Did Obama Just Avoid Another War? Number 4? Ukraine?

Skymon612
With the news today that Ukraine, Russia, and the USA are going to resolve the issue with diplomacy and apparently not with war it appears that all the online rumors we have been hearing about Ukraine being the start of WW3 appear to be bogus.

Here are the wars that appear to have been avoided:

Syria=avoided
Iran=avoided
Egypt=avoided
Russia/Ukraine=avoided

With Iraq over and Afghanistan ending are we approaching a time of peace?

Who would have thought that Obama would be the one in charge when these wars were avoided.

Its just the calm before the storm ..the West can not live without war, and stealing what belongs to others ..
You can be sure there is something bigger brewing ..

None of these conflicts has been avoided.
Just the Obama pretexts for these wars.

apparently they did ...

reply to post by Skymon612


your wrong.

Syria- was not avoided he was out played. he very much wanted to go in, but out smarted by puttin. after that anything other than to let it go the way it did would have been viewed a petty spitefulness.

Iran= again he was played and didn't avoid anything, might have slowed it down until he leaves, but didn't stop anything, in fact he gave in, by lifting some of the sanctions he empowered iran, by letting them have resources they need.

What does Iran give up? What does it get to keep?
Iran’s key commitment is to limit its enrichment of uranium – the element needed to make a nuclear bomb – to 5 percent, according to a summary of the agreement released by the White House. Iran will dilute its stockpile of 20 percent-enriched uranium down to 5 percent, freeze many of its centrifuges that produce uranium and disable some technical features of some centrifuges. Iran also will stop construction and fuel production for its unfinished plutonium reactor and not expand its enrichment capabilities.

Under the agreement, Iran may continue to enrich uranium and does not need to dismantle any centrifuges or its plutonium reactor – conditions Netanyahu has said are necessary.

What is the significance of different levels of uranium enrichment?

Only a rare and specific type of uranium, uranium 235, can be used for a nuclear weapon. Enrichment, which is conducted using centrifuges, is the process of separating that material from the rest of the uranium supply. Five percent enrichment, for example, means that 5 percent of the uranium stockpile in question is uranium 235.

Five percent-enriched uranium can be used for civilian purposes like nuclear power; to be used for a nuclear weapon, uranium needs to be enriched to 90 percent. Iran long has claimed that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes only.

The agreement aims to curb Iran’s uranium enrichment at 5 percent.

So why are Israeli officials criticizing the deal?

Getting uranium from zero to 5 percent is still the hardest part of enrichment; jumping from 5 to 90 percent is easier. So by allowing Iran to enrich to 5 percent, the agreement allows Iran to continue clearing the biggest enrichment-related hurdle to bomb-making capacity.

Iran also possesses “next-generation” centrifuges that allow it to jump from 5 to 90 percent in a matter of weeks – what Israelis call a “breakout capacity.” The agreement freezes those centrifuges but doesn’t require Iran to fully dismantle them.
Understanding the Nuclear Deal With Iran

Iran’s Arak Reactor and the Plutonium Bomb

Egypt= avoided, well yea there was no need to try and go in and help his buddy from the brotherhood back in office, after the military removed him and the will of the Egyptian people was really reviled.

Russia/Ukraine= avoided no where even close yet, what will happen is puttin will get to keep Crimeia, just like the land grab in Geogria and then he will make futher pushes just like seems to be happening there now

While tensions between Ukraine and Russia escalate, alarming the U.S. and the European Union, Russia expanded its border on land seized in the 2008 war with Georgia, a move that could escalate and open another conflict in the Black Sea region, experts indicated Friday.
While Ukraine And Crimea Spiral Out Of Control, Georgia, Another Former Soviet Republic, Feels The Heat

all obama is doing now is trying to make himself look stronger and his foreign policies in this area seem better than they are.
he wants to be seen as a great diplomat, but he has poor skills which are evident in his continual giving in.

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"what will happen is puttin will get to keep Crimeia, just like the land grab in Geogria and then he will make futher pushes just like seems to be happening there now"

You turned the TV off before watching the concluding part where the EU was force to apologize to Russia about trying to blame them for the events that followed an attack that had the blessing of the west.

Take a peek over the fence and you will see that many people in the Ukraine are against the coalition that had a marriage of convenience to out an elected president and already we are seeing bitter in fighting between these groups and they have not even agreed to a divorce yet.

Crimea was not taken by force and the fear about letting them decide their own future at the ballot box is because the people of the Ukraine might want some of that too.

reply to post by VirusGuard


i didn't say it was, i said he will be allowed to keep it. i wonder about the election. but that's neither here nor there.
what is the point is that, since 2008 russia has gained control of land that was part of the old soviet union and seems to be wanting more of the former republic back.

that and obama's policies and diplomatic skills are not reasons why war has been avoided.

and just so you know just about 90% of my info comes from the internet. i watch the msm news at night while i eat to hear the noise.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


"since 2008 russia has gained control of land that was part of the old soviet union and seems to be wanting more of the former republic back."

Do tell me what bit of land you are talking about prior to the Crimea voting to rejoin Russia and it's puppets (elected as they were) being removed from power in the Ukraine ?

I call that a land loss and not a gain but I would still like to know about this land Russia has gained back after trusting the west not to put missiles in Poland because I don't know of any.

reply to post by VirusGuard


Georgia, or did you forget about that or not read the last link in my first post. they moved in in 2008.
the U.S. even sent humanitarian aid, not the first bit of military aid. and Georgia was our third largest contributor in the Iraq War, and has the highest number of troops in afghanistan compared to other by population.

granted it started under bush, but obama has done nothing in order to rectify what happened.



ETA: i should corect myself,the only thing done was give the Georgians a ride home from iraq so they could fight.
old article but i have heard no other soucre say that they have with drawn, in fact the link in my first post says they are expanding.

Almost four years after the Russian invasion of Georgia in August 2008, approximately 10,000 Russian troops still occupy the Georgian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This occupation represents 20 percent of Georgia’s internationally recognized territory and is in direct violation of the Six Point Ceasefire Agreement brokered by then-French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Although many of Georgia’s friends have forgotten about the occupation, the Georgian people certainly have not. Polling shows the question of Georgia’s territorial integrity as the biggest concern after unemployment for the Georgian people.
Georgia and Russia: The Occupation Too Many Have Forgotten

Feel bad for Obama. I really do.

He is going to get punished either way. He has avoided 4 potentially massive wars, where is his credit?

Is he the best president you ever had? No. But how many lives has he saved?


I honestly think sometimes, that we are the deluded ones. We have dived so deep into all this stuff, that anytime something happens, we think there is a lie, or a conspiracy.


SOMETIMES, things are how they seem.

Kudos Obama

Skymon612
With the news today that Ukraine, Russia, and the USA are going to resolve the issue with diplomacy and apparently not with war it appears that all the online rumors we have been hearing about Ukraine being the start of WW3 appear to be bogus.

Here are the wars that appear to have been avoided:

Syria=avoided
Iran=avoided
Egypt=avoided
Russia/Ukraine=avoided

With Iraq over and Afghanistan ending are we approaching a time of peace?

Who would have thought that Obama would be the one in charge when these wars were avoided.

Uh no….he "didn't build that"….

Obamas foreign policy flubs and achievements came from chance and not skill.

cosmicexplorer
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America at War Since 1776

America has been at war for over 200 years since 1776....I doubt we are gonna slow down now!

You could apply the same to just about every major power in the world tho right?

Most of which have a far longer existence/history

TritonTaranis

cosmicexplorer
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America at War Since 1776

America has been at war for over 200 years since 1776....I doubt we are gonna slow down now!

You could apply the same to just about every major power in the world tho right?

Most of which have a far longer existence/history

I dont know ive never looked up every country...and I bet you couldnt...enlighten me though!!!

I did a map of "major" conflicts awhile back and USA took the taco on that one...the problem is what is really considered war...some of the ones on even the usa map are pretty light...still ...America is the leader of war...for its existence...but id be happy to see you prove me wrong as Im really not 100% sure.

OP I don't think we can say avoid totally IMO

Syria [ongoing]
Iran [ongoing]
Egypt [allied never any threat of war]
Russia/Ukraine [ongoing]

Syria is far from over or resolved

It is the Saudis and Qatar who are aidi g there fellow Sunni Muslims in Syria, it is the Russian backed Assad regime which are the minority's in Syria it is the reverse situation In Ukraine, so of Russia has the right to annex a minority surely the Saudis and Qatar under the same logic have a right to annex the 90% Sunni Muslims under Shiite and Russian control?

Egypt is very much an allied country to the west and there was never any threat of war with Egypt, only that a peaceful transition of power was carried out and bloodshed adverted, the same cannot be said for Syria who Russia asked to remain in power out of fear of A Sunni government getting into office and dropping its ties with Russia and Russia losing its influence in the region

Iran, is still very much ongoing simply because they're apart of the coalition, Russia, China, Iran, Syria, North Korea

Nothing involving these country's will be over until they're of no threat to the western world and her allies, until then expect more pressure on these country till they fold and are of no threat or in no position to threaten the west

Obama probably doesn't even choose which golf club to use for himself.

"The west" stupidly started this whole conflict and has begun to try to de-escalate it all while trying to save face. If that counts as "avoiding another war" in your book, then I guess that's what they did.

cosmicexplorer
I did a map of "major" conflicts awhile back and USA took the taco on that one...the problem is what is really considered war...some of the ones on even the usa map are pretty light...still ...America is the leader of war...for its existence...but id be happy to see you prove me wrong as Im really not 100% sure.

You're definitely wrong. The winner is easily the British Empire/UK. Google search for a map of countries they HAVEN'T invaded at some point and it's such an astoundingly short list.

The limited participation of the US in WW1 and WW2 alone puts the US so very far behind most European powers in total body count. But even that isn't the only thing keeping the US from catching them: one of the main examples of this is that many European powers, even relatively small ones, also have huge body counts from African colonialism.

11andrew34
Obama probably doesn't even choose which golf club to use for himself.

"The west" stupidly started this whole conflict and has begun to try to de-escalate it all while trying to save face. If that counts as "avoiding another war" in your book, then I guess that's what they did.

cosmicexplorer
I did a map of "major" conflicts awhile back and USA took the taco on that one...the problem is what is really considered war...some of the ones on even the usa map are pretty light...still ...America is the leader of war...for its existence...but id be happy to see you prove me wrong as Im really not 100% sure.

You're definitely wrong. The winner is easily the British Empire/UK. Google search for a map of countries they HAVEN'T invaded at some point and it's such an astoundingly short list.

The limited participation of the US in WW1 and WW2 alone puts the US so very far behind most European powers in total body count. But even that isn't the only thing keeping the US from catching them: one of the main examples of this is that many European powers, even relatively small ones, also have huge body counts from African colonialism.

Sorry I didnt clarify...it was major conflicts in the last 20 years....my bad..you are right UK I think would win that one...

If Obama handlers are calling the shots then Obama's handlers are telling him to avoid war and not get involved in uncessecary wars the kind that we saw under Bush.

Sometimes fate turns on a dime, as the saying goes. At the end of August 2013, the British prime minister David Cameron's rush to support the US in military strikes against Syria was rejected by the MP's in Westminster.

He and most of his party were shocked, they thought it a forgone conclusion. They weren't the only ones, in fact most people were surprised by it, including the media, here and in the US. I remember Bonnie Greer, the Anglo-American novelist and critic, saying that American friends and acquittances had contacted her to ask, "what's up with the Brits, how come they're not with us on this one?" Either way, it was enough to make Obama hesitate in the headlong rush to another Middle East war. Perhaps it also helped swell the belief amongst the many newly awakened Americans that their views should be heard. Let's hope it stays that way.

I was thrilled by the turn of events, maybe the world was slowly tipping towards the positive, as some had predicted. Whatever the impetus, it seemed that many politicians had finally come to understand the majority's distaste for the phoney wars in pursuit of resources, of the last decade.