Canadian doctor makes anti-Obamacare senator look like a buffoon

reply to post by Willtell


If I'm still being mandated by the government to buy insurance then it still sucks.

Lipstick on a pig, is all this is.

Let us not forget that all Obamacare is, is a tax. It is a gateway for single-payer.


Total government control.

I'm in favor for fixing a system that is broken.
what I'm not in favor of is political nonsense and fear mongering over factual discussion.

if the affordable care act (or as the u.s. media dubbed it: obamacare) is in need of repair the united states will benefit more from cooperation than all this in-fighting. what these politicians in the video were trying to do was twist words and hang on emotional arguments rather than speak to the facts.

Because our system costs the government less per person percentage wise and only some provinces make you pay premiums, universal ones, roughly 65 dollars for adults, and free for low income, with most of their drugs paid for as well, have decent wait times, you get bumped in emergencies, like my father's prostrate surgery. NO payout of thousands each year, you don't pay any costs. Its not car insurance, you don't fork out the 200 dollar deductible first for the new window.

The US system is obscene, one of a kind hell medical compared to any first world nation. Its worse than most fascist and communist nations.

reply to post by Unity_99


That's because our health system in the US is not national. Each state has its own regulations / requirements for the medical industry. To put it in perspective when Hurricane Katrina hit there was no real mechanism in place to bring in medical staff from surrounding states. The federal government essentially had to make them a federal extension in order to perform medically related actions in Louisiana.

Just because the Universal healthcare variant in Massachusetts works does not mean it will nation wide. Simply put the needs of the people in Mas.s are not the same as those in California are not the same as those in Puerto Rico etc etc.

I think our medical system is broke. I think we should look at all possibilities on how to fix it, including some sort of universal healthcare system. The morons in Washington DC first need to realize an all my way or nothing position does not work. When our reps in DC cant tell us how much milks costs in their home states, then they have no business leading the charge.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Well, ours is run through the provinces, but federal in essence. However, thats not why the US one is so dreadful.

1. The full intent of this medical was to be horrible no matter what states did.

2. You can't smash together both medicare and insurance. Medical needs to be universal, and no payments, is the ideal, no tier system, with coverage for nearly everything.

And thats just medical. Dental should be the same and for everyone as well.

I think everyone can agree the U.S. healthcare system needs some fixin. Just for one visit to the doctor I will get 3 letters in the mail from the doctor's office and 4 letters from my insurance company. It's ridiculous! The amount doctors and hospitals charge for things is ridiculous! The amount insurance covers is ridiculous! And just in case you thought I haven't used ridiculous enough here it is again: It's ridiculous that Obamacare does not address or fix any of these issues!

aboutface
We Canadians love our health care system, despite its annoyances sometimes. What we absolutely hate are the extortionist parking rates in hospital lots.

hmm i think you need a bit of editing to become truthful.

"We Canadians love our health care system, despite its annoyances sometimes." until you loose your doctor and can't find a replacement, because there aren't enough doctors and doctors have a maximum amount of patients they are allowed to see. or find out that if you don't have INSURANCE that needed healthcare that you may need and is not covered is beyond your ability to pay for it, like physiotherapy for example. not to mention needed drugs are not covered, nor is dental, which seems can have a HUGE effect on your overall health (it's not just cosmetic). or silly little things like eye exams and glasses that enable you to see. "What we absolutely hate are the extortionist parking rates in hospital lots." which just mirrors the same overcharging at most "pay for" parking lots. and by "annoyances", i take you mean stuff like a year's wait before you can see a specialist to figure out why you are in constant pain?

AreUKiddingMe

Although I live in the USA, I also live an hour from the Canadian border on the west coast. The vast majority of Canadians are polite, intelligent, and are reasonably content with their own universal health care system. I never see Canadians utilizing our health care here. Asians and Mexicans and Phillipinos, yes...Canadians no. (parking is a nightmare here, too)

that is because the American system costs FAR too much. Canadians instead go to places like Asia, Mexico, and the Philippines. where a better standard of care costs significantly less. (parking is better too)

subfab
I'm in favor for fixing a system that is broken.
what I'm not in favor of is political nonsense and fear mongering over factual discussion.

if the affordable care act (or as the u.s. media dubbed it: obamacare) is in need of repair the united states will benefit more from cooperation than all this in-fighting. what these politicians in the video were trying to do was twist words and hang on emotional arguments rather than speak to the facts.

The Healthcare System in this country will never be fixed because in order to do so, the government would drive a whole sector of the economy out of business. The health insurance industry. So any claims from Democrats saying that Obamacare is a gateway to single payer are blowing smoke, because there is no way that the Government will let health insurance companies go out of business.

Krazysh0t

subfab
I'm in favor for fixing a system that is broken.
what I'm not in favor of is political nonsense and fear mongering over factual discussion.

if the affordable care act (or as the u.s. media dubbed it: obamacare) is in need of repair the united states will benefit more from cooperation than all this in-fighting. what these politicians in the video were trying to do was twist words and hang on emotional arguments rather than speak to the facts.

The Healthcare System in this country will never be fixed because in order to do so, the government would drive a whole sector of the economy out of business. The health insurance industry. So any claims from Democrats saying that Obamacare is a gateway to single payer are blowing smoke, because there is no way that the Government will let health insurance companies go out of business.

Government will have to "bail out" the health insurance industry (see GM) in order to prop up this sham of government intervention.

Once that is done, insurance industries will simply be another branch of government.

aboutface
We Canadians love our health care system, despite its annoyances sometimes. What we absolutely hate are the extortionist parking rates in hospital lots.

Agreed, but as an American who recently had to visit the emergency dept at a Canadian hospital, I noticed one thing ..
There were people who were done with their emergency visits and were actually waiting in the parking lots for others to show up, so they could give them their daily parking ticket, that they had purchased (CAD18 value), just out of the goodness of their hearts! They could have just as easily drove off and thrown the ticket away ..
I was so grateful, when one gentleman came up to me, and said please just make sure if you done soon, pass it onto someone who needs it ..which I did for sure ..
This happened on both times I went to emergency ..something that I have never seen happen in America ..
Canadians definitely have more empathy and humanity ..its not all about money, but helping others in any small way they can ..
I think if people just think like that, parking fees would not be too much of a hassle ..

reply to post by junglimogli


i don't know which i find more amazing. that people actually had time on their parking voucher, my experience has been it takes many hours to be seen in emergency even for "life threatening issues". or the fact you were not old to go find a "walk in clinic"as "emergency" is only for "life and death" issues. or even that the hospital had an "open" emergency room to begin with.

The History of Medicare

1947 – The Saskatchewan Government, led by leader Tommy Douglas, introduces the first provincial hospital insurance program In Canada.

1957 – Paul Martin Sr. introduces a national hospital insurance program. Doctors, insurance companies and big business fight against it.

1960 – The Canadian Medical Association opposes all publicly funded health care.

1962 – Saskatchewan’s CCF government introduces the first public health care program. Doctors walk out but the strike collapses after 3 weeks.

1965 – A Royal Commission appointed by Diefenbaker government and headed by Justice Emmett Hall calls for a universal and comprehensive national health insurance program.

1966 – Pearson minority government creates a national Medicare program with Ottawa paying 50% of provincial health costs. Prior to this point, doctors charged whatever they wanted and bankruptcy to pay for health care was common. Now citizens would receive portable, comprehensive and universal access to necessary physician and hospital services, regardless of ability to pay.

snakes_e1977 – Trudeau Liberals retreat from 50:50 cost-sharing and replace it with block funding.

1978 – Doctors begin “extra-billing” to raise their incomes.

1984 – Canada Health Act introduced by Trudeau’s health minister, Monique Begin, is passed unanimously by parliament. Extra-billing is banned. The act allows the federal government to deduct one dollar from federal transfers to any province for every dollar of direct patient charges in that province, and ended user-fees for insured physicians and hospital services.

1995 – Paul Martin Jr. introduces Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST), causing massive cuts in transfer payments to health and social programs. Health Care spending drops from 10.2% (in 1992) to 9.2% of GDP. 2000 – Ralph Klein introduces legislation to allow private hospitals. Alberta Friends of Medicare mount major campaign to protect Medicare from Bill 11.

2001 – Senator Michael Kirby, Board member of Extendicare Inc. and personally invested in for-profit nursing homes, attempts to trump the upcoming Romanow Commission by starting his own. Produces a report not backed-up by facts and ignores expert testimony from Dr. Arnold Relman.

2002 – The Romanow Royal Commission on the Future of Health Care in Canada conducted cross-country public hearings. Final report was tabled in Ottawa on November 28, 2002. It called for:

Creation of the Health Council of Canada to facilitate collaborative leadership in health and new approaches to primary care;
Stable and predictable long-term funding;
More integrated, team-based care;
Investment in diagnostic technologies and training programs to reduce waiting lists;
Centralized management of waiting lists;
A national home care strategy and improved service to rural and remote communities; and
A National Drug Agency and improved coverage of prescription drugs. Report went largely ignored.
2003 – First Ministers’ meeting results in a new ‘Health Accord.’ Targeted funding in keys areas (as prescribed by the Romanow report) shows promise. However, there are no accountability mechanisms and no strings attached (e.g. no restrictions on public funding being spent on for-profit health care).

2005 – Jacque Chaoulli (backed by the Canadian Medical Association) wins Supreme Court of Canada case. Evidence from the lower courts was ignored. Resulted in increased calls for a two-tiered private insurance and for-profit health care delivery.

2006 – CMA elects Dr. Brian Day as President and begins a highly-public 4-year push to break Medicare and allow extra-billing and double-dipping doctors. Split within CMA leads to formation of a new organization: “Canadian Doctors for Medicare”.

2009 – Ontario doctors elect a pro-Medicare doctor, Jeffrey Turnball, MD, as the candidate for CMA President in 2010. Outspoken advocate for private, for-profit health care, CMA past-President Dr. Brian Day, faces serious charges in a BC court, including illegal billing practices.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thats the difference between Canada's original concept, and Obamacare
the corporations were against it
in Obama care the corporations wrote it, which i am sure Canada is headed the same way.
look how we treat medical whistle blowers..thats telling

poet1b
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

Your source is a conservative right wing think tank.

You can get better information from the typical gossip mag.

Obama care is as bad as republicans could make it.

so says a obumacare supporter.
ever notice that when someone that's a liberal or dummiecrat doesn't like someone or they disagree with them, they called them rightwing, and start making it pooh pooh on their source, even when the source have a world wide following or ranking.

and the dummiecrats didn't need the republicans help in making a bad law. obauma, his cronies and the insurance compines did that all on their own.

It's not hard to make anti-Obama people look like buffoons. Their blind hatred for the man distorts their perceptions. The problem though is trying to make them understand just how wrong they are about a great many things, (not all things, of course). Oh well.... There's always going to be mis-guided people. Fortunately they're easy to spot - they're usually the ones yelling the loudest.

aboutface
We Canadians love our health care system, despite its annoyances sometimes. What we absolutely hate are the extortionist parking rates in hospital lots.

I will address that directly...I used to feel the same as you. Then my cancer was cured at Sunnybrook for $32 out of pocket. The price of parking twice. When I consider what Americans pay for the same procedure, well I no longer squawk about parking fees.

But that's just me, eh?

TownCryer
Their blind hatred for the man distorts their perceptions.

As does blind loyalty..

Whose the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows?

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

You quote the Frazer Institute, regarded as "politically conservative and right-libertarian". Wiki
You'd be better off listening to the opinions of Canadians who use the system than the 'lies, damn lies, and statistics' that are bandied about by a business-friendly think tank. Cuz we all know what a good job right-wing business interests have done with American health care.

How about dropping your politics for a while, and taking care of your fellow Americans for a change?

hounddoghowlie

poet1b
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

Your source is a conservative right wing think tank.

You can get better information from the typical gossip mag.

Obama care is as bad as republicans could make it.

so says a obumacare supporter.
ever notice that when someone that's a liberal or dummiecrat doesn't like someone or they disagree with them, they called them rightwing, and start making it pooh pooh on their source, even when the source have a world wide following or ranking.

and the dummiecrats didn't need the republicans help in making a bad law. obauma, his cronies and the insurance compines did that all on their own.

Hate to break this to you but the ACA was dreamed up by the right wing Heritage Foundation and it was a Republican by the name of Mitt Romney that used it first.

buster2010

hounddoghowlie

poet1b
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

Your source is a conservative right wing think tank.

You can get better information from the typical gossip mag.

Obama care is as bad as republicans could make it.

so says a obumacare supporter.
ever notice that when someone that's a liberal or dummiecrat doesn't like someone or they disagree with them, they called them rightwing, and start making it pooh pooh on their source, even when the source have a world wide following or ranking.

and the dummiecrats didn't need the republicans help in making a bad law. obauma, his cronies and the insurance compines did that all on their own.

Hate to break this to you but the ACA was dreamed up by the right wing Heritage Foundation and it was a Republican by the name of Mitt Romney that used it first.

me and you done had this conversation, and as you see it was dummiecrats that pushed it through, just like the nafta and ggat talk we had.