us - reducing inflammation after we receive a wound. I didn't do enough googling to find other pathways. But there was speculation on some links about the immune system maybe being helped other ways too.

I remember reading about hospitals and hand sanitizers. One of the things the workers complain about was dry hands. When possible, switching to alcohol-based wipes reduced the dryness. Apparently, washing with soap and water caused more dryness than the alcohol wipes. Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe the soap they were using didn't have moisturizers or maybe hte alcohol wipes did.

a reply to: jonnywhite

Interesting how the world works, isn't it. From your source:

...While some bacteria get us sick, researchers found a germ that actually protects our immune system.

"When it's absent, if there's any kind of injury to the skin you get excessive inflammation from that," Gallo said.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
reply to post by Darkblade71

 

If you're handling money all day, I really cannot fault you for the use of hand sanitizer. I always knew the old saying that "money is dirty" but never realized just how dirty it actually is til I had to count over $300k in cash in one night by hand. Halfway through, my fingers were blackened with filth. So gross.

The same thing happens when reading a newspaper, it's the ink not necessarily filth. I saw a report by Which that said the most filthy thing in any workplace is a keyboard, even filthier than a toilet seat! Money wasn't too bad on the list at all, far cleaner than a keyboard anyway. But yeah, whenever I get back home I always wash my hands, just in case.

This was on the BBC website half an hour ago.

www.bbc.com...

People should take note.
Another Horseman of the apocalypse mounts his steed.

Nigeria says it has put all entries into the country on red alert after confirming the death of a Liberian man who was carrying the Ebola virus.

The man died after arriving at Lagos airport on Tuesday, in the first Ebola case in Africa's most populous country.

Surveillance has been stepped up at all "airports, seaports and land borders", says Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu.

Since February, more than 660 people have died of Ebola in West Africa -the world's deadliest outbreak to date.

To keep everyone updated, this is very scary.


news.yahoo.com...

. "She is a positive case and her being out there is a risk to all. We need the public to help us locate her."

Koroma, 32, a resident of the densely populated Wellington neighbourhood, had been admitted to an isolation ward while blood samples were tested for the virus, Health ministry spokesman Sidi Yahya Tunis. The results came back on Thursday.

"The family of the patient stormed the hospital and forcefully removed her and took her away," Tunis said. "We are searching for her."

a reply to: brandiwine14

Sacred poop!
The family forcibly took her out of the hospital.

Stupid is as stupid does.

a reply to: HumansEh

Just to be clear - "hospitalization" for Ebola really is isolation and quarantine to benefit the larger community, not the patient. Here's another perspective:

Human rights abuses in treating Ebola virus patients.

….there are reports of malnutrition and discrimination in treating the patients, not giving them the medical care they should be receiving.

A member of Liberia's Human Rights Protection Forum said there are not enough human rights protections for Ebola patients, "Do you expect a suspected Ebola patient, said to be passing wastes, to live without food, medicine, and even company that could give that person hope and a sense of belonging?"

a reply to: soficrow

Sorry, what I meant was that the family were putting the whole community and themselves at risk by taking the infected person out of hospital/quarrintine. With such a high mortality rate once contracted complacency could be devastating. It is my understanding that once contracted its pretty much a given that you will die horribly.
It is a virus and every day it is permitted to exist is a day it may mutate beyond our control. Its achilles heel is its speed at killing its host, once it mutates past that obstacle the world is in trouble.

The frightening scenario (imho) is it becoming infectious during its incubation stage.
Then it can get a boarding pass and slip past immigration with ease.
Horrifying.
Hardcore Doom Porn indeed!

originally posted by: Pimpintology
Animal to animal is not scary. It would still take a lot of mutations for it to be able to infect humans through the air. Just like swine flu and bird flu. They took a long time to be able to affect humans through the air. It has to go through specific mutations. I don't see this happening anytime soon without intervention. We do not have enough Ebola outbreaks for it to reach that level of mutation.

I agree, Ebola and humans have been around for a long time, if it hasn't mutated yet, i doubt it will over night.

What is the Ebola rate in pigs in the wild I wonder?
should we really be fooling around with ''making'' Ebola airborne?

a reply to: Agit8dChop

...Ebola and humans have been around for a long time, if it hasn't mutated yet, i doubt it will over night.

Really? So you don't think the link between deforestation and Ebola is valid? You are confident that none of the 80,000 synthetic chemicals introduced into our planet's ecosystem have the ability to trigger new virus mutations - alone or in any one of the infinite number of compounds that can result when they team up with each other or natural chemicals?

I do not share your confidence, and suspect it results from a lack of knowledge.