President Obama: No US "military excursion" in Ukraine

Obama: No US ‘military excursion’ in Ukraine

President Obama said Wednesday that the U.S. military would not take military action in Ukraine against Russia.

"We are not going to be getting into a military excursion in Ukraine,” Obama said in an interview Wednesday with KNSD, the NBC affiliate in San Diego.

"I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge, for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine, either,” Obama said. The White House has said that it is focused on providing economic aid to Ukraine and enacting sanctions against Russia.

But it has not provided military aid requested by the Ukrainian government beyond military rations. Russian President Vladimir Putin this week signed a treaty that annexed Crimea as part of Russia, a move that was condemned by the United States and the West.

The Obama administration issued sanctions against 11 individuals from Russia and Ukraine on Monday in response to Russia’s military intervention, and Obama has indicated that further sanctions could be on the way. “What we are going to be do is mobilize all of our diplomatic resources to make sure that we've got a strong international coalition that sends a strong message,” Obama said Wednesday.

I'm not sure if President Obama remembers the agreement between the US, UK and Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum in 1994. I'm not saying the US and UK should get involved now but later down the line we don't know how far this crisis will go. At the moment Russia is in control and dictating the escalation.

What does everyone think about this? Good? Bad? Is President Obama playing into Vladimir Putin's hands?

Excerpt from Budapest Memorandum 1994

"Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State, Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time, Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the cold war, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces,

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine;

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind;

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used;

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclearweapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State;

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments. This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature. Signed in four copies having equal validity in the Ukrainian, English and Russian languages.

For Ukraine: (Signed) Leonid D. KUCHMA

For the Russian Federation: (Signed) Boris N. YELTSIN

For the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland: (Signed) John MAJOR

For the United States of America: (Signed) William J. CLINTON

So just the usual shadow dirty plays then.

This is exactly what Putin did, used the same tactics back at obama mocking him.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Getting into an "excursion" with the Russians might prove to be deadly.

Well it wouldnt be the first time President Obama has said one thing and done the exact opposite would it.

So to summarize; we will not overtly interfere in the russo/ ukranian conflict but we will d@mn well make Putins (read Crimeans) life as miserable as possible.

And the sanctions stand. This is just as well. We don't need another war of choice. Let them work it out without any other nations' troops there. That would not be a good thing. However, if Putin makes a move on the rest of Ukraine or another country....

So now does this make Obama more or less of a manly man like Putin in the GOP's eyes? I've lost track. Weird world.

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Mr. Opposite Speaks Again...............


Meaning.........

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Well it's good the US will give them financial aid so they can pay their gas bill .I wonder if that will be in gold or some BRIC currency ...time will tell ....peace

Many europeans countries do not want to use any sanctions against russia thou, they are much need for russian natural gas and what else too, if they would strike against russia with obama they would suffer in the long run quite bad and given that european economic is already quite unstable, im thinking these sanctions and global diplomatic strike against russia will be in reality quite smooth for russia. Just my toughts thou, maybe america will become european countries sugar daddy like its for israel etc.. In finland one minister spoke that business will continue as before that we wont be pushd in the corner with all these demands, even we are in european union, this very same minister have been huge supporter for global agenda, guest in bilderberger meatings and criminal as many other politicians but hes statement was quite revieling how they think about sanctions against russia thou.

Also even i dont agree with all this war and alike games when its the ppl who suffer the most, i think this whole event is huge strike against global elitist who is waging wars in midd east, this will open many ppls minds how this world is been run, ppl start understant much more deeper and be more awake with every country that is been attack and will be next ones in the list. Maybe even so much that ppl stop looking the picture from one side, maybe ppls mind gets expanded finally for bigger picture and that is atleast in my mind a hope beacon for humanity!

reply to post by ProfessorT


The Budapest agreement that you cited does not have any military guarantee included in it. It's a political agreement and not a military agreement.

In the U.S. neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, nor did they believe the U.S. Senate would ratify an international treaty, so the memorandum was agreed as a political agreement.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.cnn.com...

The "treaty" is basically a memorandum on what nuclear weapon holding countries would refrain from doing against Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine getting rid of their nuclear stockpile.

The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

www.cfr.org...

That's what is supposed to be done in the event of an act of aggression by one of the signing parties. It's left to the UN Security Council to assist Ukraine and whether what's going on applies, I'm not even sure, because of the words "in which nuclear weapons are used".

So we're not obligated to use military action as per the Budapest Memorandum. Any action should be through the UN Security Council, of which we are a member of, because Russia has likely violated #1 in the memorandum.

romilo
Many europeans countries do not want to use any sanctions against russia thou, they are much need for russian natural gas and what else too, if they would strike against russia with obama they would suffer in the long run quite bad and given that european economic is already quite unstable, im thinking these sanctions and global diplomatic strike against russia will be in reality quite smooth for russia. Just my toughts thou, maybe america will become european countries sugar daddy like its for israel etc.. In finland one minister spoke that business will continue as before that we wont be pushd in the corner with all these demands, even we are in european union, this very same minister have been huge supporter for global agenda, guest in bilderberger meatings and criminal as many other politicians but hes statement was quite revieling how they think about sanctions against russia thou.

Also even i dont agree with all this war and alike games when its the ppl who suffer the most, i think this whole event is huge strike against global elitist who is waging wars in midd east, this will open many ppls minds how this world is been run, ppl start understant much more deeper and be more awake with every country that is been attack and will be next ones in the list. Maybe even so much that ppl stop looking the picture from one side, maybe ppls mind gets expanded finally for bigger picture and that is atleast in my mind a hope beacon for humanity!

Russia has not attacked or threatened to attack European countries.

If you want NATO in your backyard and the missile shield that comes with it, expect Russia to program in coordinates to their nukes for your country. Your call.

I am not saying U.S should interfer here like they do in so many other places, but why are people so terrified of picking up a gun and defending themselves against Russia.

I know Russia have a much larger force than Ukraine, but its almost like they were given Crimea on a plate without any resistance.

Lame

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Hasn't the CFR got Hillary under their wing and she was publically recorded saying "They're working on it". ie.,, trying to get bombing Iran.

Please do not encourage the CFR.

WhiteAlice
reply to post by ProfessorT

 

The Budapest agreement that you cited does not have any military guarantee included in it. It's a political agreement and not a military agreement.

In the U.S. neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, nor did they believe the U.S. Senate would ratify an international treaty, so the memorandum was agreed as a political agreement.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.cnn.com...

The "treaty" is basically a memorandum on what nuclear weapon holding countries would refrain from doing against Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine getting rid of their nuclear stockpile.

The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

www.cfr.org...

That's what is supposed to be done in the event of an act of aggression by one of the signing parties. It's left to the UN Security Council to assist Ukraine and whether what's going on applies, I'm not even sure, because of the words "in which nuclear weapons are used".

So we're not obligated to use military action as per the Budapest Memorandum. Any action should be through the UN Security Council, of which we are a member of, because Russia has likely violated #1 in the memorandum.

Quite correct. However, it gives certain security assurances to Ukraine in return for them disposing of their nuclear weapons stockpile which at the time was the third largest in the world. Although this is just a political agreement it does give specific assurances to Ukraine as well as two other countries and they should be adhered to. Otherwise Ukraine should get their nukes back.

bubab

romilo
Many europeans countries do not want to use any sanctions against russia thou, they are much need for russian natural gas and what else too, if they would strike against russia with obama they would suffer in the long run quite bad and given that european economic is already quite unstable, im thinking these sanctions and global diplomatic strike against russia will be in reality quite smooth for russia. Just my toughts thou, maybe america will become european countries sugar daddy like its for israel etc.. In finland one minister spoke that business will continue as before that we wont be pushd in the corner with all these demands, even we are in european union, this very same minister have been huge supporter for global agenda, guest in bilderberger meatings and criminal as many other politicians but hes statement was quite revieling how they think about sanctions against russia thou.

Also even i dont agree with all this war and alike games when its the ppl who suffer the most, i think this whole event is huge strike against global elitist who is waging wars in midd east, this will open many ppls minds how this world is been run, ppl start understant much more deeper and be more awake with every country that is been attack and will be next ones in the list. Maybe even so much that ppl stop looking the picture from one side, maybe ppls mind gets expanded finally for bigger picture and that is atleast in my mind a hope beacon for humanity!

Russia has not attacked or threatened to attack European countries.

If you want NATO in your backyard and the missile shield that comes with it, expect Russia to program in coordinates to their nukes for your country. Your call.

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Where did i say something like that thou? Maybe something got misunderstood becouse of my poor english.. I dont want nothing to do with nato, some politicians want us in nato but luckily many understant its suicide for us to join nato.. Im not 100% sure thou but i think some ppl here play with nato already, send soldiers in different countries to "keep peace" so that other players can rape and steal these countries, atleast in afghanistan they send soldiers, it just little while ago came to puplic knowledge even they try it to hide it..

So let the Svoboda party get their nukes, the world will turn on them in a flash and every Ukranian around the world will have a very unhappy life.

the2ofusr1
Well it's good the US will give them financial aid so they can pay their gas bill .I wonder if that will be in gold or some BRIC currency ...time will tell ....peace

Whatever the "currency", it will go to Russia for the debts.

Which might be the plan in the first place.

Russia benefits from the whole charade.

xuenchen

the2ofusr1
Well it's good the US will give them financial aid so they can pay their gas bill .I wonder if that will be in gold or some BRIC currency ...time will tell ....peace

Whatever the "currency", it will go to Russia for the debts.

Which might be the plan in the first place.

Russia benefits from the whole charade.

So it is bad that a deotor has to pay back their debts now?

bubab
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

Hasn't the CFR got Hillary under their wing and she was publically recorded saying "They're working on it". ie.,, trying to get bombing Iran.

Please do not encourage the CFR.

The CFR's interests are actually more in Asia proper...NK, China, Japan, India. It's the neocons who are gung ho on the Middle East and the surrounding regions. Subltle difference but pretty obvious once you look at all the happenings in the world. Whenever there is an occurrence in neocon-land, something happens in CFR-land (NK "acts up." planes disappear).

bubab

xuenchen

the2ofusr1
Well it's good the US will give them financial aid so they can pay their gas bill .I wonder if that will be in gold or some BRIC currency ...time will tell ....peace

Whatever the "currency", it will go to Russia for the debts.

Which might be the plan in the first place.

Russia benefits from the whole charade.

So it is bad that a deotor has to pay back their debts now?

No it's not bad.

But what prevents the debt from adding up again later?

Debt = Slavery and economic insurrection.

It's happening right now.

Why is there debt in the first place?

Corruption?