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Ok. I think I feel somewhat different about it at the moment. That the suffering the mind control causes enlightens you as you said, but that it isn't in spite of but rather because. That even though you feel strongly that the cause of the suffering is negative when you are in the suffering it is not negative but positive. This is related to evil in general. I feel that all evil is like this. The conspiracy, Israel and the Jews are like this. It might therefore be a quick way to measure someone's level of enlightenment to ask about their view on Jews and Israel. I have a positive view on Jews and Israel and that might say something about my level of enlightenment. I used to hardly know anything about Jews and conspiracies and that probably said something about the level of enlightenment I had then. I have a very hard time forgiving my parents and that probably is another thing that says something about my level of enlightenment, where I am at on the spiritual map. Hopefully this unforgiveness and resentment is a symptom of me being in the process of receiving enlightenment, and not a sign of me being corrupt and evil (two sides of the same coin?), as Sunni Muslims would see it. I do find it very interesting and somewhat paradoxical that most Sunni Muslims have no issues with a grudge against their parents, but on the other hand most Sunni Muslims almost hate Israel and Jews, or at least view Israel and Jews as something very negative. I think that Sunni Muslims and I are at very different places on the spiritual map, and therefore the appropriate spiritual tools for Sunni Muslims and for me are different. They don't seem to understand my situation at all, and when I see them I see people that are in a different situation. I tried to be in a group of these people but I ended up leaving and continuing my seeking and philosophizing alone instead. I also tried to go to a church but ended up leaving that behind too. Hopefully these things were the right thing to do and not some kind of sin.
LittleByLittle
introspectionist
One thing I have been thinking about is if the "evil mindcontrol" is actually good. I feel like I am a sheep but maybe it's good to be a sheep, if you see what I mean? Maybe the sheep herder is not going to lead us to slaughter but actually is doing us a favor?
From my point of view: The suffering they create is insane but the lesson you will learn about how they do it is a very good thing since when you understand you will never be blind to the manipulation again.
introspectionist
reply to post by LittleByLittle
Thanks for your posts. Very interesting.
I don't know enough about Mohammed and Rumi to judge who of the two I find more enlightened. I do think that Sunni Muslims for the most part appear less enlightened than Jews, Gnostics, Sufi Muslims, Masons and others. But I don't know if my perspective is correct or based on a lack of enlightenment on my part. That's something I always try to leave as an open door, as a possibility, and to try to not view myself as more enlightened than anyone even if I sometimes feel that way. It might be that Mohammed had different information/truths/enlightenment that he shared with different parts of humanity/kinds of humans, that exoteric esoteric sliding scale again. Maybe Sunni Islam for example is not a misunderstanding on the part of those people, but rather a set of philosophies that are applicable and right for that part of humanity, and that Mohammed knew the deep implications of it. That Mohammed is like the founding fathers of America, the Illuminati, the elders of Zion, and many others. Maybe Mohammed was a Jew? Or maybe Jews created a Mohammed myth and/or puppet to be suitable for a certain part of humanity? The possibilities seem almost endless.
Skywatcher2011
reply to post by introspectionist
Religion has NOTHING to do with ALIENS....
Jew people are NOT ALIENS....
Jew babies are BORN in HOSPITALS and NOT other planets...
4rth line....
LittleByLittle
Skywatcher2011
reply to post by introspectionist
Religion has NOTHING to do with ALIENS....
Jew people are NOT ALIENS....
Jew babies are BORN in HOSPITALS and NOT other planets...
4rth line....
Depends on your definition of Alien. Since god and the blessed one are higher level consciousness and very different from human with ego corruption I would say Religion have everything to do with Aliens (unknown entities). And if you look at Sumerian Annunaki that Genesis in the bible seem to be based on it does make another picture on how humans might have been genetically modified/created.edit on 29-3-2014 by LittleByLittle because: (no reason given)
Skywatcher2011Religion has NOTHING to do with ALIENS....
Jew people are NOT ALIENS....
Jew babies are BORN in HOSPITALS and NOT other planets...
4rth line....
LittleByLittle Depends on your definition of Alien. Since god and the blessed one are higher level consciousness and very different from human with ego corruption I would say Religion have everything to do with Aliens (unknown entities). And if you look at Sumerian Annunaki that Genesis in the bible seem to be based on it does make another picture on how humans might have been genetically modified/created.
Nicorette
Just shut the mouth up right now. You are a moron.
dashen
As official spokesman for all jews i can tell you that we are in fact annunaki Sumerian hybrids. So that makes us only HALF alien. Remember Obama is half caucasian.
Nicorette
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing
I don't know because I don't waste my time with the Bible, it is a slave religion for slaves.
"Satans Bible","The Hobbit", MGMs "Wizard of OZ" or Disneys Cartoon musical "Cinderella".
AthlonSavage
Jews a labelling words. At the level of the biological neurological level there is no such thing a Jewish species. Whoever proposed the idea is an idiot.
dashen
As official spokesman for all jews i can tell you that we are in fact annunaki Sumerian hybrids. So that makes us only HALF alien. Remember Obama is half caucasian.
symptomoftheuniverse
I love the jews, i know an unorthodox jew,he was a nazi( a bernard manning joke). Lets. All be happy