Over 123% of Sevastopol residents vote to join Russia!

I am not sure what to think about this.

The vote was rigged.

Just like the decade of Putin.

In real democracies the turn out never reaches above 70% of the population.

I think they say.

neo96
In real democracies the turn out never reaches 70% of the population.

Falkland Islands:

Voter turnout: 91.94% (of 'eligible' voters)
Electorate: 1,650
Population: 2,932

Percent in favour: 99.80%

Questions asked by the Western world: 0

Seems legit

reply to post by SLAYER69


What are you basing that on?

I'd say this info from Maiden should be taken with a giant grain of salt...considering that they overthrew a legally elected government in what can only be called a illegal coup.

reply to post by Xcathdra


So they allowed the paratroopers who dropped in, Blackwater, the neo-Nazis,and the CIA to vote?

Don't know why this made me laugh so hard. Maybe because it's just such a ludicrous yet probably true headline?

deadcalm

Seems legit

reply to post by SLAYER69

 

What are you basing that on?

I'd say this info from Maiden should be taken with a giant grain of salt...considering that they overthrew a legally elected government in what can only be called a illegal coup.

I also linked to the Pravda article talking about the exact same thing. I did that specifically to prevent the "it comes from maiden" argument. As I pointed out to another poster, the voting info comes from Crimean officials.

Xcathdra
I also linked to the Pravda article talking about the exact same thing. I did that specifically to prevent the "it comes from maiden" argument. As I pointed out to another poster, the voting info comes from Crimean officials.

I wouldn't take either side's word on much.

Luckily, we should have the international observers report in a few days.

Edit to add:
I would consider Pravda as part of one side.

~Lucidity
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

So they allowed the paratroopers who dropped in, Blackwater, the neo-Nazis,and the CIA to vote?

Don't know why this made me laugh so hard. Maybe because it's just such a ludicrous yet probably true headline?

Who knows.. Personally I think there is truth to it.

Others don't think there is any truth to it...

Regardless, its an interesting topic that we can all yell at each other about... So I figured, what the hell...

reply to post by Xcathdra


I believe it could be 123%. But I'd rather laugh than yell any day.

The videos of people voting and counting were sorta funny too. Lil glass ballot boxes and check marks on paper stuffed into them.

reply to post by Xcathdra


On the other side of the crimean border, in kiev.

Also i dunno, but the population of a city is calculated by its city limits, its more than logical to assume that there are people who live outside the city limits that travelled there to cast their vote.

Either way, im seeing videos of hundreds of thousands of people young and old celebrating their independence and their intentions to join russia. Who am i to argue with them.

reply to post by AzureSky


Turkey apparently has thrown its hat in the ring. They apparently notified Russia that per an agreement between The Ottoman Empire and Russia back in the 1700's, should Crimea ever become independent, it would revert back to Turkish control.


This is starting to remind me of the movie Spies like us.

reply to post by Xcathdra

I said this last week (in one of my posts somewhere on ATS). By the same logic, fix this mess by just giving it back to Turkey

Where are the Tartar numbers in all this?

reply to post by Xcathdra


Well, Turkey is a NATO country and if the agreement was for Crimea ro revert to Turkey - uh oh...

Some humor -

The Onion - Crimean Voters Excited To Exercise Democracy For Last Time

SIMFEROPOL, UKRAINE—Following yesterday’s referendum in which 97 percent of voters cast ballots in favor of seceding from Ukraine and joining the Russian Federation, Crimean citizens expressed their excitement Monday at participating in the democratic process one final time. “It brought me such great personal joy to head to the polls and, for the last time ever, have my vote tallied and actually mean something,” said local businessman Sergei Petrov of his vote in support of annexation by Russia, echoing the enthusiasm of hundreds of thousands of his fellow Crimeans who proudly took part in their final opportunity to assert their collective will at the ballot box. “Yesterday was a historic day for Crimea. Our people had a say in their future, and our voices were heard loud and clear, which is extremely special given that it won’t happen again for who knows how long.” At press time, Crimeans were commemorating the vote to become Russian citizens by eagerly watching and reading coverage of the momentous event in the limited handful of sanctioned media sources they now have available to them.

AzureSky
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

On the other side of the crimean border, in kiev.

Also i dunno, but the population of a city is calculated by its city limits, .....

I thought population of a city was determined by the number of people residing in it, which last I checked is how Crimea, Ukraine and Russia all determine city size.

LadySkadi
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Well, Turkey is a NATO country and if the agreement was for Crimea ro revert to Turkey - uh oh...

~Lucidity
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I said this last week. By the same logic, fix this mess by just giving it back to Turkey

Where are the Tartar numbers in all this?

edit on 3/17/2014 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)

Turkish media: When Crimea declared independence, it automatically is a member of the Turkey

In the Turkish newspaper Hürriyet reported that if the Autonomous Republic of Crimea declare their independence, it will be in the Turkish administration.

About this ipress.ua informs with a reference to "Espresso TV".

According to the author of the article on the Treaty, which was signed by 230 years ago the Ottoman and Russian empires.

According to the agreement signed by the Russian Empress Catherine the great, April 19, 1783 the Crimean peninsula from the Ottoman Empire in Russia.

"However, one of the most important is the paragraph that stipulates the conditions that the peninsula DOES NOT declare independence, and may not be transferred to a third party. Otherwise the Crimea should automatically be returned under the auspices of Turkey, "says the author.

He noted that in 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the emergence of independent Ukraine, Turkey already had the formal right to reclaim Crimea.

"However, the Government of Turkey, Turgut Özal, then given the geopolitical changes in northern Turkey and the total world market, did not defend that position. Turkey has been limited to only those that demanded the restoration of the rights of Crimean Tatars living in the Crimea in the minority, "quoted from a publication of the Crimean Agency of QHA.

But if Crimea wants to join Russia, he should declare independence from Kiev. "And it is at this point, if you meet all the norms of international law, Turkey can say:" Take control of the Crimea ", concluded the author.

Over 123% of Sevastopol residents vote to join Russia!


60% of the time it works every time.

reply to post by shappy

That is the problem with the western media .They lie and they get caught and then they lie and get caught .I wont even consider their stuff now .They keep saying some of the old lies mixed in with the new ones . same old same old ....

the2ofusr1
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Well as it turned out here the calls were of a Conservative (Harper) source and they were made to Liberal/other none Conservatives telling them they had to vote in the wrong station .

Ya got one of those phone call said due to some problem in town I had to drive the other direction
to go vote been here 30 years first time ever
still went to my regular town and voted

the2ofusr1
reply to post by shappy

 

That is the problem with the western media .They lie and they get caught and then they lie and get caught .I wont even consider their stuff now .They keep saying some of the old lies mixed in with the new ones . same old same old ....

Whats the lie being told and whats your source to counter it?

reply to post by Xcathdra


Why should anyone believe any kind of professional posting you do, when you are on the record on ATS many times accusing Russia of attacking Georgia, when the facts are Georgia attacked minorities first under wink wink from Bush

You can't possibly think it is believable that a man of your informational prowess doesn't know facts on what happened in Georgia.

You want you credibility back.

Apologize for Georgia, admit the truth, and then lets talk Crimea