I am an Ukranian, and this video must be spread around the world. (video)

Vovin

I told you what Marxism is. You provide Wikipedia as a source, which ends up explaining exactly what I said. Then you added Leninism, which is the workers' revolutionary strategy, and claimed I was wrong after you posted something else entirely from what we were even talking about.

And you did this out of desperation, because you are clearly uneducated and ignorant of facts that don't support the agenda that's been shoved in your head. If you don't know what Marxist theory is, or even the clear difference between Marxism and Leninism, then why persist? Maybe you could understand it if you actually read their work, as opposed to getting your facts from Wikipedia. Until you do that, you are as I said before: nothing but a distraction.

You can claim all you want, I know the facts. I experienced and studied what Marxism is under a Marxist-Leninist dictatorship. I further was able to study in Spain for almost 10 years, and learned the politics and way of life in Europe back in the 80s, and have also studied in the U.S.

You can't lie to me. You are obviously a die-hard follower of Putin, and whatever else you might be, maybe even a disinformation agent working for the Russian government. You claim that Putin wants nothing to do with communism, but even after showing you evidence that he and his government have been conducting a disinformation campaign in Russia, re-writing the murders and other atrocities committed by Stalin and calling him a "necessary evil for the good of the nation".

Even after showing the fact that Putin has said on several occasions that he misses the old days of the U.S.S.R. (COMMUNIST RUSSIA) and he has even stated that the fall of the U.S.S.R. was a "tragedy for Russians". Even after you yourself explained that his supposed "secret thesis" that is not in the public domain he explains that he wants a central government nationalizing all infrastructure, which is what happens under socialism/fascism/communism. You keep making excuses for Putin, and instead continue to try to derail the thread any way you can to the point that now all you can do is throw ad-hominem attacks at me.

You keep trying to make excuses for Putin by insulting me, and even proclaiming that I must be ignorant an uneducated, when you don't know jack about me...

Putin is nothing more than another power hungry moron who wants to use the old tricks he learned and used as a KGB officer during the time of the old U.S.S.R. and wants to apply the communist model(with a few changes here and there to make it appear as if it wasn't the same old communist BS) to not only Russia, but in as many independent nations which used to be in the stranglehold of the Russian empire.

You have used every trick in the book trying to stop this information and trying to preserve the influence of your idol Putin. You don't care for facts, you just care for your obvious pro-Russian disinformation campaign.

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Crimea river

Vovin

Crimea river

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Exactly, nothing to offer as counter-argument except insults and belittling comments.

Who would have thought?... It seems that we have Russian disinformation agents trying to spread propaganda and lies. The U.S. government is not the only one at it...

Vovin
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Crimea river

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That was so funny....

I forgot to laugh !!!

ElectricUniverse

Vovin

Crimea river

edit on 9-4-2014 by Vovin because: (no reason given)

Exactly, nothing to offer as counter-argument except insults and belittling comments.

Who would have thought?... It seems that we have Russian disinformation agents trying to spread propaganda and lies. The U.S. government is not the only one at it...

Well since you've degraded yourself to name calling would you feel satisfied if I called you an idiot?

Vovin

Well since you've degraded yourself to name calling would you feel satisfied if I called you an idiot?

LOL, very interesting... Again since you have no argument at all to reply to you try to get this thread closed by trying to make me insult you... Phew, using reverse psychology now aren't we?

What was/is your University thesis about?... Calling "useful idiots" to the professors at the University you are attending, or attended if they didn't give you a degree?...

Just waits for the next insult...

Meanwhile on the news...

Crimean parliament seized by unknown pro-Russian gunmen

Gunmen storm Crimea's regional administrative complex in Simferopol and hoist Russian flag above parliament building


Harriet Salem in Simferopol, Shaun Walker in Kiev, and Luke Harding


theguardian.com, Thursday 27 February 2014 11.03 EST

Fears of a major regional conflict in Crimea pitting Russia against the west have intensified after unknown pro-Russian gunmen seized the government and parliament building in a well co-ordinated military operation.

According to witnesses, the men dressed in fatigues stormed Crimea's regional administrative complex in Simferopol at 5am on Thursday. They hoisted a Russian flag above the parliament building. About 120 men were holed up inside, armed with heavy weapons including rocket-propelled grenades and sniper rifles, witnesses said.
...

www.theguardian.com...

And in Ukraine...

Europe

Russian Troops Mass at Border With Ukraine

By STEVEN LEE MYERS and ALISON SMALEMARCH 13, 2014

MOSCOW — With a referendum on secession looming in Crimea, Russia massed troops and armored vehicles in at least three regions along Ukraine’s eastern border on Thursday, alarming the interim Ukraine government about a possible invasion and significantly escalating tensions in the crisis between the Kremlin and the West.

The announcement of the troop buildup by Russia’s Defense Ministry was met with an unusually sharp rebuke from Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, who warned that the Russian government must abandon what she called the politics of the 19th and 20th centuries
...

www.nytimes.com...

But Russia is only doing it for "the good of the people" people... Move along, nothing to see here... It doesn't even matter that the Russian troop buildup at the borders of Ukraine was seen since late February... After all, Putin claimed that he wasn't planning on having the military take over Ukraine... That's why there has been a massive buildup of Russian troops with armored tanks on the Ukrainian border...

www.nbcnews.com...

Geez, these westerners... People don't know what's good for them anymore...

xuenchen

Vovin
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Crimea river

edit on 9-4-2014 by Vovin because: (no reason given)

That was so funny....

I forgot to laugh !!!

LOL, me too. Here I thought I was partaking on a sad but interesting and fact filled discussion that completely forgot to put on my "communist propaganda hat" and forgot to have fun and use nothing but ad hominem attacks and name calling people as useful "idiots"...

ElectricUniverse

Vovin

Well since you've degraded yourself to name calling would you feel satisfied if I called you an idiot?

LOL, very interesting... Again since you have no argument at all to reply to you try to get this thread closed by trying to make me insult you... Phew, using reverse psychology now aren't we?

The Red Scare was never real. I am not a "Russian disinformation agent" like you keep posting in various threads. Because I have a degree in political theory and understand Marxist social analysis, doesn't make me a communist.

Personally I think you need help. You know, like in the head?

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Here is a small excerpt of one of your last posts. I am going to systematically point out everything wrong that you posted in these few lines.

Even after you yourself explained that his supposed "secret thesis" that is not in the public domain

Absolutely wrong and completely contrived nonsense.

I never once said it was a "secret thesis". All I said was that I've never found a public link to it on the Internet- and that I've never really searched because I already have private access to it.

And it is not "supposed". Putin has a doctorate in economics and his thesis was on state control of resource industry. I'm sure you could probably look that up on Wikipedia.

he explains that he wants a central government nationalizing all infrastructure, which is what happens under socialism/fascism/communism.

First off, nobody ever said anything about "central government nationalizing all infrastructure". I reiterated the point of Putin's thesis: state control over resource industry.

Secondly, you have absolutely no clue when it comes to understanding political ideology. This is 100% obvious with such a ridiculous statement as one that uses an incorrect inference as a blanket statement used to describe three entirely different socioeconomic ideologies from both sides of the spectrum. You are either trolling at this point, or completely hopeless.

You keep making excuses for Putin,

An outright lie. I was explaining the situation by analyzing it through socioeconomic context.

You kept ranting about Russia being communist and that Putin was invading countries trying to rebuild the USSR. I tried to explain that this was absolutely illogical considering that Russia is clearly an advanced capitalist power, and is engaged in classic financial imperialism against other empires.

I tried explaining that Russia could not be communist if the worker did not own the means of production (obviously it's capitalist production).

Then you completely flipped off the handle because I wasn't adhering to the same Orwellian reaction of blind hate that you exhibit.

and instead continue to try to derail the thread any way you can to the point that now all you can do is throw ad-hominem attacks at me.

And yet you went to another thread that I post in, where you posted three posts, in succession, ranting about how I am a "Russian disinformation agent".

How ironic considering you started this thread with a video that is so painfully obviously western-produced propaganda, to the point where it was actually proven as being produced by the US State Department long before you even posted it. But in your opening post, nay, the title itself says "everyone should watch this!"

And YOU are calling ME the disinformation agent???

You keep trying to make excuses for Putin by insulting me, and even proclaiming that I must be ignorant an uneducated, when you don't know jack about me...

That's like the second or third time you've stated "you're making excuses for Putin" in this one post alone. Sheeple tend to believe lies when they are repeated over and over again, but I bet you already know that.

As for being ignorant and uneducated, well, that's exactly how you come off. I'm just telling it as I see it.

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There, is that want you wanted? After goading about how I wasn't responding to your "arguments"? Well I hope you've enjoyed it because it's the last time I reply to you.

Vovin

The Red Scare was never real. I am not a "Russian disinformation agent" like you keep posting in various threads. Because I have a degree in political theory and understand Marxist social analysis, doesn't make me a communist.

Personally I think you need help. You know, like in the head?

Seriously?... "The Red scare was never real"...

It took a degree for you to "believe" that?...

Oh no wait, geez all those people who went through communism and were murdered and imprisoned were just making it up in their heads...

Yeah, we needed to see a shrink because some "useful idiot" believes "communism never happened"... That must have been what gulags and concentration camps were, a psychiatric ward...

Dude, shut the hell up.