The Elliptical Obsidian Disc

At first i must thank you for sharing. Great story and I believe a real one.

cosmikDebris
The starlight seemed to bend around it… it was just so real. .

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Maybe what you saw was the effect of the gravity propulsion system bending light.

In Astronmy its called “gravitational lens ” and it is the effect of celestial bodies with great mass bending light which passes near them

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THX THX THX for your kind, meaty and thoughtful answers. My replies below:

cosmikDebris


1. I don't recall any of us feeling like time had passed in any odd way. We all had fallen asleep. The first to wake up was one of my friends in the other tent and he woke up the two others with him. I woke up a couple minutes after. We had been asleep one to two hours.

I hope that's an accurate sense of what happened. Depending . . . it might be hard to know. LOL.

2. No signs of implantation on me and none of the others, as far as I know. Really as scary as it was there was never a time where any of us considered that we had any sort of abduction experience. That being said, I KNOW what I saw that night and I fully believe, now, that literally nothing is outside the realm of possibility.

Wise perspective, imho. Thanks for your candor.

3. She, like the rest of our crew, was a spiritual person but not a religious person... if that makes sense. In the few years before this happened she got really into Ouija boards, as well as a few other strange things, but I remember the Ouija board specifically. I used it with her and a couple other people a few times and some very strange stuff did happen but I never really gave it a second thought. She was really freaked out about it though so maybe she's just more sensitive to paranormal types of things.

I don't recall how much I intimated toward that stuff in my earlier post but that is what I IMMEDIATELY thought of when you mentioned her response. Guy Malone has documented that sort of connection in over 400 cases in his files. That's precisely the sort of thing highly correlated with abduction experiences. It is as though it opens a spiritually legal permission sort of thing for the fallen angels to get away with it.

There is no using the Ouija board without negative spiritual fallout lingering with the participants in the session . . . at least no such case that I've ever know about first hand or even 2nd hand. The same goes for a list of other occult activities.

Such activities doubtfully always include abductions to follow. However, in all those 400+ cases Guy Malone has in his files, there was ALWAYS some sort of significant occult activity opening that spiritual door 'legally' allowing the fallen angels to 'have their way' with the participants.

4. When I awoke in my tent, I felt like I was physically humming the sound I was hearing. I could feel it reverberating in my diaphragm. It was loud but not unbearably so, but really my teeth were almost chattering from the vibration. While all 5 of us were standing looking over the water and over our heads at the disc, we were all scared but there was nothing we could do about it except stand in marvel. I've never considered that it was there to intimidate us but certainly it knew we were there. Honestly, when I hear abduction stories I get a little jealous that they didn't choose me (as far as I know).

It's not really something to be jealous over. Being treated like cattle (sometimes even mutilated like cattle); lied to; grossly deceived; manipulated; mind raped; body raped; implanted; sperm or eggs stolen; etc. . . . that's how cruel folks treat dogs and other animals.

Not something I'd encourage, at all.

5. Geometry is not my strong point, I could probably draw it but for now the best I can say is that it was almost like the starlight that should have been above the object (obscured from our view) was being bent and stretched and was spinning elliptically around the center point of the ellipse, kind of like the hands on an oval shaped clock except the hands were stretched out lines of light of varying brightness. Every so often it was like light was reflected in such a way that you could see the elliptical profile of the object. It seemed to shine and was very obvious that something was there and its shape was clearly defined.

Thanks much. That's a much clearer description.

6. Personally I kept going back and forth between "wow what a crazy dream" and "oh no, I'm going to die" - however, after a short time I felt very at peace (probably because I couldn't do anything about it) and I know I can speak for most of the group when I say that in the long run it was a positive experience, in that it confirmed our teenage suspicions that there was something bigger than ourselves in the universe.

Yeah . . . we are not the sum total of everything. Humility is always wise.

However . . . some might assert that feeling calm and peaceful in that situation may well have been a projection technologically &/or spiritually AS A MANIPULATION by the critters in the craft. They do repeatedly seem to pull such stunts off--inserting emotional responses--eve n feelings of love and submissive adoration. Some abductees even report said emotions starting at a given point in the abduction like a switch was turned on . . . and ending later as though a switch was turned off.

7. I've considered that it could've been human technology but then I remember the way the thing took off. It slowly moved away from the island and shot up and into the sky without any sign of thrust or anything like that. So, so fast, and on a perfect curve. When I think solely about my emotions at the time, I would also say that it was not of earthly origin.

Interesting. Thanks for your perspective on that.

You might be able to locate the troubled soul by a search through the net sites doing such things.

I hope she runs into someone like Guy Malone to help her work it all through.

Have a blessed week,

cosmikDebris

BO XIAN
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I do wonder . . .
3. She, like the rest of our crew, was a spiritual person but not a religious person... if that makes sense. In the few years before this happened she got really into Ouija boards, as well as a few other strange things, but I remember the Ouija board specifically. I used it with her and a couple other people a few times and some very strange stuff did happen but I never really gave it a second thought. She was really freaked out about it though so maybe she's just more sensitive to paranormal types of things.

That's interesting. There was a church minister who was saying that people who had experimented with Ouija boards had even tried summoning a UFO.

www.godlikeproductions.com...

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Saw a saucer too eh?

Did it look anything like this?



I saw this when i was with a friend. The bottom balls on the bottom can change color, White black, orange blue yellow.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If it's the same species, They are inter-galatic. They go by many names but are simply known as the *Old Ones*.
They will appear to you if you seek them, If you have pure desire and wish to see one you will. And likewise, Others with you will see them as well.

They are non physical beings made up of Sub-atomic particles, they cannot be killed by being shot or crushed because they can walk freely through walls and teleport.

Just how you described it, seemed pretty similar to what i saw. If it is the same species, They have been mistaken for witches and shamans (Skinwalkers). They have mastered Black matter and energy.. that is what they are made of.
The humming you described and the Wooooshing of the car is exactly the sound the saucer makes * When it wants to be noticed Otherwise it is silent*

I donno why but this thread just jumped out. Maybe this info will be of use to you OP.


Alien rap hahaha, Can't get enough of this album.

You should really look into getting some sort of hypnosis to figure out if you were actually abducted or to see if there is any more information you can pull out from the experience. I know you say you remember it as though it were yesterday, but you may have forgotten some details and I'm sure the hypnosis would help.


If you do see someone about this be sure to report back!

S&F BTW...What a great story. I've seen a bunch of unexplained stuff in my life but nothing as vivid (and as close) as you described...Super jealous!

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Thanks for sharing such an amazing story with many witnesses... I too had a close sighting overhead with a good friend in a remote rural location - here is my thread www.abovetopsecret.com... I know what you mean about some witnesses not wanting to discuss it much as that is how my buddy who witnessed it with me came away from the experience. It's something I still ponder these many years later.

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Thank you for sharing this, it's very interesting, you painted a pretty vivid picture of everything you saw.

Was this near Eagle Lake in East Hancock, Maine?

I felt like I was physically humming the sound I was hearing. I could feel it reverberating in my diaphragm. It was loud but not unbearably so, but really my teeth were almost chattering from the vibration.

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This description of the sensations you were experiencing sounds exactly like the full-body vibrations I've felt just before I fall asleep. Either that or I'm actually woken up from it. There is a thread on here about body vibrations during sleep where the general consensus is that the body-vibrations are related in some way to astral travel and OBEs.
If I happen to still be awake (but drifting very, very close to sleep) when it starts it is like a switch. I feel something shift and I know that in a moment the vibrating will start full throttle--and it is a strong, head-to-toe sensation starting from the center of my body and radiating off my spine like heat (actual heat included). At this point, laying in my bed, I get the common feelings of someone watching me and the idea that these vibrations are being done to me (as opposed to my own body doing it itself) is quite strong.
I don't mean to derail the thread. I don't know if it is related. I just wanted to describe it more in case it rings any bells.

intrptr
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Having witnessed something similar, I know exactly what you are talking about. You might actually be (reliving events) and not know it. By the way… what do you dream about?

Then again you seem balanced, maybe the others standing outside were the ones that "went for a ride" whilst you slept? Have you asked them what they dream about?

I have always had crazy dreams. My parents were/are pretty "far out", but down-to-earth, people and when I was growing up they they taught me and my sister how to meditate. Before this encounter I was teaching myself astral projection and stuff, and to this day I, at the very least, have intense lucid dreams every couple nights. Three years or so after my UFO experience I had one VERY realistic dream in which I saw several UFOs. I actually typed it up after it happened while the memory was still fresh; I'll dig it up and post it in the proper forum and put a link to it in here.

I often dream about flying - I have had a recurring dream for years of flying at a 60-75 degree angle through a bright blue sky, weaving between small islands and mountains in the sky with lush green trees and vines. It's not really a dream I induce on purpose, it just happens. There never seems to be a goal; no matter how high I go I never reach anything, but it is such a pleasant dream I never want it to end.

Also, in all of my dreams I am able to jump incomprehensibly high and I can play any instrument PERFECTLY. In real life I can play several instruments at a beginner to intermediate level, but I've only mastered (I hate that word because mastery is an ongoing, never-ending process IMO) a couple. In my dreams I can play any instrument like a virtuoso and it feels so natural - I'm always bummed when I wake up.

One more unrelated thing: just the past year or two I've had this weird thing happen when I'm dreaming where I fall on my side and begin to spin rapidly with my head as the vertex. It ruins a lot of my dreams nowadays. Last weekend me and my boy watched all of the Lord of the RIngs movies (The Hobbit was my favorite book as a kid and he and I read it together a few months ago - pretty good for a three year old to be captivated by old English literature) and in the Fellowship there's a scene where Saruman puts a hurting on Gandalf and then has him on the floor, spinning him around. It's just like that.

It's crazy how short Storys like that can take you away for a while. Even at work.

I visualized everything you wrote.

oldetimehockey4
Was this near Eagle Lake in East Hancock, Maine?

I should've clarified - there is an Eagle Lake in/near Acadia National Park in Bar Harbor. The Eagle Lake mentioned in my post is close the the Canadian border right in the center of the state, northwest of Caribou and east of the Allagash (they don't send school buses up there, that's for sure). I've spent a lot of time in both regions and it's really a testament to how diverse and expansive Maine's wilderness is. Nothing is better than packing up just the bear necessities and heading into the woods to get a break from "it" all, especially after having to be in a city for any extended period of time. I can't fathom living in a New York or LA (or worse yet, Beijing).

awakendhybrid

I felt like I was physically humming the sound I was hearing. I could feel it reverberating in my diaphragm. It was loud but not unbearably so, but really my teeth were almost chattering from the vibration.

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This description of the sensations you were experiencing sounds exactly like the full-body vibrations I've felt just before I fall asleep. Either that or I'm actually woken up from it. There is a thread on here about body vibrations during sleep where the general consensus is that the body-vibrations are related in some way to astral travel and OBEs.
If I happen to still be awake (but drifting very, very close to sleep) when it starts it is like a switch. I feel something shift and I know that in a moment the vibrating will start full throttle--and it is a strong, head-to-toe sensation starting from the center of my body and radiating off my spine like heat (actual heat included). At this point, laying in my bed, I get the common feelings of someone watching me and the idea that these vibrations are being done to me (as opposed to my own body doing it itself) is quite strong.
I don't mean to derail the thread. I don't know if it is related. I just wanted to describe it more in case it rings any bells.

Before this experience I was teaching myself astral projection a little bit, but at that time I hadn't made it past the vibrational stage any more than two times maybe. The vibration I felt that night was similar, but more foreign (if that makes sense). It's really interesting that you say you feel the vibrations are being done to you, I've never looked at it like that. When I am trying to astral project I feel like I am in complete control of the vibrations and I can move them to different areas of my body and control the intensity. That night when I woke up I was not in control. It felt like being in a diesel truck going down the highway, but the pitch of the sound was almost exactly like when I say "hummmm".

cosmikDebris The vibration I felt that night was similar, but more foreign (if that makes sense). It's really interesting that you say you feel the vibrations are being done to you, I've never looked at it like that. When I am trying to astral project I feel like I am in complete control of the vibrations and I can move them to different areas of my body and control the intensity. That night when I woke up I was not in control. It felt like being in a diesel truck going down the highway, but the pitch of the sound was almost exactly like when I say "hummmm".

Yes that is correct, I forgot to mention during my experience the sub level hum that you can feel inside your bones is unmistakable...we were in a heavily wooded area during our sighting and the little animals from the brush awoke and ran as the disc approached us, a few rabbits or squirrels bump into my feet while birds flew past my head all at about 11pm at night. As the disc hovered above us the pulsing sub level humming noise (more like a vibration) was constant and exactly as you describe.

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You sir are surely an advanced example of a true human being. Enjoy reading your stuff. Thanks for the replies.

The Hobbit and subsequent trilogy were also my most favorite devoured literature.

That, Dune and Lensmen… (ever read Hyperion?)


Salute, Carry on…


intrptr

Thank you for a fantastic little read. I pictured everything, you wrote it very well.

Your story does seem to ring true. I'm not the best judge of fact and fiction, but i enjoyed reading it.

Even though i'd be scared out of my boots, i am finding myself very jealous that you were able to experience this!

intrptr
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but for now the best I can say is that it was almost like the starlight that should have been above the object (obscured from our view) was being bent and stretched and was spinning elliptically around the center point of the ellipse, kind of like the hands on an oval shaped clock except the hands were stretched out lines of light of varying brightness. Every so often it was like light was reflected in such a way that you could see the elliptical profile of the object. It seemed to shine and was very obvious that something was there and its shape was clearly defined.

Awesome description, thanks for sharing.

Certain aspects of what I and others saw one night prompt me to say…

Whatever it was it wasn't earth technology and yet… it was technology.

This is an example of what one might expect from actual "warp drive" technology: the optical consequences and appearance of gravitational lensing. For example, the craft might in fact have been physically circular and rotating in actuality but the effect of "warp drive" on space-time metric which affects all of physics, including light propagation, made it appear distorted like an ellipse.

The interaction with quantum mechanics is of course totally unknown, though one could imagine energy dissipation into stimulated or spontaneous emission results in 'glowing' which is also often reported.

Gravitational modification cannot be separated from optical modification in general relativity.

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This is an example of what one might expect from actual "warp drive" technology: the optical consequences and appearance of gravitational lensing. For example, the craft might in fact have been physically circular and rotating in actuality but the effect of "warp drive" on space-time metric which affects all of physics, including light propagation, made it appear distorted like an ellipse.

Outstanding! I would even suggest "time dilation", maybe. What does a "time engine" look like when its idling?

One example is the ripples I see here…

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As a story it's interesting but I don't see how you people expect to be believed, it's too many cases like that with just stories. But since you said you didn't bring cameras and things like phones with cameras that would be more common nowadays, I get your point.

Very interesting story. Can you elaborate on this?

cosmikDebris
Half of us had a good buzz on, but we were mostly saving our energy up for the next couple days of mind-bending.

ImpactoR
As a story it's interesting but I don't see how you people expect to be believed, it's too many cases like that with just stories. But since you said you didn't bring cameras and things like phones with cameras that would be more common nowadays

Being believed isn't of the utmost importance to me - I can't speak for the rest of "we people". Sharing is an effective form of remembrance, and I like putting my memories down. Fortunately this is a place where people are generally receptive. But to your point, you shouldn't trust anything you hear - especially on the WWW. Conversely, being super skeptical of everything would certainly be limiting to oneself.

I think I did have a cell phone at the time, but even today you can't get service up there, and it certainly didn't have a camera.

conundrummer
Very interesting story. Can you elaborate on this?

cosmikDebris
Half of us had a good buzz on, but we were mostly saving our energy up for the next couple days of mind-bending.

A couple of my friends and I worked as many hours as we could during the school year, and then followed a few bands (Max Creek, Phish) around for most of our summers - and we brought home leftovers. I don't think I can elaborate further with the way the filter censors certain acronyms. Your best guess is probably at least partially accurate - and while some report UFOs and other alien things while partaking in those kinds of activities, that was not the case on that night. We did put the "high" in high school, but I've never experienced anything like what happened that night in any altered state.