Vladimir Putin 'Wants to Regain Finland' Says Close Adviser

reply to post by Phage


I disagree, from the 50s onwards pretty much every single revolution in the world has been backed by US/UK/The West. These aren't conspiracy theories, they're public documents anyone can read about.

The CIA has released documents which for the first time formally acknowledge its key role in the 1953 coup which ousted Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister, Mohammad Mossadeq.

The documents were published on the independent National Security Archive on the 60th anniversary of the coup.

They come from the CIA's internal history of Iran from the mid-1970s.

"The military coup... was carried out under CIA direction as an act of US foreign policy," says one excerpt.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Russia is innocent in comparison and have a genuine claim for protecting their borders unlike the West's invasion of the Middle East, Africa etc..

The documents on US funding of the revolution in Ukraine are open for anyone to see if they read the German Marshall Fund documents and leaked phonecalls between US politicians where they openly talk about who they're going to put into power after the revolution with no mention of what's best for the people of Ukraine, only what benefits the US.

In the interests of fairness if Putin is ex-KGB, then why isn't the US President labeled a military dictator due to being commander in chief of the armed forces? These labels are pure propaganda aimed to make one side look like the 'bad guy' while ignoring facts.

..and I suppose he's "Shilling" for the West here too

I think it also Knocks on the head the idea that Russia
does not medal in the Internal affairs of sovereign nations
or manipulates revolutions.. He's clearly saying the KGB and Russian
special forces are already on the ground in Ukraine agitating
for Putin.


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Andrei Illarionov, formerly Vladimir Putin’s top economic advisor (and personal envoy to the G8) , has warned in an interview with Ukrainian television that Putin has already declared war on Kiev. Putin’s war is being conducted by Russian Spetsnaz (special operations) forces and KGB (now called FSB) agents and is aimed at toppling the pro-Western government in Kiev. The Spetsnaz forces’ orders include the sowing of civil unrest throughout Ukraine via strikes, demonstrations, staged incidents, and street battles. Putin’s subversive forces will also gin up neo-Nazi incidents with Nazi regalia and Swastikas on full display. Their orders include as well the deliberate killing of Russian soldiers and of ethnic Russian civilians to prove the hatred and extremism of radical Ukrainian nationalists. These orders come from Putin himself. Their goal is to create an image of intolerable chaos and loss of civil authority to justify a Russian takeover of all Ukraine. Putin’s goal is the destruction of pro-Western authority in Ukraine, the total humiliation of the West, and a makeover of the geopolitical balance. Illiaronov’s urgent advice to Ukraine: Place all your effort into preserving civil order and avoid falling for the Spetsnaz provocations. (This will be difficult as Spetsnaz-organized gangs are already storming public buildings in East Ukraine). Ukrainian authorities must immediately close all borders with Russia to slow the infiltration of Spetsnaz and FSB destabilization units. Ukrainian TV and radio must immediately broadcast all their news in Russian or in English because many Ukrainian citizens and Russians do not understand Ukrainian.

Yeah, nasty ol' Russia, causing all that trouble and strife for the Ukrainians!

Seriously, what a load of BS. The US and EU, having already messed things up big time, now roll out an "EX" Russian government advisor - now working for a western think tank - and spews a load of BS.... and we have to take it all as gospel? After all the lies and BS they have been spewing for decades to justify all their killing and maiming, do they really think people still buy it?
Well, obviously some do, which is unbelievable given the track record of the western governments!

Britguy
Yeah, nasty ol' Russia, causing all that trouble and strife for the Ukrainians!

Seriously, what a load of BS. The US and EU, having already messed things up big time, now roll out an "EX" Russian government advisor - now working for a western think tank - and spews a load of BS.... and we have to take it all as gospel? After all the lies and BS they have been spewing for decades to justify all their killing and maiming, do they really think people still buy it?
Well, obviously some do, which is unbelievable given the track record of the western governments!

What's your opinion on Russia's human rights track record say over the last 70 years
compared to say.. The UK/USA?

I pity Russia.

Last time they made a bid for Finland they whooped Russia arse so badly in one of the most humiliating defeats ever.

Yawn, the anti west conspiracy wackos convincing themselves what's going on in the world is nothing short of sickening and cringe

rigel4

Britguy
Yeah, nasty ol' Russia, causing all that trouble and strife for the Ukrainians!

Seriously, what a load of BS. The US and EU, having already messed things up big time, now roll out an "EX" Russian government advisor - now working for a western think tank - and spews a load of BS.... and we have to take it all as gospel? After all the lies and BS they have been spewing for decades to justify all their killing and maiming, do they really think people still buy it?
Well, obviously some do, which is unbelievable given the track record of the western governments!

What's your opinion on Russia's human rights track record say over the last 70 years
compared to say.. The UK/USA?

The UK/ USA are hardly in a position to criticise anyone over human rights, given the bloodshed they have had a hand in over the last few decades. Russia has also had it's domestic issues and has put down dissent with a very heavy hand too. But, you can hardly bring up Russia's human rights record and paint them as the bad guys here! When did Russia start destabilising nations? Where are the hundreds of Russian overseas military bases? What are the wars Russia has been fighting in foreign nations constantly for the last 20-30 years?

See, when you look at facts, Russia comes way down the list of bad guys!

racasan
Nice try American government but Andrej Illiaronov works for the Cato Institute so he’s one of yours


A few points
The average Finn is better armed than an a Montana militia man
All Finns do two years national service

Completely wrong on both points.
Average Finn has no arms. Only men are required to enlist. Anyone who doesn't want to can opt out easily. It's not 2 years. 6 months if you dont wanna go for the leadership positions.

reply to post by PsykoOps


Even though Finland is not NATO, it is still EU, and that alone would be grounds to go to war should Russia ever try and use military action.

The Ukraine and Crimea are not part of the EU, so the West can afford play around there. Finland, however, is EU territory. Even though it is not NATO, if an invasion ever happened, it is likely NATO would be involved there regardless, since NATO is still the only military tool the EU has. That is, until form an EU defense coalition. I remember talk about that before, but that was before all the financial crisis.

Putin is not an idiot and is not reckless. He is screwing around with the Ukraine because he knows he can get away with it. Finland he could not.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
reply to post by PsykoOps

 

Even though Finland is not NATO, it is still EU, and that alone would be grounds to go to war should Russia ever try and use military action.

It's not grounds for anything. It's just as much grounds as violation of ukrainian territory. EU doesn't have any defensive pacts. If something were to go down EU could choose to try the diplomatic route or trigger WW3. If Finland were to fall everyone would be trying to save their own asses.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
reply to post by PsykoOps

 

Even though Finland is not NATO, it is still EU, and that alone would be grounds to go to war should Russia ever try and use military action.

The Ukraine and Crimea are not part of the EU, so the West can afford play around there. Finland, however, is EU territory. Even though it is not NATO, if an invasion ever happened, it is likely NATO would be involved there regardless, since NATO is still the only military tool the EU has. That is, until form an EU defense coalition. I remember talk about that before, but that was before all the financial crisis.

Putin is not an idiot and is not reckless. He is screwing around with the Ukraine because he knows he can get away with it. Finland he could not.

Best way to thwart NATO expansion into former Soviet republics would be for Russia to become a successful nation in terms of economics and society. By products of these are also strong military and technological progress.

Invading and digesting other countries is not 21st Century coffee flavor.

Foucalt
OH yeah, and the rioting in Venezuela must surely be a Western inside job too - there's no way that it can just be the result of people getting fed up with worthless corrupt governments.

...is it not obvious that the USA is behind Venezuela? I mean, it happens right after the icon of the bolivarian revolution dies, in the rich neighborhoods of Venezuelan cities, in the same style as the last time the CIA tried to carry out a counterrevolution there. These rioters were taking over streets and killing civilians just to incite a police response. If you don't believe me, look up how many innocent cyclists got their heads cut off from wire strung out across the street by the so-called protesters. And look, those mysterious snipers that were shooting both sides in Ukraine moved on to Venezuela to do the same...

I've even had a Venezuelan diplomat / documentary filmmaker personally show me the totally stupid propaganda that the western media uses, especially in terms of pictures depicting violent police that are actually pictures from other countries at different times.

Here is a great article describing how the CIA infiltrates universities in Latin America in order to recruit, radicalize and sacrifice locals for the counter revolutionary effort. And as the article states, this process is far from limited to just Latin America Ex-CIA agent reveals how Venezuelan “students” get putschist training

PsykoOps
reply to post by Yusomad

 

Nazi thugs? As in the legally elected officials in charge?

reply to post by cm23

 

"Observers" my ass. The finnish "observer" for example is nothing but a Putin wannabe. Noone takes his bs seriously. And just because they claim they saw no faul play doesn't mean jack #. We know for a fact that the country had been invaded. The cossacks may have kept a low profile but that doesn't mean they were there.

And what about the other observers? And what about the ~10 first-hand reports of Ukrainian (!) friends I have received? They surely are no Putin wannabes! It was very calm before, during and after the referendum!

cm23
And what about the other observers? And what about the ~10 first-hand reports of Ukrainian (!) friends I have received? They surely are no Putin wannabes! It was very calm before, during and after the referendum!

The ones who on camera claimed that they had not seen any military in crimea? Completely ignoring thousands upon thousands of videos proving them wrong. And your friends are irrelevant. It was so calm that peacefull supporters of Ukraine were beaten. On camera. And murdered. Press continously harrassed and items seized just like any "democratic" paradise. Peacefull my ass.

rigel4

I think we are in 1938/39 all over again.. so the question is what do we do.
let him make his move or move against him.

Just waiting for him to set up the gas chambers to eructate all the gays... seems he is on that path...rather eerie of how it all seems to mirror Germany 1938...

Xtrozero

rigel4

I think we are in 1938/39 all over again.. so the question is what do we do.
let him make his move or move against him.

Just waiting for him to set up the gas chambers to eructate all the gays... seems he is on that path...rather eerie of how it all seems to mirror Germany 1938...

Looks more like 1892 Europe to me.