Judge Rules Living Off the Grid to be Illegal

reply to post by VoidHawk


YES.... thanks VoidHawk.... that is exactly the sort of "law" being imposed around the world....


look at the "pre-amble..."

In order to promote public education and public safety, equal justice for all, a better informed citizenry, the rule of law, WORLD TRADE, world peace , this legal document is hereby made available on a noncommercial basis, as it is the right of all humans to know and speak the laws that govern them.

see: law.resource.org...

my emphasis added.... why is WORLD TRADE included in a doc like this???????????????



seeya

reply to post by pirhanna


So all the amish are now criminals?
That won't fly and they know it.
The judge is bluffing.

I would guess if the people in that city don't want that code, they should get together and vote it out. Have it taken out of ordinance or amended to where its less intrusive to property owners wishes. Otherwise, hook up to the sewage system and use it.

to cut a long story short,

i'm in australia, the unemployment agency and i are currently involved in some kind of standoff, recently during an interview (there were 3 of them and 1 of me) i told them "hey, i wish i could just go into the bush and live in a tree, but you system folks will just drag me out of it and try to bring me back into the system again"

they laughed and said "you can do that if you want to, noone will stop you"

i turned around and said to them "so why have you called me in here today, harassing me about getting 100 points of ID together?"

crickets
tumbleweeds
silence

i can't even find a job washing dishes,
recently i went for an interview at hog's breath cafe, the guy was younger than i am, and spent the whole interview looking down at the floor (i thought i was supposed to do that?) PMSL

enjoy it all while it lasts, folks

reply to post by pirhanna


here's the thing...
look at your utility bill closely

just having the utility connected to the house/home incurs a fee or charge...
the fee/charge (from $3-$10) for water-sewer or electric or whatever is the prorated charge levied on everyone's monthly bull to pay for and maintain the infrastructure for the service you are using.... (past-present-future use)

a off-grid person should have been keen enough to figure this out... so as to not draw suspicion to themselves use maybe 2 gallons of water and some minimum electric to pay out maybe $20 per month in utilities to keep yourself legal and un-watched to boot.

otherwise you are flaunting yourself with the 'establishment' & throwing-the-Bird at authorities... very un-wise !


you can hide-in-plain-sight & have minimal utility costs if you play your cards right/correctly,
12 volt lights & refrigeration or perhaps alternatives like natural gas are alternatives...


the off-grid person in the OP... most likely used the municipal sewer lines to dump the toilet (instead of a chemical toilet) so, that person was not Off-Grid... but was 'poaching' utilities that had a cost... the municipal laws require the home owner/home steader to maintain a continuous utility connection for health/safety reasons... so unclinch those few bucks you want to desprately cling to... they're only fiat FRN's, pay the $5- $17 monthly fees & hide-in-plain-sight even in a golf club community/subdivision

Land of the Free, Home of the Enslaved.

At least this wouldn't happen in America...because in America they have guns and those guns stop the tyrannical government from doing things like this.
Or from having powers to enter people's homes without a warrant, or from detaining people without cause for an indefinite amount of time, or from shooting unarmed people dead for no reason.

Nope... wouldn't happen in the US, because the members here have repeated for years that these things do not and could not happen in the US because they have guns, and no government would dare mess with them because they have guns, and they need all of these guns to protect the constitution and protect their laws, rights and themselves.

No siree!! Not in America.

In my town if you don't pay utility bill they shut off services. Power/Sewer/Water/Gas comes on one city hall bill.

Even if your rent is paid up or if you own the house if services are not restored within 90 days you are forcefully evicted for breaking city ordinance.

Course we also have a city ordinance if you have a unused car in yard with no proper tag and insurance city ordinance gives 30 days to get vehicle tax/tag/insurance on it or city impounds it, after 90 days city auctions vehicle cheap. I got a 300 dollar ford escort for cheap that way.

Also our city have super strict animal ordinances , no outdoor cats, can't have more than one, we had a huge stray turn feral issue and city called Astro exterminator to place milk laced liquitox in 1996 to eliminate thousands of feral cats. Our tiny town has no animal shelter so cops deal and destroy strays.

Sucks, but too broke to move in deep south country town which is stuck in 50s and still segregated, got 2 red lights in town but we have 2 high schools on each side of county blacks at one, whites at other, its not a law just volunteer segregation. Its even stereotypical cross the tracks splits the 2 sides of town.

Like living in twilight zone

Grimpachi
posted last year

I think there are other threads on it as well.

What does she do with her pooo?

It goes straight into the city sewer line. She should have had a septic tank installed. Then they would have been perfectly legal as well as "living off the grid". But if she is just using the city sewer systems and not paying then she's "mooching off the grid". That's why so many cities were so keen to get sewer lines installed across rural towns. They could use that to justify the collection of city property taxes.

reply to post by stormcell


Not true. I use to live and work in the cape.

If u lived where public sewer and water services were available u arent allowed a septic tank or water well.
If they came through your neighborhood ith new public utilites you had to hook up and pay to have your well plugged and septic removed.
You also wernt allowed to park a work truck with any signage or advertising in your driveway. Before that law they just banned all trucks in general.
You couldnt park a boat in your drivway, only in back yard behind house and it had to have boat lic up to date.
Any vehicles could only be parked on driveway and had to have current tags and insurance.

This community was mostly retired yankees. Aka snowbirds.


They had code enforcement officers that drove around looking for violations. I got a ticket for my lawn being to high once.

reply to post by pirhanna


Just because you are connected to the grid, it don't mean that you have to use it. Now show me the laws telling me that I must use it.

blupblup
At least this wouldn't happen in America...because in America they have guns and those guns stop the tyrannical government from doing things like this.
Or from having powers to enter people's homes without a warrant, or from detaining people without cause for an indefinite amount of time, or from shooting unarmed people dead for no reason.

Nope... wouldn't happen in the US, because the members here have repeated for years that these things do not and could not happen in the US because they have guns, and no government would dare mess with them because they have guns, and they need all of these guns to protect the constitution and protect their laws, rights and themselves.

No siree!! Not in America.

edit on 1/4/14 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

Probably the most important post in this thread, and of course it gets completely lost in the sewage.

reply to post by pirhanna


I always found it very ironic, how in what is supposedly the freest countries in the world, you simply are not ALLOWED to be free.

Then I realized that what we live under is something akin to free range slavery. You are allowed freedom, to a point. But you cannot simply walk into the woods and live off the Earth, which is supposed to belong to all of us. This video is the closest thing to the truth I have yet found.

Its a shame when you finally see the bars that enclose you. But rest assured, the bars are there.

This is the same kind of response that communist countries like China will do against someone they see threatening their power system of control. When people over there go to a church of any kind, they are monitored. Especially a Christian church, since that teaches people about a higher authority than can be found among men and women. They don't want there to be a higher authority so they respond.

The city in Florida is seeing her in a similar view in that she does not need the city to survive.

reply to post by pirhanna


This is really messed up.

It's getting worse by the day it seems like it.

The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land, no "international treaties" should trump the U.S. Constitution or any of the basic human rights enumerated within the Bill of Rights. The Declaration of Independence of the U.S. also states those are "unalienable rights" given by the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitled to each one of us.

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The current system and the usurpations done by it are but a travesty, an insult, and an attempt by those corrupted by power to do their best to take away every right which are unalienable to EVERY American.

Anonex

Probably the most important post in this thread, and of course it gets completely lost in the sewage.

So, you and blupblup would rather all rights were taken away, and more so the Second Amendment simply because there are too many Americans who have fallen asleep at the wheel and because the government keeps trying to bypass the U.S. Constitution?... Is that what you two are implying?...

ElectricUniverse

Anonex

Probably the most important post in this thread, and of course it gets completely lost in the sewage.

So, you and blupblup would rather all rights were taken away, and more so the Second Amendment simply because there are too many Americans who have fallen asleep at the wheel and because the government keeps trying to bypass the U.S. Constitution?... Is that what you two are implying?...

Congratulations

You win the the missing the point of the post award!

His point was simple.....,.you boost about all your guns to protect you from tyranny...,,,so why do you basically have a tyranny? Why haven't you used your guns?

Or you just deflecting in a lame excuse to hide your own inaction too?

M'ehh, all I see in this thread is a whole heaping helping of hysteria and ignorance.

The international code quite clearly states that you can unplug from a town supply of water and sewerage if you use an approved system. This woman wasn't, she was still using town sewerage but refusing to pay for it.

Here's the thing for all you off grid wannabes; If you don't keep your gutters clean you can get some very nasty diseases in your water. People can and do get very sick from things like birds falling into your water supply source and dying or rotting leaves in the downpipes. The same goes with your sewerage. Septic tanks need to be cleaned and maintained it once again diseases can make an unwelcome appearance.

I grew up on a farm with a septic tank, rainwater, wood stove and our own back up generator. We had a huge problem one year and we all got very ill. My youngest brother, who was only about two nearly died from a disease who's name i cannot remember for the life of me, but it was all caused by a bird falling into our rainwater tank and dying after a storm had ripped a pipe loose from it. We had no idea until we all fell ill. Everything we had up was up our councils standard and we knew how to maintain it all because these things were our only option for sanitation, drinking and heating / cooking when the power went out in winter storms.

*ETA: I should add that when an analysis was done on our drinking water, the romantic rainwater stuff, the results were horrifying. Not only did we have this water borne disease in it, it showed unhealthy levels of herbicides thanks to farm weed spray drift landing on the roof and heavy metals due to lead and tin being used on the house roof.*

But it just goes to show how vulnerable you can make yourself with a romantic ideal like off grid living. If you don't want to drink treated water, buy a filter. Its less risky than rainwater. Defintely don't mess with sewerage unless you live on a decent block of land and can install a proper septic tank system.

I hope you all understand that this code is part of agenda 21

Its real

Its here

And it wont stop until it has been acheived

Please read up on it if you want to see the world we will soon be living in

Wish I were joking

But im not

reply to post by Another_Nut


Cholera is real

Campylibacter is real

Encephalitis is real

Hepatitis A is real

These are just some of the many dangers of untreated water and sewerage being consumed where population density is high like in Towns and cities. Raw sewage tends to contaminate ground water and rainwater can be dangerous too. If you don't want to drink fluoride, buy bottled water or get a filter.

Agenda 21 seeks to lower global population. The fact that we are breeding faster than ever and living longer than our grandparents and all generations before then clearly shows that this agenda was nothing more than a think tank exercise.