Ladies and gentleman, start your conspiracy engines

reply to post by Xcathdra


As good a possibility as any, and I think a quite plausible one. A few people mentioned someone stealing the plane already (I think in the big thread) and loading it up and flying it into a high-value target.

As to the person show mentioned assassination...another plausible theory. We always look to who was on board, and in this case there's some room for exploration...two Ukrainians and a Russian heading for Beijing. Who were they?

Quite a few employees of Freescale Semiconductor, who has a location in Israel as well and for all we know might be a front or whatever it's called for Mossad, CIA, whoever. Who were they? Maybe no one but maybe someone.

The Chinese terrorist group attempting to take credit has to be examined. Why they waited, and whether this is even a remote possibility. Were they a smokescreen? Is the passport thing a smokescreen? Is the pointing fingers at Iranians a smokescreen?

Connections will emerge.

~Lucidity


reply to post by Xcathdra

 

As good a possibility as any, and I think a quite plausible one. A few people mentioned someone stealing the plane already (I think in the big thread) and loading it up and flying it into a high-value target.

The new world trade center? That is assuming the plane is in terrorists hands, that it would be rigged to explode and most importantly if the threat is even for the US.

Lots of other countries who have high value targets...

g146541
Oh my!!!
The signs point to Iran...
Translation: it is an israeli false flag terrorist event.
Always is.

If i could I would star this 100 more times!!!

If you guys interested in tinfoil.

The pilot who brought the 777 to Malaysia does not deny the probability of "other scenario", he in fact, make it as his point in a TV discussion (hes the only guest).

Weird isnt it ?, but he pointed out very good reasons. He mentioned everything we knew but from a pilot perspective.

1. No debris, if total explosion, expect huge debris area - None ?
   
2. No emergency call - Pilot will inform if course change, especially when entering other country radar area.
   
3. Flight just "vanished" at 35000, no falling, if it stall, radar will capture ?
   
4. Radar also show it "suddenly gone", even flock of birds we can detect but not 777 ?
   
5. Even if transponder failure, few other method available to relay flight data (he name technical stuff)
   
6. Plane missing in multi radar area - Vietnam, Thai and Malaysia
   

Until we find the debris, we can speculate anything.

Bedlam

Iwinder
Your id would not fool me when I was working, I have seen it all from very good to absolutely hilarious reproductions or touched up ID if your will.

You can get some awfully good ID these days, if you've got the coin. I guarantee you could not have told it wasn't standard issue unless you ran the numbers, and on the pricier ones the name, address, height and weight would have matched, although the picture would not, if you could pull it up. Complete with the correct holograms and watermarks.

There's a bunch of ID forgers that used to work for the Agency that are living in Switzerland, they're absolutely amazing. But you're going to fork over about $1,000 for a drivers license. The FedEx badge and ID is pricier.

Understood and I know times have change but what about all this airport security that makes people take off their shoes and toss their toothpaste into the trash bin?

Surely the first they do is run the numbers on the passport? Then again maybe not.

Thanks for your reply and point taken.

Regards, Iwinder

Posting this here for the record.

Malaysian plane virtual search party too much for website

I know I saw this somewhere on ATS, but damned if I can find it again. I think someone said that someone from ATS started this site, but I was reading too fast and now it eludes me.

Posting xavi's post here about the photoshopped legs here too, for the record: www.abovetopsecret.com...

(Sorry I can't stand it when things are in like 20 threads and then I can't ever find it again.)

reply to post by Xcathdra

Yes. Shudder at that thought.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Iwinder

 

Major maintenance has led to more headaches than almost anything else out there. We had an EC-135 that was such a dream to fly. You didn't even have to trim the damn thing to get it to fly level. Then it went through PDM. When they put the wings on, they didn't align them correctly. Even after removing and reattaching them a second time that damn airplane never flew straight again.

Japan 123 flew 12 flights just fine, after the aft pressure bulkhead was improperly installed. On the 13th, the bulkhead blew out, tearing off a large portion of aft fuselage leading to a crash.

Those are just two examples to show how maintenance can cause huge problems later.

Good stuff and much appreciated, I have only flown once and that was on a very old patched up DC-9 and let me tell you it was a great flight but I could see the pop rivet patches on the wing I was seated by..

I actually delivered and loaded beer onto that plane and had a tour of the cockpit, lots of gadgets and lights blinking on and off.
If anyone told me that the wings were removed and replaced before my one and only flight it would have been the train for me.

Regards, Iwinder

reply to post by Crakeur


Crak, I don't believe that Iran would put their name behind something like this, it would be suicide for their Nation, and they know that. I think those two guys were trying to illegally immigrate. Course, we need to wait and see what the future reveals. ~$heopleNation

If Iran or Iranian terrorists have anything to do with taking this plane and using it in an attack I don't think their first aim will be USA. I'm afraid for Israel.

Since 9-11, Interpol has maintained a database of stolen passports. It contains more than 40 million entries, according to the agency.

NPR.org

Earlier I stated that 37 million British passports were listed stolen. I don't believe that this is the story I was listening to when I heard that, I'm still looking for the stolen British passport quote.

Crakeur
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

hell, it's possible the mysterious Mr. Ali is actually an american setting Iran up so that China doesn't join Russia and Iran in any actions that might take place in the Ukraine.

are the Iranians reading my posts or am I just incredibly intuitive?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Crakeur


I think it's just not a stretch. We deposed their Democracy after all and are itching to finish the job. I don't think it's the case though I don't put it past officials here trying to paint Iran guilty. Perception is all that matters, why risk getting whistleblown?

My money is on a fuselage crack and slow decompression. It could be anywhere within range of the fuel load.

Crakeur

Crakeur
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

hell, it's possible the mysterious Mr. Ali is actually an american setting Iran up so that China doesn't join Russia and Iran in any actions that might take place in the Ukraine.

are the Iranians reading my posts or am I just incredibly intuitive?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No, Rupert Murdoch beat you to it...He said America should have a 'common cause' with China, now that 'Russia are bullying'.

Murdoch blamed Jihadis causing trouble for China.

I am beginning to wonder, and I imagine I am not the only person (considering the reports of a search being conducted at the pilots home), who else was allowed to train on the flight simulator that he owned.

I'm not educated in anything aviation, but it does seem fishy that a pilot with all those hours in the air would need to practice on a simulator at this point. Practice does make perfect but so does extended periods of actually performing the task at hand, which he has.

Maybe I'm reaching, I am willing to admit that. Perhaps he just loves to fly, even when off-duty. But it does kind of seem suspect when you compare it to what we know about the 9/11 hi-jackers training.

reply to post by OatDelphi


Aircraft today are so self sufficient that the pilots hardly do anything but turn knobs. That means they require simulator time to keep current on procedures and training.

reply to post by Zaphod58

See now I can understand that explanation. Thank you for that.

Software is always being updated and knowing how to use and read it would give good reason for the use of a simulator.

Maybe they are just wanting to glance at the books/etc. he owns, or medications (if any) that he was on.

reply to post by OatDelphi


Any time there is an accident there is a really detailed section on the crew. Everything from mediations down to how much sleep they got in the days before the accident. They essentially tear their lives apart for the week or so prior.

Zaphod58
reply to post by OatDelphi

 

Any time there is an accident there is a really detailed section on the crew. Everything from mediations down to how much sleep they got in the days before the accident. They essentially tear their lives apart for the week or so prior.

And I would expect these type protocols from any transportation disaster be it air, land or sea.

I just hope that the report's aren't true and they didn't wait till day 5 to actually begin searching their homes.

reply to post by OatDelphi


I don't know about Malaysia but the NTSB usually takes a few days. It takes that long to get the Go Team organized. They are usually on the ground within 24 hours then it takes another day or so to split up and get started digging.