Does the goverement monitor these boards?

Originally posted by skychief
It's probably a safe bet to say they have and will at some point in time. I'm not worried though because we are still free to post opinions. We are still allowed to do that aren't we.....

Yes, until the Patriot Act is inforced in full and the men in black come breaking down your door in the middle of the night!

Originally posted by creamsoda

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
It doesn't bother me who watches this board. The question I have yet to receive an answer for is whether or not our keystrokes or surfing is watched after we leave this board. One is less likely to give much about themselves on a discussion forum, but it is what other sites you might surf, who you e-mail, and what you write that sheds personal information.

I agree with that, its something i wouldnt have thought about. Becaue nowadays its really easy to trace an IP. Im sure that with the technology the government has, they are able to tap in to us un-noticable, and watch our every move. Heck, I wouldnt be suprised if they tapped into the computer and listened to the sounds of your house with your computer mics (if you have any). I also heard something about the phone keyword thing. Like if you say slurs about things you would hear this 'click click' sound.

Hey....get an IP hidder...they are free....hummmm I wonder if the person who makes them can listen.

I remember a number of years ago before touch tone phones, pac bell was taken to task for installing devices in thier old dial up phones that could be activated at some point in the future and used to listen to the goings on in american households.

Big brother has been around for decades and is still going strong.

Why would the masters of propaganda need to watch amateurs?

The board works to their favour since it's a back-and-forth bickerfest. It's when everyone posts "I agree" that alarms start going off.

Go ahead .gov, drop the axe on me, I know I'm next for persecution anyway. I'd be surprised if they're the first to get to me.

[edit on 16-12-2004 by saint4God]

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
My question posted on two different threads still has not been answered. The silence is deafening. I can therefore conclude, that CoreMetrics as is used on this site, and most likely, ATSNN itself, are both tracking the ATSNN user's computer usage after they leave here.

I would ask why, but since I cannot get an answer as to if this is being done or not, I doubt I can expect one on the latter.

What in God's name are you talking about????

Originally posted by Ken00112

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

Originally posted by Ken00112
Just watch what you say, and you guys will be fine. I can track any one of you down, just as I did in my post above.

[edit on 15-12-2004 by Ken00112]

Any "Whois" search will turn this up. Next....

Whois.sc

[edit on 15-12-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

We'll see about that.

See about what??? How you can use a search engine to find things out??
**Waits to see my screen name Googled with returns to "My" website, then a whois search which will return "Public" Information... I'm really scared.....

If you want to know who people with possible radicule views are you make a place that attracts them.
You want to catch a terrorist you make yourself known that you posse something they require.
You want to catch a mouse you bate it with something the mouse wants.
Just because some personnalities appear and ridicule the ideas don`t mean it ain`t true.remeber Deny Ignorance

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
My question posted on two different threads still has not been answered. The silence is deafening. I can therefore conclude, that CoreMetrics as is used on this site, and most likely, ATSNN itself, are both tracking the ATSNN user's computer usage after they leave here.

I would ask why, but since I cannot get an answer as to if this is being done or not, I doubt I can expect one on the latter.

What in God's name are you talking about????

Since I read the above quoted quote a few days ago, this has really been bothering me. My computer usage being monitored??? I use multiple computers...WTF???
I am now questioning joining ATS

One of the 1/2 hour shows on CNN talked about our 'intelligence' that the country relies upon. In that they said the CIA had computers that couldn't talk to each other and had to print & Fed Ex important documents. Wow, can you believe that? They don't even have a secured intranet set up yet. I think a lot of government agencies rely upon the "we could if we really wanted to" kind of attitude since budget-wise, they're either not the most efficient of organizations or they are lacking in funds. If they're spending their time watching this board for business purposes, that doubly reinforces that statement. Candidly, if I worked at the CIA I'd probably be on here during my lunch break.

Originally posted by ebolazebra
Does anyone know if the goverment monitors these boards? Has anyone ever gotten arrested for posting something "above top secret"?

Of course this board and all who post on it are monitored.

Don't believe me?

Then check out the white van parked across the street from your location when you are accessing this board.

It would make sense that various agencies of the government do monitor and even post on ATS. Anybody who watches the news is familiar with the arrests of pedophiles who are lured into traveling for sex with an underage individual after discussions on a chat board. In reality, they were chatting with an FBI or local law enforcement agent. Or there's the child porn collectors that trade pictures with the FBI and get nabbed. Or there's the Fort Lewis soldier who was convicted for supporting terrorism (the government found him after he posted on message boards.)

If the government devotes this much energy in catching pedophiles and pornographers, don't you think they go to even greater lengths for national security?

For example, take the discussion in ATS' Military Facilities section regarding a massive walk-on to Area 51. Odds are, the initial poster is a government agent working on arresting people for various conspiracy charges. Since conspiracy only takes one overt act in furtherance of an illegal goal, even the simplest of things such as e-mail exchanges or having coffee with another ATS member could lead to a conviction. I also think that whenever someone stumbles onto a piece of classified information or black project that the government wants kept quiet, they will post threads mocking or trying to debunk the theory.

Is there any way to prevent this? Doubtful. Shine up your aluminum foil helmet, don't trust anyone, and keep your head down. Even the paranoid have enemies.


Links to the facts above:
Pedophile arrests: www.oag.state.tx.us...
Porn arrests: www.usatoday.com...
Ft. Lewis soldier: www.msnbc.msn.com...

Hello, evryone:
I do belive that the Federal governtment is monitoring
this site and others like this. They are also monitoring
the internet in general. They have ways to get inside your
private e-mails , see what tipe of sites you go to and the
chats you use ect. If you serch for example "homemade
explosive" they be looking to see the number of time you
get in. They (F.B.I.,C.I.A.,N.S.A and others)also are monitoring
cell phones randomly ,radio bands ,bank accounts , ect. they are looking for key words and or fraces like for example "alla" , "bomb" , "to die for...
So you bet ! they are here they are watching. They watch tru the bank
cameras, trafic cameras and satelites
After 9/11 even more!!
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!!!!

I have no doubt they look for specific key works and searches, then analyse the context to which they are presented. I agree this should be done to protect everyone's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and don't see where it is infringing on people's rights. It's policing cyber-space just like it's policing the suspicious activity of a street corner in your neighborhood. I do doubt however they're specifically combing through ATS, e-mails and chat rooms looking for dirt.

[edit on 21-12-2004 by saint4God]

[edit on 21-12-2004 by saint4God]

"NO we dont!" ............"D'OH"!!!

they pretty much monitor everything else ,so yes i reckon they probably do,i think in the uk if you take out more than 5 books on terrorism or bombmaking etc that you go on an un-official register,so a site of people discussing conspiracy probably gets a look in from time to time.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Don't believe me?

Nope.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Then check out the white van parked across the street from your location when you are accessing this board.

Okay, let's take the number of users and assume there's one van per poster. Now with high-tech monitoring equiptment let's estimate a cost per van at approx. $45,000. Also, we've got some international people too so their governement must be in on it as well. Where are our accountants on here for the grand total cost?

no....we are not monitoring this board....keep talking about other things......
j/k

Keyword stuff,
Isn't that the original intention of NSA's Echelon (for radio based communication((phone etc...)))?

But using your computer to listen in on you home, or tracking your moves on the net because you were on ATS....
Unless your PC is riddled with 'spyware' it is not really possible to the degree being implied. Disinformation like that depends heavily on 'Non-techie' internet users. Those who don't really understand PCs/networks/software etc..., but simply just use them. If you have ever done any serious software/firmware programming, you would see how 'way out there' such fears are.
Not to say big brother doesn't have some ability to intercept/identify just most are over embellished.
I would say / hope they are monitoring boards like this.
would be incompetent / negligent if they are not.


[edit on 12/27/2004 by Notme]

Well of course they do. Every spook needs a good chuckle now and then and all the bs that flies around on this board provides quite a few..........

Yeah, they do.

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

What in God's name are you talking about????

In God's name, I speak of this, as in the first time I asked the question: www.abovetopsecret.com...'


In God's name, have you an answer?

I know for a fact that Air Force personnel, as well as some military aviation contractors, go to some of the "chem-trail" websites -- because I pointed them that way.

Back in 2000 or so, when I'd first heard about "chem-trails" and read some of the stuff at carneycon's site, I told my then boss, a retired military aviator, that I was finally on to his secret business and told him to check out the site.

Well, he spent an hour there, and started telling a lot of his friends about "chem-trails". Perhaps ten percent of the people who actually went to the sites became angry at the hoaxers, but the vast majority of them saw the hilarity of the thing, and considered it one of the best jokes around.

When I moved into my new house a couple of years ago, I told my new next-door neighbor Matt (who is a pilot for Alaska Airlines and also a reserve Air Force major flying KC-135s) about the chem-trails and told him to check out several of the sites, including the one by that California musician who develops "chem-busters", which are shower-curtain rods filled with epoxh and glass beads.

He thought it was great, and told me he'd turned on some of his colleagues at both Alaska and the Air Force about it. Now I know he still goes there on occasion, and some of his colleagues probably do, too.

But the thing you have to understand is that these Air Force and Boeing types go there to laugh at the chem-a-zoids, because they realize that it's all bogus. The consider the whole "chem-trail" thing (rightly) as nothing but a big joke and the folks who buy into it are simply naive people that don't have a clue.

Now I can't speak for how the government reacts to all the Dulce stuff and the Area 51 stuff and the Spaceship Guys stuff and the HAARP stuff and the Secret Undergroundf Concentration Camp stuff and all the rest; my guess is that they all consider it as silliness, too; and are having a good laugh at the expense of the people who actually believe it.

But I know that's the case with "chem-trails".