Drugs

yeah, if the SHTF we gonna need Drugs, lots of Drugs.
My Purpose for starting this thread is to determine what Drugs we will need. and what Drugs will command the best market price once people start getting sick.

While everyone is running about like headless chickens fighting over Bread and water, (remember, you can only carry so much) i'll be in the local Chemist filling my Rucksack with all manner of Drugs.LOts and Lots of Drugs.

So lets look at what we need. Antibiotics for starters. lots of them to barter with. pain killers, diamorphine, insulin, antibiotic creams...

OK...your turn...what do we need. What would hold the highest value in a SHTF scenario.?????

Camping Bad?

Probably anesthetic

Absolutely THE most important is Vit C It's way better to keep healthy than it is to treat illness and there is nothing better for overall health than Vit C.

Fever reducers, anesthetic, sun block...

Most importantly, knowledge of plants that have medicinal value. One of the most important outdoor survival skills, IMO.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Where are you going to get insulin? Its a prescription medicine and amount you get from pharmacy is exactly 3 months need at the time. Type 1 diabetics usually need basal insulin to keep a basic need of insulin in blood ( your pancreas produce insulin all the time to your blood stream ) and bolus insulin for meals.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


Did you mention that you were going to rob a bank to get the funds to acquire your supple of "meds," or were you merely going to waltz in and help yourself at gunpoint? Your manner of approaching the subject suggests to me the latter would be your course of action. In the US, at least, you need 'scripts to haul away most of that stuff. Please enlighten us.

Aliensun
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Did you mention that you were going to rob a bank to get the funds to acquire your supple of "meds," or were you merely going to waltz in and help yourself at gunpoint? Your manner of approaching the subject suggests to me the latter would be your course of action. In the US, at least, you need 'scripts to haul away most of that stuff. Please enlighten us.

Maybe he means when the SHTF he's gonna be the first person to loot the pharm. Along with all the junkies, diabetics, and asthmatics in town.

reply to post by cosmikDebris


LMAO you made me laught as that sounded funny but if the SHTF and there is no other way to keep your kid alive i would propably go and loot pharmacy as well.. but what comes to insulin its propably the most restricted drug out there as it can be also lethal.. and it needs to be kept in cold as insulin in room temperature gets bad in a month.

dollukka
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Where are you going to get insulin?

You could gut a couple of pigs of course. Go for the pancreas. And while you're at it extract the glands situated on top of the kidneys aswell. Full of adrenaline, good for jump starting the heart at cardiac arrest, and useful for times of war when your body has to work on 120% at times. And then there is the pineal gland in the brain, weird stuff....

Appart from these, I would say etanol is the most important medical remedy, for cleaning wounds, pain relief etc.

The fact of the matter is, civilization would learn too quickly for comfort just how much we take modern medicine for granted... And electricity. The sad thing is, if you ask around to people of all ages, but especially kids and young adults, whether they would rather live in a world without medicine/medical care OR phones, social media, and television, I'm quite sure we'd have a lot of ill people walking around posting facebook statuses to the likes of "pounding headache, I wish we chose aspirin over our cellies lolz".

Utnapisjtim
And then there is the pineal gland in the brain, weird stuff....

I think I know a guy downtown with an extraction method.

Aliensun
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

Did you mention that you were going to rob a bank to get the funds to acquire your supple of "meds," or were you merely going to waltz in and help yourself at gunpoint? Your manner of approaching the subject suggests to me the latter would be your course of action. In the US, at least, you need 'scripts to haul away most of that stuff. Please enlighten us.

TSHHTF... I dont think money will be an issue..yep you are correct, i'll be helping myself whilst the chemist is at the local super market fighting for the last tin of beans. lol

Now can we get a list of Drugs we are gonna need..both for our own consumption and for bartering with... i'm pretty sure i can trade a 14 day course of anti Biotics for like a months worth of food and water.


you know it make sense.

reply to post by Utnapisjtim


Plantain leafs can do that too.. just make nice bandage of them on wounded area.

For producing insulin at home you need electricity

The present method of preparation is as follows. The beef or pork pancreas is finely minced in a larger grinder and the minced material is then treated with 5 c.c. of concentrated sulphuric acid, appropriately diluted, per pound of glands. The mixture is stirred for a period of three or four hours and 95% alcohol is added until the concentration of alcohol is 60% to 70%. Two extractions of the glands are made. The solid material is then partially removed by centrifuging the mixture and the solution is further clarified by filtering through paper. The filtrate is practically neutralized with NaOH. The clear filtrate is concentrated in vacuo to about 1/15 of its original volume. The concentrate is then heated to 50oC which results in the separation of lipoid and other materials, which are removed by filtration. Ammonium sulphate (37 grams. per 100 c.c.) is then added to the concentrate and a protein material containing all the Insulin floats to the top of the liquid. The precipitate is skimmed off and dissolved in hot acid alcohol. When the precipitate has completely dissolved, 10 volumes of warm alcohol are added. The solution is then neutralized with NaOH and cooled to room temperature, and kept in a refrigerator at 5oC for two days. At the end of this time the dark coloured supernatant alcohol is decanted off. The alcohol contains practically no potency. The precipitate is dried in vacuo to remove all trace of the alcohol. It is then dissolved in acid water, in which it is readily soluble. The solution is made alkaline with NaOH to PH 7.3 to 7.5. At this alkalinity a dark coloured precipitate settles out, and is immediately centrifuged off. This precipitate is washed once or twice with alkaline water of PH 9.0 and the washings are added to the main liquid. It is important that this process be carried out fairly quickly as Insulin is destroyed in alkaline solution. The acidity is adjusted to PH 5.0 and a white precipitate readily settles out. Tricresol is added to a concentration of 0.3% in order to assist in the isoelectric precipitation and to act as a preservative. After standing one week in the ice chest the supernatant liquid is decanted off and the resultant liquid is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate is then dissolved in a small quantity of acid water. A second isoelectric precipitation is carried out by adjusting the acidity to a PH of approximately 5.0. After standing over night the resultant precipitate is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate, which contains the active principle in a comparatively pure form, is dissolved in acid water and the hydrogen ion concentration adjusted to PH 2.5. The material is carefully tested to determine the potency and is then diluted to the desired strength of 10, 20, 40 or 80 units per c.c. Tricresol is added to secure a concentration of 0.1 percent. Sufficient sodium chloride is added to make the solution isotonic. The Insulin solution is passed through a Mandler filter. After passing through the filter the Insulin is retested carefully to determine its potency. There is practically no loss in berkefelding. The tested Insulin is poured into sterile glass vials with aseptic precautions and the sterility of the final product thoroughly tested by approved methods. The method of estimating the potency of Insulin solutions is based on the effect that Insulin produces upon the blood sugar of normal animals. Rabbits serve as the test animal. They are starved for twenty four hours before the administration of Insulin. Their weight should be approximately 2 kg. Insulin is distributed in strengths of 10, 20, 40 and 80 units per c.c. The unit is one third of the amount of material required to lower the blood sugar of a 2 kg. rabbit which has fasted twenty four hours from the normal level (0.118 percent) to 0.045 percent over a period of five hours. In a moderately severe case of diabetes one unit causes about 2.5 grammes of carbohydrate to be utilized. In earlier and milder cases, as a rule, one unit has a greater effect, accounting for three to five grammes of carbohydrate.

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reply to post by Soloprotocol

There's no doubt with the amount of illicit drug use nowadays that narcotics would be a more precious commodity than precious metals. If the SHTF, and you have the resources to feed an addicts jones for even a fleeting moment, they'd surely trade anything.

reply to post by dollukka


I just made a thread about Plantain ==> www.abovetopsecret.com...

Other remedies you'd need plenty of if you'd tinker with chemicals is Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda).

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Great snippet about insulin btw

Hoarding drugs would be a temporary way of getting goods through barter.
What about when the drugs run out, like in less than one year from the "beginning"?

Also, I hate to say it but when tshtf anyone that needs drugs to get through their day to day life for whatever reason isn't going to make it too long.

I would just collect parts to make a still, empty bottles and tons of grain.

Everyone is going to need whiskey and if you're really bad off and in need of "drugs" then just drink a lot of whiskey and pass out and maybe that will be that.

Wtshtf only the strong will survive. If you fall down I will probably end up eating you.

Plenty of natural remedies for the small things.

This BBC show shows you many many ways to grow your own.



Enjoy.

What i find sad is that there are so many opportunist who see scenery of SHTF as an a way to exploit people. There are people who are really in need of certain drugs to stay alive every day.
What comes to drug addicts.. its a different game i guess but it can also take your life.

I can understand some kind of exchange where items which benefits both as survival vice is taken place.. so i wonder what would you trade drugs for ????

Soloprotocol
Now can we get a list of Drugs we are gonna need..both for our own consumption .....

I'm going to need a ton of herb and spices

reply to post by Utnapisjtim

We have a lot of those in Scandinavia.. don´t we.. ( mind reader !!! )