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zuimon
Luke 14 KJV
25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Comments?
bobs_uruncle
zuimon
So, I guess I am good to go, I am not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally ;-) However, the scripture is a contradiction in a sense, you can't be my disciple/follower unless you hate everyone, but preach love and forgiveness, WTF?
Cheers - Dave
Exactly! It means that sure, we are to love and forgive, that coming naturally if we don't feel hate. However if we feel hate then we should not overlook these feelings like so many people do, trying to be all-loving and all-forgiving, when really they are seething with hatred repressed within them.
If you feel hated that is your feeling and so it needs to be fully accepted, and expressed; and if no longer feel it, then you no longer feel it. And if you then feel love and forgiveness then that's what you feel. However to use your mind to override your hatred by trying to be loving and forgiving is not going to do yourself or anyone else any good. It's pretentious and false.
To me Jesus gave us the ideal - the perfect, as he was perfect, so how we too will be perfect when we've healed all our wrongness. But to try and jump over and not address ones wrongness is only going to cause you more pain.
zuimon
Luke 14 KJV
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Comments?
FlyersFan
The most important sentence in the Bible is whichever sentence speaks to you that day.
Jesus said to love God and neighbor. For me, that's the sentence that is usually most important.
Today the OP posted a sentence about how we have to hate everyone and our own life to be a follower of God.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
zuimon
bobs_uruncle
So, I guess I am good to go, I am not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally ;-) However, the scripture is a contradiction in a sense, you can't be my disciple/follower unless you hate everyone, but preach love and forgiveness, WTF?
Cheers - Dave
zuimon
Exactly! It means that sure, we are to love and forgive, that coming naturally if we don't feel hate. However if we feel hate then we should not overlook these feelings like so many people do, trying to be all-loving and all-forgiving, when really they are seething with hatred repressed within them.
If you feel hated that is your feeling and so it needs to be fully accepted, and expressed; and if no longer feel it, then you no longer feel it. And if you then feel love and forgiveness then that's what you feel. However to use your mind to override your hatred by trying to be loving and forgiving is not going to do yourself or anyone else any good. It's pretentious and false.
To me Jesus gave us the ideal - the perfect, as he was perfect, so how we too will be perfect when we've healed all our wrongness. But to try and jump over and not address ones wrongness is only going to cause you more pain.
LittleByLittle
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
For me it is the love/hate relationship you have due to duality between you and everyone else. People will annoy you with small minded things and sometimes you will go crazy since they cannot see what you can see. But even in that state you still love at least what they will be and the light that can shine in them. The potential of each soul is amazing and I love it even if I can't sometime stand the current state in some beings. . Even Hitler soul is very nice when it is shining with love and unity.
When you are at your highest shining and when I am at my highest shining then we are as parts of ONE single whole.