70% of Federal Spending is Writing Checks to Individuals

macman
reply to post by olaru12

 

So, I must continue to fund you, while those that fund me aren't contributing thus leaving me with nothing?

Ask not what your country can do for you, but demand that your neighbor pay for your retirement.

Agreed. It is completely ridiculous that the money you are putting into the SS system, you have been told you may not get back out. It is pathetic that it has ended up that way.

But Olaru paid into that system, too. It is no more right for her to get screwed over by it than you.

You are right in your outrage. But the focus of it should be your government. They let you down. And to be honest, they let Olaru down, too. Along with countless other seniors who frequently make those tough choices, like whether they will eat or purchase their medications.

reply to post by neo96


My point exactly.
There aren't any complaints from that insatiable hole on this particular matter.
As far as Capital Gains, I will be paying them myself soon enough.
I have no qualms with giving back a % to my fellow Americans/Fellow Mankind.

Do I sometimes cringe at it? But of Course.
Yet, if it somehow alleviates the struggle of life and helps The World go round,
well, at least I have the meager comfort that I have contributed Something to
Mankind before my short stint in time here is over.

To be clear, I have known millionaires all my life, and have had the fate to
meet a few Billionaires as well. These folks have excruciating work/life schedules.
Some of them are the most intelligent,humble, and kind folks you could ever be
lucky enough to meet in a lifetime.

And yet, among'st us are those of a similar economic demeanor who are so
completely self absorbed that I believe it would fair to comment that they exhibit the
attributes of psychopathy or even sociopathy . And there's A Lot of them.
That is what I meant by my term "insatiable hole".

Hell, I think that will be the name of my Next Rock n Roll Band .
Just remember, you heard it first here....on ATS.

olaru12

I'm to busy being productive and running businesses to be angry and feeling sorry for myself. Agreed the system is ****** up but if you think voting Republican is going to change anything....LoL...What solution do you have?

Sounds to me like you are the one with the chip on his shoulder!!! Not me....

I feel blessed to live in a country where my intelligence, education and hard work allows me to prosper and prosper big.

Whining on the internet won't get **** done!!

Here's some unsolicited advice for you and conservatives in general...you need to lose the VICTIM mentality. America from my perspective is the land of opportunity if you have enough drive and ambition to actually learn the system and work within it! You would be astonished at how much fun and rewarding, facing the challenge is.

edit on 12-3-2014 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

Uh, so which one is it....

Are you a farmer who has always struggled as you said on page 1, or are you big time prosperous from your 3 companies as you said on page 2? It seems if you were so prosperous, you wouldnt be that concerned about not getting your social security checks.

No sane, rational person could ever conclude that "conservatives" are the ones playing victim....its the leftists who claim there is a war on women, minorities, the poor, etc etc etc.

Then again, no one has accused you of being sane or rational.

doubletap

olaru12

I'm to busy being productive and running businesses to be angry and feeling sorry for myself. Agreed the system is ****** up but if you think voting Republican is going to change anything....LoL...What solution do you have?

Sounds to me like you are the one with the chip on his shoulder!!! Not me....

I feel blessed to live in a country where my intelligence, education and hard work allows me to prosper and prosper big.

Whining on the internet won't get **** done!!

Here's some unsolicited advice for you and conservatives in general...you need to lose the VICTIM mentality. America from my perspective is the land of opportunity if you have enough drive and ambition to actually learn the system and work within it! You would be astonished at how much fun and rewarding, facing the challenge is.

edit on 12-3-2014 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)

Uh, so which one is it....

Are you a farmer who has always struggled as you said on page 1, or are you big time prosperous from your 3 companies as you said on page 2? It seems if you were so prosperous, you wouldnt be that concerned about not getting your social security checks.

No sane, rational person could ever conclude that "conservatives" are the ones playing victim....its the leftists who claim there is a war on women, minorities, the poor, etc etc etc.

Then again, no one has accused you of being sane or rational.

Currently I'm a business man that managed to sell a lot of my farmland to developers before the real estate bust and thus finance my other enterprises. I still own most of what I bought and paid for plus the family farm I inherited.
You are correct that I really don't need the SS to get buy but it's the principal of the thing. I lived up to my agreement to pay into the system and I expect the govt. to live up to theirs.

Well, it's sure the conservatives that are playing the whining crybaby victims in this thread; you included. I wouldn't have even brought it up if it weren't so obvious.

Man up.......

reply to post by olaru12


Good for you olaru12 !

Keep in mind though smart folks like you should
not allow themselves to be Politically Polarized.

In fact, I would be wise to adhere to that as well.

neo96

But what can one expect from people who claim to believe in 'evolution', and use government to social engineer the environment to suit the individual.

This made me laugh. So how does believing in evolution come into play with all of this?

And how does one social engineer the environment?

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Careful with #3 though. Something about those who rob Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.

reply to post by theyknowwhoyouare


I know social engineering is alive and well...messy.
Look at worldwide immigration, the mixing of populations
that are somewhat religiously,politically, and economically
perpendicular to each other.

Look at the obvious attempts to sway public opinion,
to deliberately infuriate and isolate certain groups of population.
look at political correctness, and polarization.

This is not, at least I believe it is not, Natural Selection.
As that concept/theory is based on Biological Adaptation
Perplexing isn't it?
At any rate, i do not wan't to derail this thread,
so I will respectfully move along now.

Best to you,

reply to post by MrSpad

Watching you people try and understand the Federal Buget tells me on thing. We need to spend a lot more on education.

That would be 'try to understand' and 'one' versus 'on'. I agree though. More emphasis on education needed.

theyknowwhoyouare

neo96

But what can one expect from people who claim to believe in 'evolution', and use government to social engineer the environment to suit the individual.

This made me laugh. So how does believing in evolution come into play with all of this?

And how does one social engineer the environment?

Really makes you laugh eh?

This country being 17 trillion dollars in debt is a laughing matter?

The total owed to all social programs( the social engineering) that is over $120 trillion dollars is also funny ?

How does one social engineer the environment ?

They create government programs that can't, and never will fund themselves to pay for peoples existence.

Then that isn't good enough they create more, and more programs that can't be paid for.

Because some people think it is government's job to give them 'free' stuff.

Taxation doesn't cover it.

Printing trillions of dollars doesn't cover it. That actually devalues the money people, and business have. That increases the cost of living( inflation). To where that dollar doesn't buy what it use to.

Then that still doesn't cover the id complex of the masses.

So they borrow trillions from other countries. Like Japan, and China.

I tell ya what is funny.

'I am entitled to that social security' !

Places like Japan and China are paying for it.

reply to post by Wildmanimal


I am well aware of the programming we all have to endure and try to rise above.

I was just making jest at the statement itself. It should have read "to social engineer the social environment"

just semantics

Pensions

reply to post by neo96




It was that one line that made me laugh. I completely agree with the rest of it. The fact that you so subtly pair evolution with the criminals responsible for our imminent self destruction. Seems like you are trying to do a little social engineering yourself.

It is beyond our control, we have gone past the point of no return. This country needs to crash and burn to wake people the hell up and get them off their couches.

reply to post by theyknowwhoyouare


I understood you clearly from your first comment,
and your humor as well.

Hopefully you have understood me as well,
so that neither of us would be interpreted
out of context.

reply to post by neo96


I see major flaws in your logic,

I can only rationalize that you are referring to

Medicaid and Welfare and those entrenched in these programs.

Am I misinterpreting your debate?

For as, Social Security and Medicare are differently managed systems
than Medicaid and Welfare.

Some random thoughts on various government expenses

We seem to spend an awful lot of money putting grown, potentially productive men in prison. A lot of money.

We sure have sent an awful lot of productive, young men out of our country to make war.

Instead of just paying, outright, for the medical care of our population, we have forced them to buy healthcare. Not in a free, open market. But in a market where your cost is determined on what someone else thinks you should be able to afford. I think that is called "protection racket" if this were Goodfellas.

We spend almost 1trillion/year on making war. Those soldiers sure would be useful rebuilding a rapidly decaying infrastructure. No, they shouldn't do that either. But how do you just dump all those workers back into the market? Especially when that market doesn't even have the transport capabilities to deal with potential booms in commerce.

There is no shortage of government waste. I find it unconscionable that we would bicker over entitlement to the elderly when we are spending a trillion dollars a year making needless death. Perhaps people would have better retirement options if we didn't have 3million potential support mechanisms in prison.

reply to post by BlubberyConspiracy


These are and will continue to be the next target of
Robber Barons, Venture Capitalists, Carpet Baggers,
and even S c a l i w a g s.

I Know this for a fact.

So, Cover your ASSets

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Well Spoken Tex.
Keep your spurs sharp and shiny.

reply to post by doubletap


Hey Doubletap,

I don't mean to be "camping out" on Your Thread,
but I'm just inquisitive as to what Neo96 has to reply.

I get the feeling that someone is "consulting" in between replies.

I left my brewski outside too long, so it is slushy.
I am using it as an hourglass.
Once it has liquified, I will move on for the evening.

Thanks for your patience, Wildmanimal

I love how everyone immidiately jumps to welfare and social security being these 70%, once again, blaming it all on the poor. Yet no one pointing out the obvious: paychecks. How many of these checks to individuals are employee paychecks?

The number of federal government civilian employees is at about 2,723,000. If you add the current number of active military, about 1.4 million troops, all of whom are individuals who also receive paychecks from Uncle Sam. Add to that non-paycheck payments like travel reimbursements, ect. Then you have millions of veterans who receive some sort of benefit from the VA. Plus retired federal employees and their pensions.

Government employees make good salaries, have good benefits. And they are individuals. Social security and welfare don't pay that much.