CT State Trooper Testimony Suggests 2nd SH Shooter

Sremmos80

nighthawk1954
Their was no mask , the guy in the woods lived there... if you people want to get the best info go to www.ctpost.com... you can get the best info to the public.

So then then the people that saw the man in the mask were just mistaken??
And where did the guy in the woods live? In the woods or one of the surrounding houses?
Not asking for the exact address, just how close was it it to the woods
Also there were more then just one man in the woods, do you know the story for all of them?

Last post look at the new story...half of the News papers were crap... I think their is alink to CT> state troopers to get more info
Good night all.

nighthawk1954
reply to post by Sremmos80

 

Member as he SHTF their was all crazy stories... most by MSM.... sorry I am beat with out a job ..starting a new one...But I am sorry people have to beat Newtown to death with out doing any real research .

Yeah people don't like to talk about it....would you if you lost your 6 or 7 year old kid!


I think not!

So you are dodging the question, deal
Where did the 2 survivors get the man in a mask description?
And you seem to have no problem talking about it, you comment on almost every thread that involves SH.....
Also i am quoting the official report, how is that not real research?

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Thanks for your input nighthawk, but this thread is based on the assumption that the shootings took place. Maybe you should read a little more closely.

I'm sorry for your loss and for the loss of that entire town.

Terrible tragedy.

We all believe you that this event happened and nobody here is questioning that fact.

nighthawk1954
reply to post by Sremmos80

 

Member as he SHTF their was all crazy stories... most by MSM.... sorry I am beat with out a job ..starting a new one...But I am sorry people have to beat Newtown to death with out doing any real research .

Actually, the assertion about the mask did not come from crazy stories on MSM. If you read the OP you will see that it comes directly from a witness who was shot in the leg via the testimony of a Connecticut State Trooper.

And yes, I have children, one of which is the exact same age as many of the young victims of this tragedy.

Does anyone knowhow I can make a thread? Sorry for asking here.

reply to post by deeezbeats


You need to go to the intro fourms and create your intro thread, just a simple intro to who you are.
After you get 20 post, that you can see in that box next to your post, you will be able to create a new thread

nighthawk1954
Sorry but Blah Blah Blah ..I had friends that were first responders their...some of the still can't work for what they had seen ... two of my friends lost their kids and another lost his wife....Dude their was one shooter... I know all the inside stuff.... here again I have been attacked that it never happened... The Mod's here have backed me up.


Just leave it alone!

What is done is done!

As I have told people on this site... come to my town..I will show the graves to the funerals I have been to AND talk to some of the people.... but then this is ATS and NOBODY had the you know what to contact me.

Here again leave it ALONE!
You know nothing!

halbig a trained investigator would like to do just that
you might meet him and show him around
fill him in on who the incidence commanders name is
or better yet fill us in on his name....he must be proud of his roll ...no need to hide...
except maybe from a civil suit that would bring the facts to life as halbig wishes to do
that would end the debate wouldn't it

reply to post by Sremmos80


Thanks

I usually tend to lean towards believing the accounts of regular civilians, of course when these accounts align. And not only are there multiple civilian accounts that point to the idea of multiple gunmen, there is other evidence as well, as you've presented. It just seems very strange, the evidence found at the scene I mean, if there was only a single perpetrator. And to my knowledge these discrepancies have not been answered, much less answered satisfactorily, therefore how can one simply conclude that this evidence is just a "fluke," or just something that need not be explained?

Speculation of course is one thing, while simply pointing out inconsistencies that one sees is totally different. So instead of offering explanations, I will ask "where are the explanations?"

[I would again like to request that we stay on topic. We are not discussing ATS policy on discussions of Sandy Hook.

Does anyone have any comments on the specific items posted in the OP?

the two go hand and hand.
IF there was a second shooter, the governments story collapses into not only a lie, but a conspiracy.
I support that it was a real shooting. for the simple fact it would be easier to carry out, and easier to keep secret in the long run, then staging one.
crime scene description does not match single shooter scenario. multiple car doors open. multiple clothes. reports of additional suspects. more weapons and ammo then one person could carry. government sealing coroner reports. crazy man on a suicide mission bothers to wear a mask? these do not support the governments version of events. and if the gov version is not true, then they must be involved.
Questions:
Lanza supposedly carries an AR with dozens of mags, even though I have linked videos on this site before that appear to show it being removed from the car later that night. (no not the shotgun, the OTHER gun they took out.) According to the police officer, L had a pistol strapped to his side. But there was another pistol near his head? Where exactly was he carrying that? Where was that holster? What calibers were they? Were there ammo boxes found for all these calibers? And where were the mags for the holstered gun? And the mags for the suicide gun? Awful lot of ordinance. Would take some complicated logistics to do all that. Could it be done? Sure. But the devil is in the details. And if those details aren't perfect, the single shooter story goes out the window. And how about Lanzas wound? Was he right handed? There should be powder burns and a hole on the right side of his head, but shouldn't the left side the LEO saw been blown apart? Those wounds need to be right for the single shooter story. Now, where are those crime scene photos showing Lanzas body that could clear this up? oh, but those are being censored too aren't they..........

before i read the whole thread....i'd like to say thank you.

someone wants to have an intelligent, adult conversation about this, and that is refreshing...

that said, it's been suggested many times there there was more than one shooter. there is plenty of evidence to support it...with that in mind, if they haven't shown up yet, please prepare yourself for the inevitable arrival of the trolls, shills, and agitators, that will do and say anything they can to derail this thread, and get it shut down...i'd also prepare myself for the strong possibility that this thread will get a one-way ticket to the "L-O-L" forum, as that seems to be where these threads always end up, if they don't just get closed, or 404'ed

i'm gonna go read the thread now, and hopefully have something constructive to add when i'm done.

The running in the woods was at 12:20 (plus/minus 20 minutes).
See here my Shadow Analysis

zazen

nighthawk1954
reply to post by Sremmos80

 

Member as he SHTF their was all crazy stories... most by MSM.... sorry I am beat with out a job ..starting a new one...But I am sorry people have to beat Newtown to death with out doing any real research .

Actually, the assertion about the mask did not come from crazy stories on MSM. If you read the OP you will see that it comes directly from a witness who was shot in the leg via the testimony of a Connecticut State Trooper.

And yes, I have children, one of which is the exact same age as many of the young victims of this tragedy.

Nighthawk does have a point about news media, they operate with by far too much licence and not to the point of deception, but way past it. They did on 9/11 in bucketloads, Iran, Iraq, Eygypt, Syria...it just goes on and on without censure. They also did it about Sandy Hook, CNN's false aerial pictures of police running, and taken from an exercise elsewhere. On the other hand, there are police radio tapes of having some guy 'proned out' they are not false, I think they were obtained by FOI by Reuters. This where the dangers can lie, I have seen stories where both those examples were grouped together to make a flowing story as if. Two examples then, one true, one false used to make a media fiction. Once you know what goes on, you know then there is a need for a standard, and in so many cases the internet loses in the standard department, however it has many winners in detecting the shallowness of the mainstream media with their encumbent humbug, and all done by observant obscure individuals. So who was the guy 'proned out' ? was it the man in the woods, it's not clear on the police tapes, although it is pretty clear that the man in the woods was detained, he does have a name, and I have seen it being given, but no way would I give it as Kosher, nor would I give it here but it may appear in the police report, I don't know, I haven't seen a police report.

signalfire
Well, either Nancy Lanza completely missed the signs that her son was going round the bend with constant violent video games, OCD spreadsheets of every mass shooting ever, not talking to her except via email, with the blacked out windows, etc, all the while buying and maintaining an extensive arsenal of weapons in her house, or it was all a setup including the house pictures to make Adam Lanza into the perfect patsy for a government 'grab your guns' psyop. Oh, and let's not forget that apparently Peter Lanza has several aliases, worked for GE and may very well have CIA ties.

with respect.....those are NOT signs that one is "going round the bend"

i play violent video games...because they sometimes have very good stories..

the spreadsheet is a bit odd, but obviously researching these shootings was a hobby, kinda like how coming here, and discussing theories is our hobby. it's funny...if you research this stuff on your own, you're a nutter, and dangerous, but if you research it in groups, it's ok...

i cover, or "black out" my windows, because i don't like the glare from the windows on my TV screen when i'm trying to play or watch something. plus, i don't want direct sunlight fading my stuff..

i have never killed anyone, nor do i have any desire to kill anyone...

the guy had issues...the email thing is really the only thing i would classify as genuinely "strange". on the one hand, it could be argued that he, in fact, did NOT really like his mother, but there's nothing to indicate that....it could be that he really was THAT antisocial....sad, but not dangerous.....in addition to that, now that i think on it, if he were so antisocial that he can't even talk to his mom in the same house, why in the hell would he leave the safety of the house to go kill people in the first place? doesn't seem to add up....

Why is there never any public debate about the mental health profession, the highly dangerous drugs they hand out like candy without proper supervision or even notifying their patient's parents about the possible side effects, and how these drugs seem to be tied in with all these mass killings?

Why is every shooter portrayed as a weird guy with buggy eyes? Why don't any females taking these drugs crack like this and start shooting?

And finally, how in the world do those affected by a tragedy of this magnitude start the very next day asking for money? The funerals were donated, and this is a town where everybody can afford half million dollar houses, at the very least. The people in Detroit who are losing children every day to gun violence don't get millions in donations.

Just to be clear, I believe the murders took place. I just don't think that we've been told the whole truth about how. The guy in the woods, the reports of 'two shadows running past the window' and the way Adam Lanza 'committed suicide' don't pass the smell test.

the rest of this, i agree with....the instances of females losing their s**t, and doing violence, while on these drugs is absolutely less common, but not non-existent...

Snohomish County, Washington – October 24, 2011: A 15-year-old girl went to Snohomish High School where police alleged that she stabbed a girl as many as 25 times just before the start of school, and then stabbed another girl who tried to help her injured friend. Prior to the attack the girl had been taking “medication” and seeing a psychiatrist. Court documents said the girl was being treated for depression.

Texas – November 7, 2007: 17-year-old Felicia McMillan returned to her former Robert E. Lee High School campus and stabbed a male student and wounded the principle with a knife. McMillan had been on drugs for depression, and had just taken them the night before the incident.

Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

Winnetka, Illinois – 20 May 1988: 30-year-old Laurie Wasserman Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods School in Winnetka, Illinois carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing an eight-year-old boy, and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself. Dann had been seeing a psychiatrist and subsequent blood tests revealed that at the time of the killings, she was taking the antidepressant Anafranil.

quoted data is from here

the last one is worth noting, if for no other reason than it's very similar to what we're seeing with sandy hook, in that an adult walked into a school, killed children, and then herself. i don't remember people flipping their s**t when that happened....things really only went completely bananas after columbine.....why is that? the friggin' media....

worthless corporate whores, feeding off the pain and misery of others, to bump up ad revenue, and create a climate of fear....

why doesn't anyone talk about Winnetka? where was the non-stop corporate-whore media coverage then? where was the "guns are bad, we should start outlawing them" B.S. then? it wasn't there, because at that point in time, people still had a little more sense, and decency than now....

and why should the way in which "the shooter" checked out pass the smell test? there's some evidence to suggest that he was executed.....

it was initially reported that he had put the gun to his head, and killed himself...this meshes with the trooper testimony in the OP...then it was said, i believe by the M.E. that lanza had put the gun to the back of his own head....which would account for the jam, if he'd "limp-wristed" it...because let's face it, if you're holding a gun to the back of your own head, how can you NOT?....then the official report from the M.E. states that he died from an intraoral GSW....in layman's terms, he ate his gun...but that doesn't mesh with the trooper's testimony, nor is it consistent with the hair caught in the front sight of the gun...so yeah, it's not adding up either...

i personally believe there is something to the theory that there was was more than one shooter, lanza was befriended by this person, inspired and steered by this person to participate in this event, and then was executed by this person, mid-event, to serve as the required "lone nut gunman" for the event template, and either escaped, or was captured, and let go, because he was protected...i'll leave you to decide for yourself what that might imply...

deadcalm

Official releases of a incident sometimes lack closure for some people

reply to post by the2ofusr1

 

Questioning Sandy Hook hurts the parents of the kids who died.

The families have the closure they need.

Everything has already been proven. No second shooter. The Police have already stated this. It's in the official report.

To suggest that the police would lie about Sandy Hook is a Ludicrous Online Lie....and ATS will treat it as such.

the warren report states clearly that oswald acted alone, despite the huge amount of evidence to the contrary...people still question the kennedy assassination, because the warren report was an inconsistent joke..would you say that all threads about THAT event should be dumped to the LOL forum as well?

just because an "official report" is issued, does not necessarily mean that it's correct, complete, or 100% factual. again, i mention the warren report, and the official 911 report, and the official report on OKC, or the official report on aurora....they ALL have a lot of inconsistencies...if they accurately accounted for what happened, there wouldn't be any...

there are inconsistencies in the official sandy hook report, we're asking questions, deal with it.

deadcalm

ETA question ...would they be hurt any less or more if they found out there was a second shooter

reply to post by the2ofusr1

 

I have no idea what they would think.

But if there was a second shooter....then that would raise serious questions about the integrity of the entire investigation. All kinds of other questions would be raised....a veritable Pandora's box.

Where is that shooter now?

Why was he let go?

If he is still in custody...why don't we know it?

Who was the second shooter?

Why did the police "cover it up"?

Can we trust the police to have told us the whole story?

If they lied to us about that...what else is there?

See what I mean??


ATS will not tolerate that...I hear the LOL bin calling.

so we should abandon logic and common sense?

if there was a second shooter, and he/she was covered up, WHY SHOULDN'T those other questions be asked? that is a perfectly logical progression..

do you have something against logic and common sense?

zazen
I appreciate the interest and commentary so far. Thanks for participating.

I would again like to request that we stay on topic. We are not discussing ATS policy on discussions of Sandy Hook.

Does anyone have any comments on the specific items posted in the OP?

For example:

- Why, according to the state trooper, did the surviving victim describe the gunman as someone other than Lanza, whose body the trooper had just seen in a nearby room? [see highlighted portion of testimony]

- Why would Adam Lanza open all the doors of the black Honda and leave TWO jackets on the ground next to it?

edit on 25-3-2014 by zazen because: (no reason given)

well, the obvious answer to the question is that either lanza was wearing a mask, and removed it before offing himself, OR the one in the mask wasn't lanza....

as to the sweatshirts, it could be, and i think this is more likely, they were worn by people...probably to cover up any gear they may have been wearing, so as not to attract attention on the way over to the school, then they were removed, and the shooters went to work...

it's also been suggested that they could have been used to wrap up the guns...also a valid theory, but more unlikely..to me, at least...

the weapons could have been loaded in to the car via the garage...what point would be served by wrapping them up in garments? he allegedly went from his house to the school...it's not as if he stopped at walmart for ammo, and would have needed to be worried about someone seeing the guns....

deadcalm
Let's assume for the moment that the facts DO support the second gunman theory OP....what then?

How is that significant considering the police have already stated that there was no second gunman and that Lanza acted alone?

are you serious? are you HONESTLY saying that you can't work out how the existence of a second participant in this event would be significant?

NOBODY is that stupid.

you know the answer, you stated as much in a previous post of yours....now you're just being deliberately antagonistic, and intellectually dishonest...could you please stop that?

How do you explain this contradiction?

the answer to this is also very simple, you already know it, and you're deliberately trying to stir people into making comments that violate T&C.

Maybe he was cold?

seriously?

Maybe the doors were open so he could get his body armour and his arsenal out..?

possibly. it could be that he geared up, and just was like "screw the doors, i'ma be dead soon anyway"..or it could indicate that he wasn't alone in the car..either idea is plausible.

Surely this was explained somewhere in the official investigation report...wasn't it?

actually, i don't believe it was...

Here we go. Found a quote from the official report regarding the gunshot wound to Adam Lanza's head:

"A black colored "Flexfit" canvas "boonie-styled" hat was located on the floor northeast of the suspect. This hat was seized as Exhibit #21. This hat had blood-like stains, hairs and a hole consistent with a bullet hole in the forward portion of the top of the hat. This hole was consistent with having been worn by the shooter at the time the shooter received a bullet to the right rear lower portion of his head which exited out the top forward portion of his head and hat."

So Adam Lanza shot himself in the back of the head? Seems like a strange choice.

Just to get a sense of it, make your hand into a "pistol shape" and position it so that the barrel is at the "rear lower portion" of your head, tilted upward so that the bullet exits the "top forward portion" of your head.

zazen
I can't explain the contradictions. I can only point them out and wonder.

Here's a quote from a Newtown Bee article from January 2013:

A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source.

article

And here's a post from ATS member Helious following the release of the summary of the official report:

I also find the fact that the person who was reported to be an armed tactical officer from a neighboring town is now just "new reporters" that were chased down in the woods. Who were the reporters? How did they come to be there, what did they record before running from police? Why would anyone run from police in this instance and have to be chased down and proned out?

Has anyone found this armed tactical officer in the woods mentioned in the official report?

this one's a real oddball...first he was a cop from another town, then he was a journalist, then he was just some random guy who had received a text message that something was happening at the school...so it kept changing....which is it?

this person has no name, and they can't even get straight what he is, and he was able to magically arrive there, BEFORE police, just in time to get chased?....this is assuming, of course, that this person even actually exists...

if you ask me, that individual (if they do exist) is the most likely candidate for being your theoretical second participant...