New Ukraine Government to Citizens – Turn in Your Guns by Friday!

I'm not sure what Nazism has to do with this.
This is not about antisemitism, this is about a NWO where people cannot have guns.

They will force people to stop believing in 'individuality' and do whatever "The Group" does. You cannot think for yourself. Many people are complaining about 'selfishness' and yet, it is The Globalists who wants people to stop being selfish so that can serve the world (which they control) instead of themselves (gaining freedom , being angry, and not allowing themselves to be controlled).

Look at "New Age" by the way and how they tell you to just focus on "Positivity" and "Harmony" - "Anger" is wrong "Disagreement" is wrong, just focus on "what you like" instead and pay no attention to "what you don't like"... the perfect form of brainwashing, self-delusion, emotional and mental control

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing and having your own opinions about things.

Etherguide

TrueAmerican
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Well, what else did you expect from Nazis?

Their unelected government wants to disarm nazi militia they can't control. See the irony?

Heck of a china shop. Since I haven't got any seat time at RAND, I would imagine this to be one of those coup gone wrong like a blind date you'll meet at Helga's House of Pain.

On the strict thread, who would again have thought otherwise? It's best to get those useful idiots disarmed as soon as possible after the power grab... just good business.

AzureSky

TrueAmerican
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Well, what else did you expect from Nazis?

Right on the head
This new puppet government is not going to go far
They got nazi's running the streets assaulting russians and jews
There will be blowback from the civilians.

I hope that you are sarcastic about assaults on jews and russians in Ukraine!

~Lucidity
Change your headline. It's turn in your ILLEGAL guns by Friday. Slight difference there.

NYT headline: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

Ukraine — Gun Facts, Figures and the Law

But, hey...don't let the facts get in the way of your...whatever the hell this is. And watch who you're calling Nazis.

edit on 3/26/2014 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)

Propaganda at it's finest. Great job setting the record straight. And ya the title should be changed or this thread thrown into the HOAX bin.

Ats at its best, waaa they want their guns. Waaa Nazis Nazis waaa...They want ILLEGAL firearms to be handed in and rather than subscribing to the brain washing pigeon hole good vs evil that Western culture puts upon us, don't sound uneducated by simply calling these people Nazis. Nazis were members of the Nazi party, as as far as I'm aware the party in Ukraine is not Nazi party even if consisting of centre right and far right nationalists they are also all heavily pro EU, an ideal not associated generally with the far right in EU. Don't sound like the brain washed masses, don't succumb to Western propaganda and remember who instigated the uprising in Ukraine in the first place.

SecretFace
Ats at its best, waaa they want their guns. Waaa Nazis Nazis waaa...They want ILLEGAL firearms to be handed in and rather than subscribing to the brain washing pigeon hole good vs evil that Western culture puts upon us, don't sound uneducated by simply calling these people Nazis. Nazis were members of the Nazi party, as as far as I'm aware the party in Ukraine is not Nazi party even if consisting of centre right and far right nationalists they are also all heavily pro EU, an ideal not associated generally with the far right in EU. Don't sound like the brain washed masses, don't succumb to Western propaganda and remember who instigated the uprising in Ukraine in the first place.

So why do they put nazi symbologi all over Ukraine, also check out the nazi grafitti over Jewish places.

You see the money has not even arrived from the IMF and already they are pulling strings and wanting to disarm the sheep

Our news stations keep telling us that Russia is about to attack so why on earth would the Ukraine government want everyone to hand in guns if their was an ounce of truth to the propaganda.

The right, the left , homosexuals , Muslims all teamed up and took money from the west to remove the elected government in the Ukraine by force and now they are fighting each other for money and power instead of sticking to plan 'A' and killing 8 millions Russians first just like the blond witch of the Ukraine was caught saying in a leaked conversation.

Blowback has not even started yet and many are fleeing the country and heading to Russia, not the west so does that not tell you something.

The Crimea is allowing anyone from the Ukraine army to return home in peace but over the border in war torn Ukraine they are not letting members of the military who live in the Crimea return home and use passwords at checkpoints like "Kill All Russians" just to rub it in.

Uncle sam is trying to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear and we in Europe would be a lot better off without all these american bases all over our land regardless of what puppet they put on from the EU on the TV that says otherwise

I don't quite understand. What is up with Americans and their guns? Why are guns so important to America that they feel the need to constantly flare up when new gun laws are attempting to make their way through Congress? I'm surprised that America hasn't capitulated yet because from reading this forum alone it's obvious guns mean more to Americans than those poor people who have been murdered in mass shootings across the country. Please, don't give me the 2nd degree on the constitution because I don't care.

I do hope that guy guarding the presidential palace gets to keep his MP44/StG44, I wonder if its fireable and he has ammo for it?
(seen in a recent issue of the blog 'firearm.com')

This is what caught my eye in the story:

Members of Right Sector have not just hunting rifles but also military weapons that were seized from an Interior Ministry arsenal in western Ukraine in the final days of the uprising.

The government isn't trying to seize privately owned weapons, they're trying to get their own weapons back from the people who "borrowed" them.

ProfessorT
I don't quite understand. What is up with Americans and their guns?

ProfessorTPlease, don't give me the 2nd degree on the constitution because I don't care.

You must really be a Professor in real life, you just answered your own question far better than anyone else could have.

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I am Canadian and for me its a freedom issue, I don't understand why innocent people get punished because of a the actions of criminals. I just look to how violent crime increases in areas where guns are taken away. I do not even own any guns but I support in law abiding citizens being able to defend themselves but not to go too off-topic I clearly see Ukraine being torn apart from within and the EU, IMF love nothing more then a destabilized nation to exploit.

Unarmed citizens are much easier to force unwanted changes upon and that's just fact.

ProfessorT
I don't quite understand. What is up with Americans and their guns? Why are guns so important to America that they feel the need to constantly flare up when new gun laws are attempting to make their way through Congress? I'm surprised that America hasn't capitulated yet because from reading this forum alone it's obvious guns mean more to Americans than those poor people who have been murdered in mass shootings across the country. Please, don't give me the 2nd degree on the constitution because I don't care.

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Why ask a question then state you don't want an answer based on the Constitution, which is a big part of why we hold the line so fiercely over it? Basically you're saying "Let me interject my aggressive opinion, throw in the tired assumption that gun owners don't care about murders, frame it as a question, then state I don't care about anyones' answers." Good game Joker, good game.

It's pretty simple though. We DO care about mass murders. We DO care about families and children and all the good things in the world. It's because we care that we don't want to end up victims of another mass murder. Nor do we want to be unable to effectively defend ourselves or fight for our freedom if required. There's plenty of other good reasons too, but you don't sound like the type who want's a rational discussion.


As for the Ukraine - whether the arms be "illegal" by the government's view or not, they should not surrender anything. Regardless of whether their "revolution" was smart or not, there's no guarantee they will have any better luck going forward. Arms fulfill multiple roles from protection to a known leverage in negotiation.

TrueAmerican
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Well, what else did you expect from Nazis?

The Nazis reduced gun control and encouraged guns ownership and training (outside of the Jews of course). Even they knew an armed population is not threat a regime.

kathat

SecretFace
Ats at its best, waaa they want their guns. Waaa Nazis Nazis waaa...They want ILLEGAL firearms to be handed in and rather than subscribing to the brain washing pigeon hole good vs evil that Western culture puts upon us, don't sound uneducated by simply calling these people Nazis. Nazis were members of the Nazi party, as as far as I'm aware the party in Ukraine is not Nazi party even if consisting of centre right and far right nationalists they are also all heavily pro EU, an ideal not associated generally with the far right in EU. Don't sound like the brain washed masses, don't succumb to Western propaganda and remember who instigated the uprising in Ukraine in the first place.

So why do they put nazi symbologi all over Ukraine, also check out the nazi grafitti over Jewish places.

edit on 27-3-2014 by kathat because: (no reason given)

Anybody got an explination as to why a non-nazi party would plaster Nazi symbology over places if they are not nazi's?

kathat
Anybody got an explination as to why a non-nazi party would plaster Nazi symbology over places if they are not nazi's?

Maybe the same reason that so many of the protestor signs during the revolt in the Ukraine were written in English? It's all about the message, it doesn't really matter if someone really did something as long as people think they did. In America it's more common then we would like to admit for someone to paint racial or political slurs on their own property in a bid to gain sympathy. In Metro Detroit alone there have been numerous cases of jews painting swastikas on their synagogues in order to gain sympathy for some cause, black pastors painting racial slurs on their own churches or homes in order to gain sympathy and publicity, a more recent example is the rash of homosexual waitstaff producing receipts with slurs on them. The man who is currently the news anchor at FOX2 Detroit, and who is black, painted the dreaded N-word all over his own home a few years ago and then blamed, and named, neighborhood children knowing full well those kids were innocent, all because he was engaged in a competition for the anchor job and he wanted to drum up some sympathy and publicity, and as mind-boggling as it may seem it worked.

How do we know Right Sector really did it? It could have just as easily been western agents-provocateur.

reply to post by ProfessorT


Did I miss the memo about this thread concerning American policies? Or did you spout off your...Oh...I see what you did!

I applaud your cleverness.

Keep in mind, all the comments made about Russia about this gun confiscation could easily be applied to the USA. Watch and listen over the next few weeks. If Russia (USA) had the best interest of the people in mind, this wouldn't be happening. NOTHING good comes from this historically speaking.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


All I have to say is...

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Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4
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Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."7

Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States.8 The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies.
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www.umd.umich.edu...

Take the time to read that if you are really interested. There are many different global elites, and some want their own form of leftism, while trying to disguise it as "it is the fault of the west"...

Meanwhile the west is also doing something similar to take our rights and freedoms. They are two sides of the same coin.


Now, look at the new move, and legislation introduced by Putin and his thugs.

Putin eyes Russia credit card system after Western sanctions

Moscow (AFP) - President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said Russia should create its own national payment settlement system, in a bid to reduce economic dependence on the West amid the controversy over Moscow's seizure of Crimea.

"In countries such as Japan and China these systems work, and work very well," Putin told lawmakers in televised remarks.

"Initially, they started out solely as national systems limited to their own markets, their own territory, their own population but they are becoming more popular right now."
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news.yahoo.com...

This is how you nationalize a nation while claiming "it's for the common good"...

TrueAmerican
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Well, what else did you expect from Nazis?

Well not this. Nazis were the ones to give the Germans back their guns. Hitler disarmed the Jewish people and then armed the rest of them. If this were the same, Ukraine would be encouraging gun ownership to ethnic-Ukrainians.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Pretty sure that disarming the populace would be a major pre-condition on all those loans Ukraine is after.....We wouldn't want the people of Ukraine turning around and shooting the bankers once they realise they've been f****d, now would we?