Creationists Demand Airtime On 'Cosmos' For The Sake Of Balance

reply to post by LiberLegit


no body is bashing religion man.. We are discussing creationism the theory not religion. You are the one that brought religion in.

reply to post by LiberLegit


From your source:

These kinds of attacks are something that I think we are going to see more of from the secular, atheist crowd. There is a desperation at work here that makes sense when you put yourself in their shoes. Variety is obviously angry that Christianity is making a serious comeback in popular culture. For decades, these evangelical atheists have believed science was on their side and that by now science would in some way disprove the idea of God.

The complete opposite has happened, though. And that has revealed that it is not really science that many of these leftists respect and believe in. Rather, it is the convenient use of science to attack Christianity and to further their own political cause. For example, as Global Warming models slowly collapse, those who claim to be pro-science are looking more and more like religious freaks every day.

The highlights above? I'm not angry, nor desperate, nor an atheist.
And the church is not growing, it is losing members like crazy....but I am a fan of Pope Francis, actually!! And I'm not Catholic, nor am I religious.

Not that you truly care; just wanted to defend myself.

This is nothing more than a desperate cry for attention by those who are effected by the entropy of the universe and whose time has come and gone. The sad part about this is that all of the people who are wanting to have creationism taught, or shown, why do they not do the most American thing that they can, and that is make a TV show or movie and put it out there and let the public decide on which they prefer to view? How about a bit of competition for the ideas and minds of people, rather than demanding that a show make accomidation for them?

Are they afraid that the general public will not prefer their message, or that just maybe they got the message wrong?

Carl Sagen, did many things, and one of the main things he did do, was he looked at all of the beliefs on earth. And of those beliefs, the one he quoted and is known to have used came from the Hindu's, and the quote is as follows:

The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths.
It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Excellent contribution.

So, then, who is it who's desperate?
The Creationists? Or the Science-followers? (See the post a bit above yours for the opposite view of the nature of the so-called desperation).

I just want to know as much as I can before I die, and I actually believe we won't ever know as human beings.

It's all mixed in together, and a reflection of our society. Competing for ad dollars, for religious tithes, for votes....

it's kind of sickening really.

I'm pretty sure I saw NDT's response to all this "equal" "balance" crap.

Yep, here it is!

Neil's Reponse

LiberLegit
Oh look, another anti-religion echo-chamber thread for militant atheists to circle-jerk in. If any of you actually watched the show instead of just spewing Degrasse Tyson memes on your favorite subreddit you would see that the show started out not about science, but by trashing religion in particular the Catholic church. Nobody asked for that, the show Cosomos brought in religion ITSELF - and the funny part is they weren't even factually correct!

Science Mag: 'Cosmos' Attack on Church gets History Wrong

I don't have a problem with hard science, I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with propaganda and falsification. The people with "closed minds" are those who can't even accept the fact that others think differently than them, aka most of the people in this thread - surrounding themselves with some false air of superiority because they don't mind insulting those who believe in a deity.

Well . . . What was said about Bruno was true, as well as what was said of his treatment by the Catholic Church.

And right off the bat, the Discover blog is wrong. Nicolas of Cusa was not the first to propose an "infinite universe" and the theory of many worlds . . . the Greeks thought such in the 4th century B.C.E. The greeks, like Aristarchus, were also the first to figure out that we lived in a Heliocentric system, the circumference of the earth (meaning it's round), and the distance to moon, sun, and other planets. Hundreds of years before the renaissance and enlightenment, and before Copernicus, the Greeks had it right.

The reason it took over 1k years to make it to lay people . . . you guessed it . . . the idiocy of the Church and it's fanciful dogma.

So, why isn't this blogger upset that NDT didn't site the Greeks instead of Copernicus? Why? Because, he's playing to the science and religion can co-exist crowd. He even says so in his conclusion.

Truth is, the church and it's authority over society for almost 2k years has held us back. And even worse, they kill people as heretics when they dare to explore the natural world.

BOO to those crybabies that can't deal with the truth . . . this includes the "creation science" crowd.

Science is not a democracy. It is a tyranny of evidence . . . If you offer no evidence to support your claims, you get push aside with the rest of the rubbish.

GetHyped
I agree, we should learn about how Zeus created the world and Mt. Olympus for the sake of balance.

sounds like an AWESOME idea to me. i love learning about myths, religions and legends of other peoples. i would be glued to that type of show. it would almost need to be it's own channel at that point lol, but hey if i was able to watch it (no cable, and most programming is not in a language i can understand ), i would be right there to see it. it would be a lot better than the crappy shows supporting bad science anyway.

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I'm pretty sure they do have movies . . . Noah is coming out soon. Then there is that whole Passion of the Christ, Ten Commandments, etc.

Christians, on average, just can't deal with criticism or a questioning mind.

generik

GetHyped
I agree, we should learn about how Zeus created the world and Mt. Olympus for the sake of balance.

sounds like an AWESOME idea to me. i love learning about myths, religions and legends of other peoples. i would be glued to that type of show. it would almost need to be it's own channel at that point lol, but hey if i was able to watch it (no cable, and most programming is not in a language i can understand

), i would be right there to see it. it would be a lot better than the crappy shows supporting bad science anyway.

There are shows like that . . . History Channel and A&E are notorious for biblical programming, as well as shows on mythology and legend.

Sure. They can have airtime on 'Cosmos'. The day the churches allow scientists to have airtime at the pulpit to explain how science works.

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For the benefit of readers who won't click your link:

Neil DeGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium and star of Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey, appeared on CNN’s Reliable Sources Sunday to talk about the show and media treatment of science in general. Tyson spoke of the innate hypocrisy of people rejecting modern science while embracing the very best of scientific discovery “that we so take for granted today,” and without it, “we will just regress back into the cave.”

Stelter referenced his own recent commentary about how the media should not be giving equal time to anti-science views, and asked Tyson what he believes the media’s responsibility on this issue should be. Tyson said the media shouldn’t be in the business of giving “equal time to the flat-earthers.”

“Science is not there for you to cherry-pick. You know, I said this once and it’s gotten a lot of Internet play, I said the good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it. All right? I guess you can decide whether or not to believe in it, but that doesn’t change the reality of an emergent scientific truth.”

Stelter also asked about how Cosmos, a scientific show, will keep viewers entertained. Tyson replied, “The very nature of that question presumes that real science and real entertainment cannot be the same thing unless one compromises to the other.”

Well, at least we have both sides represented here on ATS - a good thing.

reply to post by BuzzyWigs


Here is a link to Stephen Soter's (writer of Cosmos) response to the Discover blog . . . I think it's right on.

Soter defends Bruno

Bruno’s originality lay elsewhere. He was indisputably the first person to grasp that the Sun is a star and the stars are other suns with their own planets. That is arguably the greatest idea in the history of astronomy. Before Bruno, none of the other Copernicans ever imagined it.

Powell suggests that Cosmos should have featured the English astronomer Thomas Digges instead of Bruno. The great contribution of Digges was to realize that the Copernican system allowed the stars to extend out to infinite distances, because they no longer had to make a daily revolution around the Earth. But Digges regarded the stars as “the court of the celestial angels”, not as the suns of other material earths. And that was a big step backward. In contrast, Bruno wrote, “the composition of our own star and world is the same as that of as many other stars and worlds as we can see.” His profound intuition had to wait three centuries to be verified by the spectroscope.

solomons path
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I'm pretty sure they do have movies . . . Noah is coming out soon. Then there is that whole Passion of the Christ, Ten Commandments, etc.

Christians, on average, just can't deal with criticism or a questioning mind.

hate to say it but both Noah and the Passion of the Christ, really can't be considered religious since they seem to go way off from the bible, sorry. in fact many people consider those movies to actually be anti religious because of that. ten commandments wasn't too bad tho but what do you expect it was made in a time where religion was more respected in Hollywood.

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Ummm . . . P of C was a huge hit with christians . . . It grossed over 600 mil and I don't think it was the god-hating atheists who were buying tickets.

Merchandising brought in another few hundred million.

I know the Catholics were questioning the non-biblical sourcing of some of the events, but in AZ the christ lovers were drooling over seeing JC all bloodied up.

solomons path

generik

GetHyped
I agree, we should learn about how Zeus created the world and Mt. Olympus for the sake of balance.

sounds like an AWESOME idea to me. i love learning about myths, religions and legends of other peoples. i would be glued to that type of show. it would almost need to be it's own channel at that point lol, but hey if i was able to watch it (no cable, and most programming is not in a language i can understand

), i would be right there to see it. it would be a lot better than the crappy shows supporting bad science anyway.

There are shows like that . . . History Channel and A&E are notorious for biblical programming, as well as shows on mythology and legend.

wish i could watch them, but since they aren't aired where i am, and most shows are blocked for anybody not in the country they are made in to see i can't. stupid intellectual property and copy-write BS.

LiberLegit
Oh look, another anti-religion echo-chamber thread for militant atheists to circle-jerk in. If any of you actually watched the show instead of just spewing Degrasse Tyson memes on your favorite subreddit you would see that the show started out not about science, but by trashing religion in particular the Catholic church. Nobody asked for that, the show Cosomos brought in religion ITSELF - and the funny part is they weren't even factually correct!

Science Mag: 'Cosmos' Attack on Church gets History Wrong

I don't have a problem with hard science, I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with propaganda and falsification. The people with "closed minds" are those who can't even accept the fact that others think differently than them, aka most of the people in this thread - surrounding themselves with some false air of superiority because they don't mind insulting those who believe in a deity.

I read your link there.. They say we are angry because science hasn't proved god doesnt exist yet.... Thats funny because an athiest doesnt care if god exists or not because we simply dont believe.

Also your article did not have proof tjat god existed other then shared belief.



So according to you athiests are second rate citizens and are not aloud free speach thats only aloud for Religious folk.

Remember christians greatly out number us in big picture, you dont see us getting all pissy about your religous propaganda shows on tv.. We just change the channel.

The fact that you attacked us on the thread and Ham is complaining about Cosmos Proves that Christianity is scared, not us. Everything was calm until you started acting like an internet tough guy. lol

BuzzyWigs
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Oh look, another anti-religion echo-chamber thread for militant atheists to circle-jerk in.

Wait hang on a minute....
I'm not a militant atheist, and I find the term 'circle-jerk' to be offensive.

So - do you think that Creationists should be given airtime on Cosmos?
You seem upset.

No I don't, the show Cosmos should be about scientists widely interpreted view of our universe - creationism has no part in that. What i'm trying to say is that the show brought religion in itself, and did so incorrectly, but no one seems to have a problem with that. The thread slowly devolves into religion bashing, for some reason Christianity takes the brunt of it even when most religions have just as outdated and ridiculous theories as well - it's annoying. I feel like I have to say something because ATS is plagued by it, people who think they know better than others because they practice the ability to insult other's views on religion.

reply to post by LiberLegit


creationism is a christian theory is it not?

reply to post by BuzzyWigs


Personally, I wouldn't want to advertise the absurdity of my theory by presenting it in such blatant and overwhelming contrast to scientific material. Out of curiosity, are they interested in including creationist accounts from all the world religions, or just the Abrahamic ones? Because if equality is really what they care about, they won't stop until every creationist account in history has been covered.

reply to post by LiberLegit

No I don't, the show Cosmos should be about scientists widely interpreted view of our universe - creationism has no part in that. What i'm trying to say is that the show brought religion in itself, and did so incorrectly, but no one seems to have a problem with that.

Well, thank you for clearing that up. You came in like a tasmanian devil!

Perhaps it was Hamm (sp?) and Bill Nye's debate that added a few chunks to the fire - OR, perhaps it was merely a 'stunt' - another stunt, like maybe the missing plane - to keep us occupied with arguing amongst ourselves.

Honestly, I think Pope Francis is the awesomest spokesperson for religion in a very long time (aside from the already very esteemed Dalai Lama)....

but it is weird timing, isn't it? New Pope. Atheist 'churches'. Ham v Nye. Noah the Movie. And everyone is all in a froth about all of it, and meanwhile ignoring the real problems this country has. (Which I won't enumerate here - off topic).

SURREAL. ( Again. That word. I call dibs on a thread for sharing SURREAL experiences!)