FACEBOOK rushes to defense of dog that mauled 4-year-old boy...

buster2010
reply to post by chiefsmom

 

You may want to learn a few things about breeds of dogs both the Mastiff and Great Danes are gentle breeds so a offspring of those dogs will be gentle a pitbull however was bred for fighting and killing it's opponent it is a well known violent breed. So well known that many cities have made it illegal to own one.

*sigh*

If my dog bites someone, its my fault not the dog, any breed is dangerous in the hands of an improper owner.

Pit bulls where breed to pull bulls in bull fights not kill.

Its why they have a strong bite, its also why they go for the face, as they have been breed to grab the nose of a bull that has a ring in it.

thats why they love tug a war, its in their nature to bite an animals face and pull.

Owners who don't know this, don't treat the breed properly with that addendum.

Just like an Akita has a strong prey drive (so don't run from that breed) so to does each breed have a specific task they where breed for.


ALSO 17 states have BANNED MUNICIPAL BREED BANS,

AS they tend to be ignorant, and based on histeria rather than the actual stats of dog attacks, as often Pit bull is a catch all for a type of dog, and can include mutiple breeds that fit the shape.

SO when the numbers are analyzed with any real scruitney PIT BULLS are disproportionately accused based on actual incidents that are proven to be pit bulls.

I can give you anecdotal evidence that Pit bulls aren't violent if trained properly, but I am sure most people have their minds made up on the matter.

ANY dog is a danger, Period, if the owner doesn't take responsibility for it, just like a Gun.


ETA:



The dog that changed my mind, I used to fear pit bulls too, thought they should be banned.

Then I denied ignorance and experienced what owning one was like, With the right owner.

Best dog breed to have, Royalty use to use them as baby sitters.

The ignorant have tainted them, and its not their fault.

I have an alligator chained up in my yard and it mauls a child. Do I bear any responsibility?

reply to post by intelligenthoodlum33


IF your dog has the potential to maul ANYONE it is YOUR responsibility to keep your dog under your control at all times. It doesn't matter where the dog is, you are responsible for protecting your dog from such scenarios. ( And the public.)

If that is too much responsibility on the owners shoulders, perhaps a gerbil would be a better choice of pet.

reply to post by nugget1


It seems we are in the age of no personal responsibility for anything.

Its always the Tool, not the hand that wields it isn't it now?

Always the GUN, the Drug, the knife, or the Dog.

No ones willing to just say, ignorant people who don't take responsibility for their actions are at fault.

reply to post by StallionDuck


Excessive dog lovers are sick!

I am not sticking up for the dog, or feeling pity for the kid, but I would like to make the observation that people's attitude toward everything changes when there is a child involved.

I would also like to add that "Mauling" is actually quite a lot worse than that picture indicated.

I know a lot of you have kids and dogs and "opinions", but the world would be so much simpler if you realized your opinion doesn't really matter any more than your religion does to anyone else, which is just another of a myriad of things people's should really keep to themselves....

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww...................................

reply to post by nugget1


I agree 100% You know that, right?

XTexan

intelligenthoodlum33
reply to post by XTexan

 

How about this example?

I have an alligator chained up in my yard and it mauls a child. Do I bear any responsibility?

IF having an alligator chained up in your yard is legal in your jurisdiction, and the child comes onto your property without your knowledge and/or consent then I would say the fault would be on the person who is in charge of the child.

I disagree. Children are ill-behaved, mischievous little imps, and to put your right to own an animal before the welfare of a child doesn't seem very human.

IF I desired to own an alligator, I would certainly do everything in my power to insure the safety of others.

Any dog on a chain has to potential to be MORE aggressive than if they were running loose. To blame a child for being a child is no different than blaming a dog for being a dog.

The child's supervision was lacking, as was the dogs. I think children should have priority over animals, and pet owners need to be held accountable when they don't do everything possible to insure the safety of the public AND their animal.

Large social groups on FB tend to act fairly stupid. Facebook is nothing more than a giant SPAM fest. No one posts anything actually interesting, everyone just "shares" or "likes" factually untrue memes and stupid political cartoons. On occasion I'll see the crappy food someone is uber proud of.

Please don't take a picture of your dinner if you just slopped it onto a plate. Unless it looks like it belongs in a food magazine, I don't care about your hamburger helper you "doctored" up with by adding some additional generic frozen vegetables.

Facebook just shows how strong the groupthink mentality can be. "Oh well if all my other friends "liked" it -- I guess I should too.

The dog should be put down, what is to stop this dog from doing this again?

The dog was chained, where was the adult whose responsibility it was to keep the kid from going into the chain swath of the dog?, since I suppose if the dog was trusted by the adults involved whomever or wherever they were or may have been, was not trusted enough to run free.

This is just another of those cases being discussed between many who really have no idea how freedom works, and that's why it doesn't work here in the U.S., but that is a completely different issue for a completely different thread, maybe a completely different forum from this one, according to what I frequently read here.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


I agree....

I absolutely cannot stand "Assbook".

Cats and dogs know full well that children are off limits they are not stupid animals . My cat swatted at my son once and got a beating she doesn't do it any more cat just takes what ever the kids throw at it why because they are not stupid . No some dog did this to any one of my children dog would be put down right there by myself . I know many people and dogs with kids they all treat kids the same way regardless of taking away their bone or food these are domesticated animals not bears.

Ever cross path of a bear and her cub see how well that works .

nugget1

IF your dog has the potential to maul ANYONE it is YOUR responsibility to keep your dog under your control at all times.

Just like IF you want to be a caregiver of children, it is YOUR responsibility to keep that child(ren) safe by not putting them into a situation where any harm....ANY HARM.... can come to them. Which would include not taking them to a house where there is the potential for an attack from a dog.

It doesn't matter where the dog is, you are responsible for protecting your dog from such scenarios. ( And the public.)

Change the word 'dog' in your statement quoted directly above and insert 'child or children'. Works both ways, no?

If that is too much responsibility on the owners shoulders, perhaps a gerbil would be a better choice of pet.

If that is too much responsibility on the babysitters (or any caregiver) shoulders, perhaps a change in vocation is a better choice.

Even for me as a dog lover this is a very black and white issue. The dog has been improperly raised, every single dog i have ever owned and trained in my life would NEVER bite anyone for touching "their" food or bone. Why? Because i trained my dogs with the mentality that absolutely nothing is owned by them, not one toy not one bone not a dog bowl, Its MINE and i am choosing to allow them to have it and I or anyone else can take it away from them at any given moment. This is the way you train a dog, if you allow them ownership of any single item then they will react aggressively when someone motions to take it from them. If your dog snarls and bares its teeth at you when you approach "their" item then you are #ty dog owner and should not be allowed to own a dog.

The dog should be destroyed.

reply to post by StallionDuck


I really do not get why the dog should be put down. Of course, I feel sorry for the kid, but putting the dog down does not change anything, the kid still got attacked.

There does not need to be a dilemma, who is more important or whom people value more. The fact that the dog attacked the child was an instinct for protecting its bone. Easiest way to get attacked by near to any animal is by trying to take their food/bone, whatever like that. Animals do not think rationally and unless trained well there are just instincts and often the primal instincts come up in situations like that, even for well-trained dogs. This does not mean an animal is a violent, dangerous monster....

I do not understand, why there always needs to be a blame set for something, somebody needs to get punished for situations like that. In this particular case, of course, we could blame the dog, dog owner, nanny, parents,ven the kid, whomever, but as there is no time machine, we can not change the fact that it happened and the kid got attacked. It is impossible to prove who is the most "responsible" for this situation.

In this case, I do not see a reason, what would the euthanisation of the dog give... Rather just focus on getting the kid necessary treatments, than waste time and money on trying to get back at somebody. Sh*t happens sometimes and often there is no one solely responsible for the situation. I do not know about the full history with the dog, maybe there have been incidents like that - if there have been attacks like that before, maybe it truly should be put down for prevention of future attacks, but maybe it was the first time and otherwise it is very peaceful dog. If the latter, you can not blame the animal for being an animal, just like you cant blame a kid being a kid. Just as parents are responsible for raising a kid, so is a dog owner responsible for raising its dog.

reply to post by nugget1


I am hyper aware around my dog and children, NOT for their sake, but for the chance they could pull an ear and trigger something.

My dogs are really good about it as they are all trained and listen exceptionally well, even with that, and their docile nature, I am leery of kids.

I can't count the number of family members children Ive seen twist, pull, mistreat their dogs, I cringe as at the wrong time they could hurt the dog and by instinct lash out at the source of pain, with no thought a childs skin is not as thick as they would a dog doing that to them.

Thats the first start of the problem in this case, the child got to be alone with the dog.

reply to post by StallionDuck

No dog that attacks a human should be allowed to live.

Pitbulls are often very sweet dogs, but are like a loaded gun
without a safety if they have issues.


Anyone who would defend such a dog is a child hater.
Maybe I'm biased, I was bitten as a child.


I don't include police dog if they are responding to commands

reply to post by benrl


People LOVE to show their ignorance on this topic, dont they?

You actually seem reasonable about it. The issue is not specific breeds, its more that education is severely lacking. Which, this thread shows in abundance.

People really have no idea about dogs, but since this applies to most people, most people can also get away with acting like they know what they are talking about.

Like "pit bulls" (not a breed, of course, but a blanket term for several breeds) being bred originally be be "attack dogs" and "protect their owners."

Where do people get information like this, and is it only lapped up by them because it confirms their ignorant bias?

The various breeds that make up "pit bulls" are actually bred to be the exact opposite, or at least that is the standard. They were originally bred to have NO HUMAN AGGRESSION. Period. This was because, at the end of a "round," it was considered absolutely unacceptable for the dog to redirect their aggression, which is an issue with all animals. Whenever the "thug" type gets their hand on a breed, it seems that everyone starts to focus on that breed. It has happened time and time again with various different breeds.

Its funny how people with actual experience with dogs have a vastly different opinion than those who do not... You would think that means something, but I guess off-hand anecdotal evidence that confirms bias trumps actual extended experience. Deny ignorance and all that, eh?

In the end, the "pit bulls" name will eventually be cleared and they will move on to a different breed to demonize (history just repeating itself). Instead of actually addressing the issue itself, which is: An uneducated and ignorant populace on the topics of canines.

Lesson here?

Too many to name... I hope the kid recovers well, and since the dog has shown aggression issues in the past as well, putting them down is an option that is definitely on the table. However, continuing to blame something irrelevant (breed) over those who created a "monster," is what we tend to do with everything. I dont think that will change any time soon.

Retikx
Even for me as a dog lover this is a very black and white issue. The dog has been improperly raised, every single dog i have ever owned and trained in my life would NEVER bite anyone for touching "their" food or bone. Why? Because i trained my dogs with the mentality that absolutely nothing is owned by them, not one toy not one bone not a dog bowl, Its MINE and i am choosing to allow them to have it and I or anyone else can take it away from them at any given moment. This is the way you train a dog, if you allow them ownership of any single item then they will react aggressively when someone motions to take it from them. If your dog snarls and bares its teeth at you when you approach "their" item then you are #ty dog owner and should not be allowed to own a dog.

The dog should be destroyed.

Why should the dog be destroyed? Why not take the dog away to an expert trainer for training?

My feeling is, no matter how well trained a dog is, we must remember it is still an animal. There is no way to 100% GUARANTEE that it will not snap under certain conditions, i.e., it is hungry or tired or sick. That is why I "trained" my child to stay away from any situation with our (or any) dogs that could possibly go wrong. My child was taught to never pull ears or tail, never hit the dog, or sit or jump on the dog, and NEVER try to take away food/bone, etc.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Here is the cold hard truth:

Places like that are already over-running with canines that *dont* have any issues. And many of these dogs get put down.

We simply are not handling the situation of canines responsibly, and it leads to very harsh realities.

reply to post by kaylaluv


In the end its just a dog. And human well being is and will always be placed above a dogs. You can break a dogs bad habits fairly easily, it is nearly impossible to wash away learned aggression. Dont believe everything you see on cesar millan.